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RE: How much do a partner's looks, brains, or wealth a... - 9/21/2007 6:14:11 PM   
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submittious: I appreciate the reply a lot.

ddthrill: It all depends on your perspective, and what you seek in a D/s relationship. For some people, it's very different than seeking a romantic partner only, even if it's D/s romance.

For some, romance doesn't enter into it at all. And even if it does, it's outweighed by other considerations. 

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RE: How much do a partner's looks, brains, or wealth a... - 9/21/2007 6:15:38 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: SusanofO

I am wondering how much  a partner's looks, brains, wealth or political views affect their overall effectivenss as a submissive or as a Master?

If you are a Dominant, do you ever find yourself attracted to someone specifically because you do consider yourself "superior" to them, in one or more of these areas? Or do you need someone who you see as more "equal" to you in them?
 
Submissives - do you see yourself as needing a Master whom you see as your "superior" in these areas (or some of them?) or are you attracted to Dominants who are seemingly your equal in one (or all) of them?

For instance, I know I find no objection to someone who is very "conventionally good looking" (at all), but it just isn't the whole ball of wax for me, as far as being an attraction. I can find myself attracted to a person who I consider "cute" for the quirkiest of reasons, even if they have what some might view as a major physical "flaw"- it's a pretty subjective judgment.

So overall, I guess I can be "Mastered" by someone not all that good-looking (or as a Mistress, want to dominate someone some might consider not conventionally hugely attractive). Don't get me wrong - great looking is wonderful, too. It goes without saying, though, that if they cannot manage their own weight or work-outs, I am not going to let them try to manage mine. I think there is no excuse for having yellow teeth these days, either, with all of the teeth whiteners on the market. I appreciate someone who pays some attention to personal grooming and up-keep, no matter what basic looks their Maker gave to them.

I think I cannot be Mastered by anyone I consider a dim bulb. If I repeatedly find them uttering naive statements, or saying things they simply have failed to think through, I can find myself still charmed in some ways, but never willing to entrust my well-being to them. As a Domme (I am a Switch), I can find this slightly charming, but overall, I still like a submissive with brains. I find brains to be a huge turn-on. Two caveats - and very important ones here, though. I cannot abide even the brainiest of men if they simply have no heart. No heart, and I will run for the hills as fast as I can. Ditto as well for having no common sense.

Wealth - Hmmm. This is I guess the most confusing attribute for me to figure out how much to be willing to negotiate with myself on. On the one hand, I've been incredibly attracted to types that are merely holding a job, even if that job barely pays their own rent. If they are really good at what they do - I find competence in itself  very attractive.

On the other hand, I don't want to get stuck having anyone "order" me to "help them out" of any financial mess they should have seen coming, or that is a result of their wanton irresponsibility (it would make me laugh at them, actually, and then I'd get "fired" as their submissive. As a Domme, I am more willing to be giving, but they need to have a job). No way are they handling my money, unless I have pretty darned good proof over time they can handle their own). And I am not so sure there isn't a lot to be said for someone having ambition - especially as a Master. 

Political views - well, I am an Independent with a leaning toward Democrat more than Republicanism, overall, and I can't describe myself as "liberal" or "conservative" snce I here those words tossed about with such subjectivity I hardly understand what people mean anymore when I hear them used. But if we are way too far apart, it's not going to work for me - mostly because I would tend to border on almost seeing ther views as morally opposed to mine. 

But I guess my basic question (besides the above) is:
 
If a D/s relationship is going to be fundamentally based on inequality anyway - how much should "equal" re: These things really matter? Is it easier to dominate someone less bright or good-looking than you? Or harder? Or does it not figure in your equation at all? If you're submissive - is it "easier" to respect and look up to somoen you consider your "superior" in some pretty fundamental ways?
 
Or - Is the inequality of a D/s relationship all the more reason they should matter, or not? (and by "inequality", I mean the fact that what a Master says is final anyway - so you can disagree all you want, and it won't matter - you need to do what they say).
 
Do they matter more if the person is a primary partner, as opposed to being an addition to a Poly family, or strictly a service slave, for instance?
 
Just curious about what people think about this. Thanks for any replies.

- Susan


I think certain variables do play a part.  For example, as the slave, if my Master wants me to stay home full time, then it's going to be necessary that he be able to carry the financial load.

Personally, I think "good looking" is really a matter of opinion.  What's good looking to me may not warrant a second glance to someone else.  As long as *I* am attracted to him, it doesn't matter to me what others may think.  I also could not submit to someone that I did not respect - they don't have to be a rocket scientist, but if they can't spell properly or articulate their thoughts comprehensibly, it's going to color my perception of them.

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RE: How much do a partner's looks, brains, or wealth a... - 9/21/2007 6:23:03 PM   
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devotedsylph: Thanks for the answer.

To anyone: I have to go out temporarily, but I shall return later. Thanks to any who answer.

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RE: How much do a partner's looks, brains, or wealth a... - 9/21/2007 6:33:37 PM   
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thank you susanofo. You are so nice to answer people. :) really!!!!

