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Long term bondage - 10/13/2007 2:41:41 AM   
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hi there E/everyone!

Just a quick question.  i am a slave girl seeking new ownership.  Some potential owners (some of who are very appealing) suggest long term bondage would be the norm as their slave (chains, ropes, gags etc.).  my old owner tended not to use bondage too often so i was wondering whether there were slaves or owners out there who could tell me how easy/possible this is.  can a girl really be tied up most of the time?

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RE: Long term bondage - 10/13/2007 3:43:47 AM   
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the longer the rope bondage the higher the possibility of pinched nerves, blood flow stoppage and muscle damage. choose with great care.

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RE: Long term bondage - 10/13/2007 4:24:57 AM   
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When people talk about "long-term bondage," I always wonder who cleans the shit and piss.

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RE: Long term bondage - 10/13/2007 5:05:02 AM   
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I dunno. Doesn't seem to me that a slave who is tied up all the time would be particularly useful.

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RE: Long term bondage - 10/13/2007 5:36:56 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: objecttoown

hi there E/everyone!

Just a quick question.  i am a slave girl seeking new ownership.  Some potential owners (some of who are very appealing) suggest long term bondage would be the norm as their slave (chains, ropes, gags etc.).  my old owner tended not to use bondage too often so i was wondering whether there were slaves or owners out there who could tell me how easy/possible this is.  can a girl really be tied up most of the time?

thank you so much

sophie



There are several things to remember with “long term bondage” (and definitions differ on that term anyway).
 
As mentioned, longer term constriction of movement can be an issue, either by direct pressure causing injury, or by the position used placing undue pressure on joints.  I’ve not heard of anyone suffering DVT (Deep Vein Thrombosis) or other clot issues, but it must presumably happen.  Your Master needs to be experienced and aware enough to be able to deal with any issues that arise.
 
As also mentioned, comfort breaks are a must unless He wants things very messy, which would itself lead to other risks, so regular temporary release is essential.
 
I prefer the term “longer term restraint”, the key with restraint being that it doesn’t have to be through the use of direct pressure devices such as ropes and chains, but instead can involve using things like cages, where your movements are restricted but not totally constricted (unless of course you’re tied to the cage), or my favourite, restraints; I have some lovely restraints made by Fetters, and these are very difficult to get out of, but are also very soft and will not constrict or pinch if applied correctly.  I usually use chains with snap connectors, rather than rope, for 2 reasons; firstly, it means that, if anything were to go wrong, I can release the restraints in a matter of seconds, without having to unpick knots, and secondly it means less time faffing about when the slave needs a comfort break, or I want to move her to a different position. 
 
Using restraints and comfort breaks, I’ve indulged in sessions of restraint lasting up to 3 days, which is about as long as I find entertaining.  Longer than that and, frankly, I tend to get a bit bored with it all and want to do something else – I have a very low boredom threshold.
 
Long term use of invasive gags is another area with significant risks involved; I would never, ever, leave a gag in a girl in a situation where I’m not directly supervising her.  If she were to vomit, she would most likely die, depending on the design of the gag.  Note that my mere presence in the room is not enough, I must be actually, directly observing or monitoring her.  I wouldn’t, for example, gag a girl overnight while we slept.  I do have some mates, a couple, who have TV cameras and microphones for monitoring a subject from another room in the same house, and that would be ok, so long as the picture were clear enough, and the sound loud enough, to ensure I could tell if the girl got into difficulties.  Accidental asphyxiation does happen, so needs to be taken seriously.
 
Whenever someone talks about prolonged, week or longer sessions of pure bondage, without breaks, using ropes and/or chains directly, rather than through restraints, it always makes me think that they’re probably just mouthing off; for a start the mess would be unimaginable, and the health issues the slave would be at risk from would be substantial. 
 
Above all, as someone else said, choose carefully and wisely; the laying on of pain is not the same thing as the causing of injury, or the placing at risk of a slave’s body.  There’s no need to be scared, but there is a need for you to show caution and wisdom in your choices.
 
All the best.

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RE: Long term bondage - 10/13/2007 6:27:01 AM   
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quote:

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When people talk about "long-term bondage," I always wonder who cleans the shit and piss.


Yea, i wonder about that too. i also wonder about who is going to sit and watch them the whole time.

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/law/10/11/bondage.death.ap/index.html  

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RE: Long term bondage - 10/13/2007 6:39:13 AM   
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I agree with the ask and find out what they mean. We will use cuffs or hobbles, or the "chained to the end of the bed" for overnight.  More traditional bondage is too limiting for long term. both for safety as folks have pointed out. But also for service. A tied up sub is pretty to look at but can't get tea or feed the dog or make dinner.

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RE: Long term bondage - 10/13/2007 6:53:55 AM   
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It's quite possible to use harnesses and padded leather restraints for ths sort of thing-they are costly unless you can do the work yourself. The slave can wear the harness almost all of the time. And have it used to bind them at will. I've also done "use" scenes that lasted for quite a while. One can keep the slave immobile with either being catheterized-or diapered. Diapers actually have less infection risk-so long as they don't mess them-and you use skin barriers to prevent rashes-also very humiliating and controlling. A slave definitely feels VERY powerless in such a postion-the Top had best not be easily squicked. Other options are just to make up a small room with a cot and toilet-like a jail cell. Be aware that humans need certain amounts of excercise to remain healthy.

And that rope is STRICTLY short term supervised bondage. And the most dangerous sort that you can use-Cheaper is not alwys better.

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RE: Long term bondage - 10/13/2007 6:58:01 AM   
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Hi Sophie

I wonder what YOU want ?

