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RE: Long term bondage - 10/13/2007 4:49:30 PM

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As others have pointed out - long term needs to be defined. i can say, as a Nursing student, that ppl in hospitals are gotten up and out of bed less than 24 hours after surgery and wear sequential compression devices on their legs when in bed to lessen the risk of a DVT (blod clot in the lower extremities).
Make sure the Dom uses good judgement and safety practices.

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RE: Long term bondage - 10/13/2007 5:39:18 PM

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Do you think most slaves spend their days confined or chained up? I do question if you know what a valued slave is, if you don't know, I would suggest asking in the Ask a sub/slave section   How do most slaves spend their day and what they normally do to please their masters

A good loving master would never purposely do things that may cause permanent harm to their slaves because they consider them valuable property and they care deeply for their slave andthey do not want their slave to be doormats for them they respect their slaves and often encourage learning and self improvemnt, but ones the are stupid/insane would be willing to damage their property as they have no regard for it as something of high value to be treasured , instead view their slaves like dollar store disposable toys no care needs to taken as it is easily replacable , they break it than throw it away, they will never grow to lave and respect their slaves.

Decide whether you want to be viewed as high valued treasure or as disposable dollar store trash then choose your master accordingly.

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RE: Long term bondage - 10/13/2007 5:45:28 PM

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When people talk about "long-term bondage," I always wonder who cleans the shit and piss.

maybe they chain them to the commode?

Having been confined to specific small quarters for an extended period of time, I will say I cleaned up my own mess once released from confinement. In some cases, he was not subjected to the unsightliness or odor because he had gone out. Yes, I could have escaped given a catastrophe, but absent of that, I did not budge.

I would not call it "long term," however, although the term is relative and can mean anything from a couple of hours until.....whenever.

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RE: Long term bondage - 10/13/2007 5:51:58 PM

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Bondage can mean many things. Long-term can mean many things. Ask them to define and give examples of what they are talking about and decide if it's something you want.
Real long term bondage has alot of health risks. If you are looking to play at this level, I would make sure it's with someone that has the knowlege or is willing to get the education prior to play.
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RE: Long term bondage - 10/13/2007 6:20:55 PM

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If one desires a sex slave, there are many ways of keeping a human animal at the ready without harshly immobilizing them—the most effective path of all being purely psychological.

But that would be control, not bondage.

There is bondage and then there is bondage—control being the heart of the latter.

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RE: Long term bondage - 10/13/2007 8:13:40 PM

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I’ve not heard of anyone suffering DVT (Deep Vein Thrombosis) or other clot issues, but it must presumably happen. Your Master needs to be experienced and aware enough to be able to deal with any issues that arise.

I'm glad someone mentioned this. It's always a risk with someone who can't move much. I'm told i will be wearing pressure stockings for a few weeks after my hip surgery to prevent blood clots since i won't be moving a lot, and i will have to spend some time several times a day with my feet elevated higher than my heart.

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RE: Long term bondage - 10/13/2007 8:21:31 PM

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You can maintain bondage while still allowing mobility. Someone is pretty much helpless even with just thier hands incapcitated.

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RE: Long term bondage - 10/13/2007 9:11:12 PM

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Do you think most slaves spend their days confined or chained up? I do question if you know what a valued slave is, if you don't know, I would suggest asking in the Ask a sub/slave section How do most slaves spend their day and what they normally do to please their masters

I have split this up because it was in reply to what I have said, I don't really believe it was directed at me but I felt inclined to answer anyway. Possible I was misunderstood in what I was saying earlier so allow me to clearify.
No I do not believe MOST slaves can be anything most of the time as this is far too diverse a lifestyle for most slaves to be doing any one thing at any one time. I do believe it happens. I know there are complex toys and locking devices made all the time. Hell I saw a time release full mantacle set the other day that used Ice as a time release and I though to myself "In the time it takes ice to melt how many different ways could a person die?" the answer is in the THOUSANDS! but it is sold on BlowFish and was a recomended item in a news letter I got a few months ago. with the tag line for when you want them to stay untill you want them to go.

I value my slave above all other things save my son whom she gave me so even in that I value her more, The point is that not all Masters Value thier slaves and as we see numerouos times in stories of abuse at the hands of careless wanna be masters just assuming that you are valued is NEVER enough. And asking in a Thread is going to offer SO MANY different answers it is hard to determine what is what. I would suggest that the OP ask the person who is interested in what they desire to be done every day and what they find pleasing.

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ORIGINAL: Maya2001

A good loving master would never purposely do things that may cause permanent harm to their slaves because they consider them valuable property and they care deeply for their slave and they do not want their slave to be doormats for them they respect their slaves and often encourage learning and self improvemnt, but ones the are stupid/insane would be willing to damage their property as they have no regard for it as something of high value to be treasured , instead view their slaves like dollar store disposable toys no care needs to taken as it is easily replacable , they break it than throw it away, they will never grow to lave and respect their slaves.

