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RE: Sub Space (anyone truely understand it?) - 9/24/2007 4:43:45 PM

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ORIGINAL: e01n

ASCs are ASCs... induced by external chemicals (THC) or internal ones (Endorphins and Antibradykinins).

When you can't control going into an ASC, you're not able to function normally around others not in an ASC as well. Not a good limitation to have. Tends to cheapen the whole thing more than a bit.

Personally, this is why I tend to be choosy about my play partners and "fellow mystics"... Ask me to take you into an ASC, and I want to make sure you know what you're asking for. This isn't about pot or drugs - this includes BDSM and deep isophephos and ritual magick.

obvious really coming from an emotionally unavailable human being as your profile states states.......

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RE: Sub Space (anyone truely understand it?) - 9/24/2007 4:47:22 PM

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When one starts playing with trance spaces, it becomes fairly easy to slip from one into another or to slip into them at other times.

You can slip me a sub space any day darlin.....
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RE: Sub Space (anyone truely understand it?) - 9/24/2007 5:28:59 PM

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Smoking pot can make you feel out of it pretty well. And paranoiac. Be careful with that.

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RE: Sub Space (anyone truely understand it?) - 9/24/2007 6:31:22 PM

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ORIGINAL: Prinsexx

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ASCs are ASCs...

obvious really coming from an emotionally unavailable human being as your profile states states.......

I am also known as Mr. Obvious for that very reason...

Re: my emotional unavailability - it's much more pointed and specific than the surface statement. Those who wish to know, know. Those who choose to deal only with surfaces have a valid one to deal with. Everyone's happy and the mirror stays intact...

Then again, as has been expressed in another form (and language, phonetically):
Ma pratisi kolia navadigi, selig quanisi gon. Hua na vetha seg GOVENTAZ dol po.
Beria merkrth, so i rana, vetha keisa leta meru. Kolemn. Kethar sefi roni, Quesar lothi na veit kolia.
Betha re i vah ma the zon, ke it do le. Gavana, dire kiti meg le sik kore; Na vai. Thero saka setia le paia seki sathajia.
Mer doi na van sej keti, beria vethi. Ramzakal no i a sevi late zar. PERIO da sajin sekun. Doria da sai vethik lama ran methik coi Necun. Per sak sal.
Boru metha goii me tha la ke varunn, metha fetha keiin sel na va KATI re vaunn set.
Therkes da vei nala Zax periodon. Thata rami, keta sa sek vetha quati zel berathi keiin. Do rati ve nonta ri ve ogg sa vekti lavi Ni Ni me onto rama i sevi kesar ka del o seki norotauni. Pe o ka za Ni vethi ra ta quasar. Te i pe ona terio la KETI. Thedit PeNi, raki o ve lasa.
Pena, reti keon tara leane sefi keta ra te ti. Peja naka theri ve naki theja mopolosa theri. Tik tan-tika lef ti ra netika. Sa i on. Pe rati fek karjja seg olon. Fetik sevia na heria fek tarja ketholon teria kothon sak krajin.
PERIAK

<pot far from necessary to discern the meaning thereof...>

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RE: Sub Space (anyone truely understand it?) - 9/24/2007 8:31:57 PM

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I agree with you that pot smoking is a big issue here. any kind of drug, alcoholic beverage, or any other substence will bring you into a "hi" , but it needs much more then that to go into "sub-space".
Subs that are stating that they are going into a state of "sub-space" over the chat room , without having some kind of a relationship with the dom , for me it seems like everyday male horniness.
As a dom I brought my subs into my "sub-space" trough different ways. some times very come and quiet , in a meditation like mode , and some in a more phisical, hardcore bdsm.
It really has to do with who your partner is. I only had bdsm play with partners I knew very well , and most times we had some kind of a romantis relations.
For me , "sub-space" is a form of state of mind in a time frame when a sub is under a dom, and both are bringing them selfs into an orgazem of different senses through bdsm play.
So my advide to you is :
1. Lay off the POT, it only messes with your brain.
2. Find love , and start reaching climex of true "hi" through that.
3. Get to know a partner for bdsm play , that will understand you , and could bring you into "sub-space" , that is a fruit of caring , from a dom to her sub.

