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RE: Sub Space (anyone truely understand it?) - 9/25/2007 2:52:07 PM   
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If the Creator had intended for you to mess up your brain he would have made sure that one of those plants took root in it before you were born.

 
Yes and if this Creator would want you to eat he would also have meat manifesting itself in your stomach and wheat growing out your ass.
 
Edited to add: Oh yeah, and if this Creator wanted you to drink you'd have a recirculating pump running from your urethra to your mouth.

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RE: Sub Space (anyone truely understand it?) - 9/25/2007 2:57:17 PM   
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Status: offline 		No no, clearly the "creator" INTENDS on me experiencing blinding pain and vomiting when I have migraines.  And clearly I SHOULD have been conscious for all those ear surgeries I had when I was a kid.

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RE: Sub Space (anyone truely understand it?) - 9/25/2007 3:41:17 PM   
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ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross
No no, clearly the "creator" INTENDS on me experiencing blinding pain and vomiting when I have migraines.  And clearly I SHOULD have been conscious for all those ear surgeries I had when I was a kid.


God must hate you because I don't get any of that and I don't even prey. 

The stuff people smoke these days in the UK is stronger than the old stuff and it has been linked to schizophrenia in young people.

The other common argument is that smoking it is less harmful than normal cigarettes because of all the other shit they put in those. Mostly this is based on statistical analysis but the question you have to ask yourself is; how many people with lung cancer admit to smoking marijuana in these studies?

I think everything in moderation is probably ok but we’ve also seen what it ultimately does to those that over do it. They may as well be zombies because they stopped being coherent a long time ago; you can’t say the same thing about long term alcohol abuse. There is an obvious change that occurs in the brains of people that abuse soft drugs where as with alcohol and cigarettes only your body gets fucked up.

Then there is the whole medical benefits of it discussion…

I say sorry that this post had nothing to do with subspace but I havn't been there yet because the damn waiting list is so long.

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RE: Sub Space (anyone truely understand it?) - 9/25/2007 3:44:14 PM   
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RE: Sub Space (anyone truely understand it?) - 9/25/2007 4:17:58 PM   
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They may as well be zombies because they stopped being coherent a long time ago; you can’t say the same thing about long term alcohol abuse.


Prey(sic)-tell you don't really believe that do you?

No long term effect? Ever heard of the DT's?
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Wernicke is the preliminary stage of the Korsakoff syndrome; in this stage the disease can be cured by healthy living and by stopping alcohol abuse before it turns into the more serious Korsakoff syndrome.
Korsakoff is a permanent brain disorder caused by chronic alcohol abuse. Particularly, chronic alcohol abuse and a lack of vitamin B lead to the Korsakoff syndrome. Most Korsakoff patients have a history of 20 to 30 years of severe alcohol abuse. It is an ongoing process of increased memory disorders and neglect. Source: http://web4health.info/en/answers/add-alcohol-wernkors.htm 


Here's a challenge, find anything similar to this regarding marijuana: 
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Alcohol can be a dangerous drug. Drinking too much too often will cause physical damage, increase the risk of getting some diseases, and make other diseases worse. Excessive drinking over time is associated with:
  • hepatitis and cirrhosis of the liver
  • gastritis (inflammation of the stomach lining) or pancreatitis (inflammation of the pancreas)
  • high blood pressure (which can lead to stroke)
  • certain types of cancer, including mouth and throat
  • damage to the brain
  • heart failure
  • neurological problems such as epilepsy
  • certain types of vitamin deficiency

Excessive drinking has also been linked to:

  • obesity
  • sexual problems
  • infertility
  • muscle disease
  • skin problems

Source: http://hcd2.bupa.co.uk/fact_sheets/Mosby_factsheets/alcohol_abuse.html 


All drugs have effects. Don't be deluded that because something is "legal" is it okay to use or won't harm you. Aspirin can kill you. Liver damage can result from many of its alternatives. Some "illegal" drugs and/or activities became that way for political reasons. With marijuana its very nature as a "weed" makes it easy to grow at home and therefore an enemy of any government looking to tax it. If the various alcohol related mind altering "drugs" were so easy to make or grow at home and therefor difficult to tax they, most likely, would be illegal too.

Definitely not on topic to the OP but misinformation, such as alcohol not creating zombies through long term use/abuse needs to be addressed.

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RE: Sub Space (anyone truely understand it?) - 9/25/2007 5:56:59 PM   
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For a few weeks try getting enough sleep, eating a balanced diet, take at least a multi-vitamin, and get a little excersise. A lot of people lead very unhealthy lifestyles and then when feeling poorly wonder what is wrong. If after a few weeks you still feel the way you are feeling you should see a doctor. If you hadn't had a physical in a while schedule one and mention what you are experiencing. You only get one body in life, and health is nothing to squander. It's very sad to have otherwise healthy people waste their fortune by being careless when there are people suffering from medical conditions that thye have no control over.