Ahhhh the Hurt vs. Harm debate I love this debate because again we have to determine the definition of Sadist and masochist. I am going to make a HUGE debate very small here and so to all the readers please don't take what I am saying LITERALLY because there isn't enough space on the net for me to go in circles on this it is simply a thought process and not an exact science. Sadism is considered a Mental Illness under the DSMIV and in that it is due to the definition. A Sadist derives pleasure from the act of inflicting pain. It does not say they require thier target to be a Masochist and thuss a Sadist by definition does not care if they are hurting or harming thier target. SO a Proper Master who cares about his slave and calls himself a Sadist is applying a title with a modified definition as Most Sadists I have met will tell you they get no pleasure out of Maiming thier slave but under the previous definition you have no idea how sick the bastard is untill it is too late.

I agree that a Master worth his salt is not a Sadistic Bastard and takes pleasure in stunting the emotional growth of thier slave. BUT for the purpose of what was said I have to say I know they are out there and I know that women have fallen prey to them and lost thier lives because of it. I hope I don't have to remind anyone of the 55 gallon drum deal with a person calling themselves SlaveMaster. I am not saying every slave should assume she is getting a Master like this but it is never a bad idea to be cautious untill you are sure.

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ORIGINAL: Maya2001

Decide whether you want to be viewed as high valued treasure or as disposable dollar store trash then choose your master accordingly.

And finally This is exactly what I said in the second paragraph so I am glad that we are on the same page.

I again am also sure that you post was not directed directly at me but I wanted to address it anyway.

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RE: Long term bondage - 10/13/2007 9:22:08 PM

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Into fear play, are you?

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RE: Long term bondage - 10/13/2007 9:30:35 PM

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Okay I must be retarded.

I didn't get that.

If you wouldn't mind please draw me a Map and give me directions cxause I am completely lost.

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RE: Long term bondage - 10/13/2007 9:36:16 PM

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ORIGINAL: SteelofUtah

Okay I must be retarded.

I didn't get that.

If you wouldn't mind please draw me a Map and give me directions cxause I am completely lost.

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Out of all of the thousands of kinky sex acts going on every day-what percentage do you suppose go as wrong as a slavemaster scenartio?

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RE: Long term bondage - 10/14/2007 1:28:32 AM

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ORIGINAL: DCroommateA tied up sub is pretty to look at but can't get tea or feed the dog or make dinner.

That quite depends on your creative skills in rope bondage. Not all bondage restricts all movement and service, there's more in life than hogties and suspensions. I can think of quite a few japanese style bondages specifically meant to humiliate by making service more difficult or embarassing but not impossible. The same holds for going to the toilet. I can think of quite a few bondages that allow for peeing directly or by untying just one rope. Such bondages are also fairly well suited to longer term bondage. More difficult to overcome is the need to watch. For those who work, well, we can't check on our subbies 24/7, so there's a practical limitation.

That said, I do agree with the safety folks that long term bondage increases the risks substantially. Personally, I think I could have a partner in bondage for the better part of a day or perhaps two but that would include substantial variation in bondages and positions, and I would probably untie her for the night.

So, yes, I think long term bondage is possible in certain ways, but indeed, make sure your rope top is good at what he's doing, and there's not that many of them out there.

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RE: Long term bondage - 10/14/2007 7:16:43 AM

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ORIGINAL: Guilty1974

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ORIGINAL: DCroommateA tied up sub is pretty to look at but can't get tea or feed the dog or make dinner.

That quite depends on your creative skills in rope bondage. Not all bondage restricts all movement and service, there's more in life than hogties and suspensions. I can think of quite a few japanese style bondages specifically meant to humiliate by making service more difficult or embarassing but not impossible. The same holds for going to the toilet. I can think of quite a few bondages that allow for peeing directly or by untying just one rope. Such bondages are also fairly well suited to longer term bondage. More difficult to overcome is the need to watch. For those who work, well, we can't check on our subbies 24/7, so there's a practical limitation.

That said, I do agree with the safety folks that long term bondage increases the risks substantially. Personally, I think I could have a partner in bondage for the better part of a day or perhaps two but that would include substantial variation in bondages and positions, and I would probably untie her for the night.

So, yes, I think long term bondage is possible in certain ways, but indeed, make sure your rope top is good at what he's doing, and there's not that many of them out there.

Or just don't use rope, use leather and chains instead.

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RE: Long term bondage - 10/14/2007 8:07:02 AM

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There are many girls who wear simple stainless steel eternity collars, locked on her neck; they are subtle enough to pass as jewelry so the girl can wear it 24/7; while not "bondage, the constant feel of it is pleasingly reassuring to the girl, serving to remind her of her enslavement.
Others wear corsets for extended periods, sometimes 16 hours a day- and done properly, it can be a safe and comforting feel of security and constriction.
Other girls wear hobbles, cuffs, posture collars or chastity belts sometimes for hours on end, some have cages they curl up in to read, rest or meditate, all offering the same sense of being owned, confined, restricted;
I think the point here is that yes, long term bondage is possible, but the longer the term, the less restrictive it should be.
The bigger point in My view is boredom- in the throes of erotic arousal, being caged, shackled, spread and plugged 24/7 probably sounds wildly erotic; but aside from the medical and practical issues others have raised, I think the reason you don't see more of it is that any sexual kink gets boring pretty quickly once the orgasm fades.