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RE: Sub Space (anyone truely understand it?) - 9/24/2007 8:38:13 PM

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Though I rarely, rarely smoke weed...I would take a solid person that smokes a ton of weed over the majority of the people who post on CM totally sober.

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RE: Sub Space (anyone truely understand it?) - 9/24/2007 10:04:32 PM

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Endorphins are a natural opiate that dulls pain.

Any drug you indulge in too much does one of two things..

Leads to physical and or mental dependence.

Creates tolerance-meaning you need more over time.

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RE: Sub Space (anyone truely understand it?) - 9/24/2007 10:14:35 PM

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Dude, where's my car?

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RE: Sub Space (anyone truely understand it?) - 9/24/2007 10:15:59 PM

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Dude, where's my car?

chia* (the pet)

Lol i was expecting this post to be all glowy and subspacey..and it's all technical and confusing...then chia steps in and as usual makes it funny. I love that plant, pet, animal chia thing!

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RE: Sub Space (anyone truely understand it?) - 9/25/2007 12:59:22 AM

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ORIGINAL: e01n

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ORIGINAL: e01n
ASCs are ASCs...

obvious really coming from an emotionally unavailable human being as your profile states states.......

I am also known as Mr. Obvious for that very reason...

Re: my emotional unavailability - it's much more pointed and specific than the surface statement. Those who wish to know, know. Those who choose to deal only with surfaces have a valid one to deal with. Everyone's happy and the mirror stays intact...

Then again, as has been expressed in another form (and language, phonetically):
Ma pratisi kolia navadigi, selig quanisi gon.

Just ss long as you are speaking in tongues I understand what you are talking about.

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RE: Sub Space (anyone truely understand it?) - 9/25/2007 2:36:01 AM

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Sounds like dissociative state to me. Stop relying on pot to separate you from the things in your life that cause you pain. Get Cognitive Behavioral Therapy and learn effective ways to address problems instead.

Nowhere is it written that submissives cannot be in control of themselves.

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RE: Sub Space (anyone truely understand it?) - 9/25/2007 5:38:26 AM

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I have experienced a number of different kinds of trance states as I guess I tend to like that sort of thing. As an artist I will enter a trance state when really into my work. I have also experienced them as part of rituals and ceremonies and also as part of therapy/counseling and as sub space. I've also experienced dissociative states due to depression. I have to say that what you describe sounds like the latter. I also have to admit that when I experienced it, there was pot involved too. I think you probably need to quit. It's not just party fun any more, it's starting to mess things up.

There are a few exercises you can do to help "ground" yourself when you feel this way. If you can, take off your shoes and put your bare feet flat on the ground. (dirt even better) Breath deeply and imagine feeling the solid stable ground under your feet. If possible put hands flat on the ground too. Eat something, especially protien, and drink lot's of water.

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RE: Sub Space (anyone truely understand it?) - 9/25/2007 6:51:25 AM

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**fast reply**
Is it possible that this could be related to a clinical depression? I have experienced this as well, and still occasionally feel the same way, but mine was a form of lethargy related to depression. I felt like things were happening around me that I wasn't a part of, just an invisible spectator, even if people were trying to engage me I felt like I was wasn't really there and was not compelled to respond in any way. Smoking pot also can produce similar affects, as at least one of the strains is a known CNS depressent, hence the feeling we have come to know as couch-lock... same dif. But it sounds like you experience this independantly from your consumption of pot, and independantly from your submissiveness... in my opinion, while it may be a contributing factor sometimes, I don't think either is the base cause of your problem. All I know is if it doesn't walk like a duck and doesn't talk like a duck... you might want to take your duck to a psychologist and see what's going on

I also have never experienced subspace... however what you describe here is referred to in medical terms as dissassociation. It is very common in people with anxiety, clinical depression, and yes, with drug use. When experiencing it, one is said to be in a dissociative state. I have experienced that.. its aweful. So.. I hope that isnt what subspace is like