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RE: Sub Space (anyone truely understand it?) - 9/25/2007 5:59:27 PM   
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RE: Sub Space (anyone truely understand it?) - 9/25/2007 7:22:23 PM   
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Status: offline 		ok for all you liberals who are for the drug thing I have to say this. get over it. I heard on the news about some father that killed his 3 year old kid and blamed it on the drugs wtf. If drugs make ya do things then yeah  I would say bad bad bad. this could get interesting. that excuse of drugs made me do it.  I would say if that is a true fact all you people that said drugs do not affect what person dose like pot and stuff yep educated stupid go figrue

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RE: Sub Space (anyone truely understand it?) - 9/26/2007 7:25:47 AM   
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ORIGINAL: highrider774

I've had this problem dealing with things lately. I'm submissive, every so often I'll get to where I can't respond around friends or family with a clear head sometimes. I don't know how to respond, or I just won't respond. This happens every so often. (used to be more frequent) I dunno if this is due to sub-space, or maybe it relates to something else.

Well, if it used to happen more frequently, then why are you suspecting subspace as the cause?  Maybe there is some other reason that you are having a problem dealing with things.  Are you usually around friends and family when you go into subspace or soon after? 
 
If this is an issue that is really causing you a lot of concern, there are kink-friendly counselors and therapists that you can talk with.  There are any number of variables that can have an effect on how we communicate and only you know what those particular variables happen to be, in your case.  Talking with a professional counselor can help you sort those things out and maybe get to the root of this issue, for you.
 
This link will give you a listing of kink-friendly professionals.  You can click on your state or nationwide or internet. 
http://www.ncsfreedom.org/index.php?option=com_wrapper&Itemid=75

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I do smoke pot, and there were times when it would affect me like this, I'd get "high" and then I'd feel out of it. atleast I thought it would affect me like this. I'm still unsure. There's other times though where it doesn't happen that way, I'm completely fine and can control myself under the influence. 

Getting high can effect you differently each time.  For one thing, the quality of the pot you're smoking can be different each time.  There are other factors that can cause a change in how you feel when you get high, too.  i've used pot, recreationally, over the years, and have known plenty of pot smokers and 'pot heads' and even one man who was as close to being a 'pot addict' as i've ever seen, and none of us seemed to have any problem communicating and functioning, when we needed to.  In fact, smoking pot usually makes me become a 'chatterbox' and a 'giggle bug' but, again, different people get different effects.  If you think your pot smoking might be causing you some problems with your ability to communicate with people, you might want to seek some counseling for it.  www.addictionrecoveryguide.com

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I'll get sucked into a submissive role, and I still get the feeling of being out of it. Not feeling like myself, not feeling like I'm in my body

i get a nearly out-of-body experience when i go deeply into subspace but, it doesn't take a long time to be functional again and coherent and able to communicate with others. 
 
i don't really know what you mean by getting "sucked into a submissive role", though.  Are you not a willing participant?  Are you trying to fight it and not be in a "submissive role?"  Are you being taken into a "submissive role" against your will? 

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Does sub space or can sub space last a while, and can it affect me feeling "out of it" around friends family and just in general with myself?

The feeling of being in subspace and how long the effect lasts is different for each person and, in my case, is different with each experience.  Kind of like how the effects of getting high is different for different people and can be different with each experience. 

People can "zone out" for all kinds of reasons.  i have zoned out, just by really focusing and concentrating on something that i'm doing or, simply daydreaming out the kitchen window, while i'm doing dishes.  But, i snap out of it quickly, too.  Again, if this is something that is causing you concern, talking to a professional might be a good idea. 

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if it can, is sub space really a good thing then? is there a way to come "up" faster, is there a certain amount of time that it should take, because the feeling can last for up to 3-6 hours sometimes, and it really affects me throughout my vanilla life.
Thank you for any insight.

i haven't had any ill effects caused by "subspace" and i really enjoy it but, then again i don't stay in an altered state for 3-6 hours afterward.  i may still feel a nice "buzz" for a few hours, even a couple of days, after, but not to the point where i find it difficult to function or communicate.  Everyone's different, though, and if it's causing you concern, then i would think that speaking with a trained, kink-friendly, therapist or counselor might be a good idea.
 
Hope things get better for you.
 
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RE: Sub Space (anyone truely understand it?) - 9/26/2007 7:50:41 AM   
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Prey(sic)-tell you don't really believe that do you?

No long term effect? Ever heard of the DT's?