You say in your profile
"property does not need rights, choices, any freedom, friends, it just needs to be owned."

But you seem pretty lively and articulate to me and apart from the practical and physical problems that other have pointed out, I wonder how you would in reality deal with all that intellectual and emotional deprivation in the long term ? It might be quite exciting for a few hours or weeks but what about months or years ?

And then you have to wonder about a dominant who would want to do that to someone he was involved with. Ownership is one thing but closing someone down to such an extent seems abuse in my book
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RE: Long term bondage - 10/13/2007 7:07:42 AM   
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Not neccesarily dvart. I've had long intellectual conversations with bound girls. Changed thier diapers-and gone right back to it. You can mix a LOT of different things in-if you try.

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RE: Long term bondage - 10/13/2007 7:10:56 AM   
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hi E/everyone and thank you for your posts.

to answer dvart, i am after whatever makes my owner happy.  as for the type of long term bondage it might be i would have to get more details, i'm not sure totally restrained is what they have in mind, it might be chains allowing movement or a cage/cell, i'll have to see.

sophie

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RE: Long term bondage - 10/13/2007 9:00:15 AM   
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I wear semi-permanent ankle shackles  when at home. The chain is removed when I go out  but the anklets are 24/7 and only my Hubby has the tool to remove them. 

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RE: Long term bondage - 10/13/2007 9:11:31 AM   
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Of course your life is your choice, but I really question if you would be REALLY happy to spend the rest of your life chained in a cage. It may be a nice fantasy and actually enjoyable for days at a time, but I really feel that the reality of such a situation long term might be a totally different matter.
In any case if you were my slave, I would want you to be earning money, cleaning the house (naked) and fixing dinner. What you have in mind seems to involve your master slaving away looking after you 24/7. Slaves have to be useful in my opinion, but each to their own.

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RE: Long term bondage - 10/13/2007 9:35:50 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: objecttoown

Just a quick question. i am a slave girl seeking new ownership. Some potential owners (some of who are very appealing) suggest long term bondage would be the norm as their slave (chains, ropes, gags etc.). my old owner tended not to use bondage too often so i was wondering whether there were slaves or owners out there who could tell me how easy/possible this is. can a girl really be tied up most of the time?



In my mind, there certainly are times for cages and binds, but near constant restraint is unhealthy, counterproductive and an eventual nuisance for the Keeper, in fact. If one desires a sex slave, there are many ways of keeping a human animal at the ready without harshly immobilizing them—the most effective path of all being purely psychological.



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RE: Long term bondage - 10/13/2007 12:52:54 PM   
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In my mind, there certainly are times for cages and binds, but near constant restraint is unhealthy, counterproductive and an eventual nuisance for the Keeper, in fact. If one desires a sex slave, there are many ways of keeping a human animal at the ready without harshly immobilizing them—the most effective path of all being purely psychological.



Yes, but that would be control, not bondage. Is not "human animal" redundant, and why not just say "person" instead?

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RE: Long term bondage - 10/13/2007 1:14:46 PM   
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you can do long term bondage for example using diapers and or catheters with saranwrap or ducktap and silk or other things things that do not constrict the flow blood. i have done term latex bondage. takes a lot of mental prep and not have a fear confinement. great for meditation unless your being tortured lol. safty is of the up most in any of this stuff a way to fast release is important to be able to undo something quickly

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RE: Long term bondage - 10/13/2007 1:37:19 PM   
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It's very easy to do. The real question is what kind of long term bondage you are talking about? Depending on the form it can be a comforting thing for a submissive to be in cuffs all the time. As long as the Dom knows what he's doing it shouldn't be a problem. The main thing is if he's talking about full body bondage, shibari, caging those types of bondage require closer attention to the submissive were as just putting a set of padded cuffs on doesn't necessarily require close attention. The bottom line is that you must get a better understanding about what this Dom is proposing then you can decide if you are willing to submit to it.
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RE: Long term bondage - 10/13/2007 2:00:37 PM   
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I'd also not do the diaper thing with someone prone to yeast infections-takes a pretty strong immune systewm to go through that for more than a day or two-and it's a lot of work for the Top.

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RE: Long term bondage - 10/13/2007 2:09:21 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Lordandmaster

When people talk about "long-term bondage," I always wonder who cleans the shit and piss.


maybe they chain them to the commode?

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RE: Long term bondage - 10/13/2007 2:09:54 PM   
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Long Term Bondage is often in the head as in the physical it can be Messy (Potty Times and Bondage BAD) it can be Dangerous  (Twist in a Suspension and you create a Tournequette and end up with nerve damage) and it can be painful (Both Physically and Mentally) when it is a mental restraint or a bondage that is there but not always visual you have the Ciric (Spelling is wrong I think) it is a series of cuffs that can be worn under your clothes or as the only thing you have on. It consists of two anckle cuffs two wrist cuffs and a collar connected with a series of chains on an O ring. All movement is maintained but the person is always restrained it's just a matter of how you feel about that act.

I can respect you desire to be pleasing to the Master and being owned Property but I do hope you take the time and get to know the dangers involved and the risk that you would be taking before agreeing to such activities. more over getting to know the masters skill before agreeing to be his property. Long Term ANYTHING can be dangerous.

Ultimately we are not supposed to be here to judge your personal feeling however that happens from time to time, I would just hate to see someone who has such a desire to serve as you do to be damaged because someone tied her up and walked away because that was what got him off and the girl got hurt because she didn't know what to expect.

Just my two cents in a sea of pocket change

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