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RE: Long term bondage - 10/14/2007 8:25:13 AM

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For me, the whole bondage thing is a bedroom affair so long-term would be for a few hours. I suspect in your case, as others have noted, long-term could indicate either the subtle trappings such as wearing a body chain and pussy bell under your clothing - or long'er term - such as being chained to a bedpost after a wondrous session with your Master in bed and left there while he showers and cleans up for the next round a few hours later (Ok ... so I'm not as young as I used to be ... it's not within minutes anymore!) ... or ... long term can mean just what it implies - days. (Oh my. ... not my schtick!). I'll leave the experience for day-long overt bondage (not just a collar or tittie clamp) for others to expound upon. Good luck!
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RE: Long term bondage - 10/14/2007 9:02:31 AM

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Sorry Steelof Utah I tend to use the fast reply box when adding comments to the post, and the system here seems to picks it's own "in reply to" , so my comments were not directed to you but meant for the OP, I would hate to see someone get into deeper water than they are ready to swim in , or assume some of the requests/activities mentioned to her are the norm for slaves, the person is new here and I have no idea of their level of experience but the question leads me to suspect they are new to the lifestyle if so it is often a time when many make some pretty critical mistakes in their excitement to be part of the lifestyle

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RE: Long term bondage - 10/14/2007 9:05:31 AM

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There are forms of long term bondage that can be worked into everyday life: rope harness dresses that can be hidden under clothing, wearing cuffs with chains that are just long enough to not permit full movement, etc. These sorts of arrangements are really for giving the sub/slave a constant reminder of their status, rather than to restrict their movements entirely. If this is what the OP's dominant is talking about, I really don't see a problem with that sort of play... but, if they are thinking that they can pull some sort of "Sleeping Beauty" style scene, where subs are put into extreme restraint for days on end, then obviously they have a warped sense of reality.

Besides, bondage scenes are really done for the sub's benefit. As a Dom, I've never gotten much out of turning my playmates into an ottoman or a decorative wall hanging.

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RE: Long term bondage - 10/14/2007 9:33:48 AM

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Out of all of the thousands of kinky sex acts going on every day-what percentage do you suppose go as wrong as a slavemaster scenartio?

Very few of course. Does that mean you should ignore it as a possibility? The little Boy who cried wolf was eaten by one remember?

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RE: Long term bondage - 10/14/2007 9:36:41 AM

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For me, the whole bondage thing is a bedroom affair so long-term would be for a few hours. I suspect in your case, as others have noted, long-term could indicate either the subtle trappings such as wearing a body chain and pussy bell under your clothing - or long'er term - such as being chained to a bedpost after a wondrous session with your Master in bed and left there while he showers and cleans up for the next round a few hours later (Ok ... so I'm not as young as I used to be ... it's not within minutes anymore!) ... or ... long term can mean just what it implies - days. (Oh my. ... not my schtick!). I'll leave the experience for day-long overt bondage (not just a collar or tittie clamp) for others to expound upon. Good luck!
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You have hit the perverbial nail right on the head, and described me perfectly it would seem we agree.

I'm 27 it doesn't take me Minuets either don't feel bad.

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RE: Long term bondage - 10/14/2007 9:42:24 AM

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Sorry Steelof Utah I tend to use the fast reply box when adding comments to the post, and the system here seems to picks it's own "in reply to" , so my comments were not directed to you but meant for the OP, I would hate to see someone get into deeper water than they are ready to swim in , or assume some of the requests/activities mentioned to her are the norm for slaves, the person is new here and I have no idea of their level of experience but the question leads me to suspect they are new to the lifestyle if so it is often a time when many make some pretty critical mistakes in their excitement to be part of the lifestyle

Thank you for that although it was unnecessary I appreciate that you said it.

I Agree with EVERYTHING you said, in the beginning I made so many mistakes it is at times painful to go back and remember the stupid things I did. One strange thing about making those mistakes it that they helped to mold me into what I am today. I HATE to see anyone get hurt but if it is going to happen I just hope that something is learned from it.

I offer sound advice from my POV all the time and a lot of times I am berated for it because some people think I am advocating doing certain things and in a way I am. How can you grow if you never really learn.

In this case there is the possibility for people to get hurt so I offer a warning and hope it is heeded cause if it is not things can get ugly, Death is a rare occurance but it HAS Happened so I hope people remember that before the start tying knots and planning a road trip.

Again Thank you for your posts I have enjoyed them.

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