Great post, Mercnbeth!
Not to belabor the point.. but:)....... one can NOT ignore the insidious effects of alcohol and/drugs on the brain. I have been amazed time and time again, when in the hospital, a very respectable elderly person who is in for surgery, or other condition requiring a prolonged hospital stay, suddenly begins to experience agitation and confusion. After questioning, it is discovered that the client is undergoing DTs. Client and family are in shock, as client is NOT an alcoholic. How can that be? “Oh well.. he only has wine with dinner every nite, and a shot of brandy before bed.” Surely not an alcoholic, but that innocent drink taken daily over the course of years, will be missed by the body when it’s deprived of it!~

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RE: Sub Space (anyone truely understand it?) - 9/26/2007 12:28:20 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth
Here's a challenge, find anything similar to this regarding marijuana: 
quote:

Alcohol can be a dangerous drug. Drinking too much too often will cause physical damage, increase the risk of getting some diseases, and make other diseases worse. Excessive drinking over time is associated with:
  • hepatitis and cirrhosis of the liver
  • gastritis (inflammation of the stomach lining) or pancreatitis (inflammation of the pancreas)
  • high blood pressure (which can lead to stroke)
  • certain types of cancer, including mouth and throat
  • damage to the brain
  • heart failure
  • neurological problems such as epilepsy
  • certain types of vitamin deficiency

Excessive drinking has also been linked to:

  • obesity
  • sexual problems
  • infertility
  • muscle disease
  • skin problems


Source: http://hcd2.bupa.co.uk/fact_sheets/Mosby_factsheets/alcohol_abuse.html 


All drugs have effects. Don't be deluded that because something is "legal" is it okay to use or won't harm you. Aspirin can kill you. Liver damage can result from many of its alternatives. Some "illegal" drugs and/or activities became that way for political reasons. With marijuana its very nature as a "weed" makes it easy to grow at home and therefore an enemy of any government looking to tax it. If the various alcohol related mind altering "drugs" were so easy to make or grow at home and therefor difficult to tax they, most likely, would be illegal too.

Definitely not on topic to the OP but misinformation, such as alcohol not creating zombies through long term use/abuse needs to be addressed.


You know I won’t; not because there probably aren’t risks but because there aren’t known risks. Maybe this is an argument for legalisation so that more research can be done into the long term effects of drug abuse. As long as there is stigma attached to using drugs there will never be accurate enough research into the long term effects of drug use.

I suppose what I was originally getting at is more the unknowns of drug abuse as apposed to the known risks of alcohol abuse. It’s odd so many people say it harmless when we know so little about it. I take your point about Korsakoff syndrome.

Now back to subspace: is it found in the cupboard?


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RE: Sub Space (anyone truely understand it?) - 9/26/2007 1:05:48 PM   
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You know I won’t; not because there probably aren’t risks but because there aren’t known risks. Maybe this is an argument for legalization so that more research can be done into the long term effects of drug abuse. As long as there is stigma attached to using drugs there will never be accurate enough research into the long term effects of drug use.

I suppose what I was originally getting at is more the unknowns of drug abuse as apposed to the known risks of alcohol abuse. It’s odd so many people say it harmless when we know so little about it. I take your point about Korsakoff syndrome.

FC,
Don't you find it curious that there are more studies and fact based reasons for making one 'vice' illegal which is legal than there is on another 'vice' which has, for the most part, been illegal? There are similar studies and results for heroin, cocaine, and many other illegal drugs and prescription drugs. The fact that something is "illegal" doesn't prevent it from being studied. All the studies are and have been conducted recently. If a similar situation existed and could be pointed to regarding marijuana, what makes you think it wouldn't be there and published?

"Stigma" is another issue. However if what people think effected what I do or what I approve of - CM would be the last place you'd find me. I don't find it "odd" that so many people say its "harmless". I find it odd that more people don't question the hypocrisy of the legality of one drug over another because of the government's ability to tax one and not the other.

However - no use beating that dead horse's bones to dust.
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Now back to subspace: is it found in the cupboard?
It is if that's where the 'toys' are kept.

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RE: Sub Space (anyone truely understand it?) - 9/26/2007 1:28:47 PM   
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Status: offline 		I think you could argue that stigma plays a big part in research results. Unless you feel that middleclass people that take drugs usually agree to be in these studies. What I tend to find is that the studies that are conducted for illegal drug use are limited to those subjects that are on the bottom run of the ladder. The problem with that is other social and economic factors play a part in these peoples health. Therefore you will always get people arguing that they have this mental illness or medical condition because of their overall lifestyle and not just limited to them taking drugs. If there was a study including people from all social backgrounds it would more clearly determine if drug use played a part in a particular medical condition or not. Maybe these studies exist and I’ve not seen them I don’t know. We’d have to look to nations that have legalised drug use but even then there is still the stigma attached that prevents all people from taking part in studies.

I think governments would ban all vices if they could but obviously they would loose out on tax and it would be impossible to enforce. The inconsistency that you highlight is the result of governments trying to cut off the thin end of the wedge. Most politicians will admit to the law being a mess in this area but they just don’t want to allow more unknowns into society.

Subspace: under the floorboards?

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