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RE: Sub Space (anyone truely understand it?) - 9/25/2007 8:29:44 AM

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I agree with whomever said it sounds like your smoking to much pot. I think you need quit smoking pot, and also not play with anyone for a while. Give your body time to adjust. Keep in mind that pot can become addictive overtime. I am basically ok with someone smoking pot, but only under controlled circumstances, like no more then once a month. And e10n I am curious about your ritual magick interests......maybe chat about it sometime?:)

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RE: Sub Space (anyone truely understand it?) - 9/25/2007 8:33:38 AM

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cold water has helped me ground. if I am somewhere where I don't have access water or anything else, I close my eyes, and pretend that I am tree, that is sending it's roots deep in the ground, for balance, stability. It may sound alittle silly to you, but it has worked for me.

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RE: Sub Space (anyone truely understand it?) - 9/25/2007 8:48:59 AM

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I cannot speak for Pot... never having felt the need to do illegal drugs, but I can say that the endorphin rush of subspace is real and very addictive. I have experienced good and bad trips on it, and find that it can be very extreme especially when prolonged. I am learning through practice the different levels, semi concious to non functional, and find that it, like hypnosis can deepen an experience.

Master is talented when it comes to using both, and I am becoming a great fan of the "mind fuck". When done with the proper care and concern these tools can make a great addition to a Dom's toybag... and they don't take much room. I am grateful, being the one carrying said toybag.

I have learned that in our play at least, these two things do intermingle, hypnosis taking me to an altered state just as the endorphin overload of subspace does. Master makes use of this, using this time to reinforce feelings and instructions. I would definately advise finding someone you trust with your very life before approaching this realm, but once it works it is simply incredible!!

Best wishes.

Master's girl- joy

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RE: Sub Space (anyone truely understand it?) - 9/25/2007 9:46:25 AM

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Thank you for posting this question. i think i was in subspace, but only my Dom told me i was. This was during a hard spanking and i didn't really feel anything after the 3rd stroke of the cane. i felt something but it did not affect me in anyway, espcially afterwards. But i don't know.

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RE: Sub Space (anyone truely understand it?) - 9/25/2007 10:23:39 AM

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I cannot speak for Pot... never having felt the need to do illegal drugs...

#1. No-one can speak for "pot". the only people who can LEGITIMATELY relate their experience with pot can only speak as to how it affects THEM---and it doesn't affect everyone the same...just like aspirin, subspace or a phone ringing in the middle of the night.

#2. if you live in the Great State of Colorado, as your profile states, the voters of your state changed your state constitution in the year 2000 with Ammendment 20, which effectively legalized marijuana for medicinal purposes.

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RE: Sub Space (anyone truely understand it?) - 9/25/2007 1:20:32 PM

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Hi
It seems a lot of people label subspace as a single area of space.
The super high of extreme endorphins. That during / after effect called "flying". I'd def say that is subspace and what most people talk about when they discuss it.
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Q: Is there any other type subspace? Yes. For me, yes. That zone where you are focusing intensensely - and may feel slightly out of it - yet hyper aware of every nuance of the dominant. You may be riding in a car, talking with them..anything. Its a buzz of sorts...

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RE: Sub Space (anyone truely understand it?) - 9/25/2007 2:49:24 PM

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I'm submissive, every so often I'll get to where I can't respond around friends or family with a clear head sometimes. I don't know how to respond, or I just won't respond.

Others have suggested a depression and I tend to agree. Not to worry as this, according to my model of the mind of a sub, is a normal condition.

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This happens every so often. (used to be more frequent) I dunno if this is due to sub-space, or maybe it relates to something else.

I have no knowledge of subspace, but I gather that it is endorphin related. So I expect that may not apply in your case.

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I do smoke pot

Please do not mess up your brain. If the Creator had intended for you to mess up your brain he would have made sure that one of those plants took root in it before you were born.

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I'll get sucked into a submissive role, and I still get the feeling of being out of it. Not feeling like myself, not feeling like I'm in my body

Hm. Not what I expect according to my model; it may be wrong. Perhaps I should ask you some questions by email.

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