I guess i just see it the same. I wonder how many master and mistress are rich? Do they have to be? i guess so, for some, of course.
i'm just happy, thats all and want everyone to be.

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RE: How much do a partner's looks, brains, or wealth a... - 9/21/2007 8:06:36 PM   
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Brains are a must have. I just can't deal with stupid. It makes me grouchy.
Looks are less important, but appearance is. I can't deal with someone who is sloppy and unkempt. Not to go overboard here, someone who is always immaculate and perfect seems a bit stiff. But a general tidy appearance is important.
Wealth is not important, but financial stability is.

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RE: How much do a partner's looks, brains, or wealth a... - 9/21/2007 8:08:06 PM   
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I look for intelligence no matter who I'm with.  I'm sorry, but I absolutely cannot stand stupid people.

Looks I'm a bit more lenient on, as long as they have good hygiene.  And I've got a hypersensitive sense of smell, so people who wear too much aftershave or perfume (especially cheap stuff) are not on my good list.  Same with stinky people.


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RE: How much do a partner's looks, brains, or wealth a... - 9/21/2007 8:09:13 PM   
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quote:

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If you are a Dominant, do you ever find yourself attracted to someone specifically because you do consider yourself "superior" to them, in one or more of these areas? Or do you need someone who you see as more "equal" to you in them?

Valyraen truely can not be bothered with anyone inferior. He may be better at something than his partner, but that is usually a reflection of greater interest or practice.
 
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Submissives - do you see yourself as needing a Master whom you see as your "superior" in these areas (or some of them?) or are you attracted to Dominants who are seemingly your equal in one (or all) of them?

No. I submit to someone I'm attracted to, who stimulates my mind, and who can put food on the table and gas in the car. Superior never comes into play.

Can't give any input on any of the other questions. We really have no interest in a relationship based on inequality.

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RE: How much do a partner's looks, brains, or wealth a... - 9/21/2007 8:13:23 PM   
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Roles and classes bite big green d**key dicks.

I don't care.

Three things matter to me.

Creative zeal to explore, and be a maker.

A positive outlook on life that accepts reality-but has the imagination and determination to craft new ones.

Love without fear-and sex without shame.

Anything else is about cultural hang ups-and I have ALWAYS rejected those as immaterial.

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RE: How much do a partner's looks, brains, or wealth a... - 9/21/2007 8:34:41 PM   
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I appreciate the replies, folks. Thanks.

- Susan

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RE: How much do a partner's looks, brains, or wealth a... - 9/21/2007 9:05:08 PM   
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quote:

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I am wondering how much  a partner's looks, brains, wealth or political views affect their overall effectivenss as a submissive or as a Master?



For me, a dominant's looks, brains, wealth and political views do affect his dominance.

I would never date an ugly stupid poor right wing radical Dominant. 

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If you are a Dominant, do you ever find yourself attracted to someone specifically because you do consider yourself "superior" to them, in one or more of these areas? Or do you need someone who you see as more "equal" to you in them?


Not a dominant but....I have dated men who thought they were better me because they were older or richer or smarter.  It was a huge turn on for me.
 
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Submissives - do you see yourself as needing a Master whom you see as your "superior" in these areas (or some of them?) or are you attracted to Dominants who are seemingly your equal in one (or all) of them?



I -used- to see myself as needing a Master who was superior to me in all areas.  But then I realized...that's a fantasy.  I'm in a relationship where we BOTH have weaknesses and strengths and we get to work together as a team.

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RE: How much do a partner's looks, brains, or wealth a... - 9/21/2007 9:06:47 PM   
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Thanks for replying.

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RE: How much do a partner's looks, brains, or wealth a... - 9/21/2007 9:21:00 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: SusanofO

Submissives - do you see yourself as needing a Master whom you see as your "superior" in these areas (or some of them?) or are you attracted to Dominants who are seemingly your equal in one (or all) of them?


Interesting questions, Susan, and something to think about as I'm not quite sure how to answer.

To begin with, I don't view my relationship with FirmhandKY in a competetive light.  Certainly not when it comes to "looks"... though I might feel differently if he were prettier than me.    As far as wealth, he has the upper hand though I do very well on my own, and politically, we are fairly well matched.  When it comes to "brains", however, I would have to say that he far exceeds me.  I'm no slouch but I could never hope to catch up with his level of knowledge.

FirmhandKY and I just had a short discussion on this and he makes the very valid point that it's not a matter of whether we are equals, but rather that we fit well together.   I happen to strongly agree. We each bring something different to the relationship and what we do with those differences is what matters.

That being said, I still find myself thinking of him as being superior.  Of course, the fact that I consider him to be a man of exceptional quality and happen to adore him might be coloring my opinion a tad.    At any rate, believing him to be superior doesn't make me inferior, so I'm cool with that. 

As far as wondering if I could be with someone who wasn't at least equal to me in the areas you mention?  I honestly don't know.  I simply can't imagine anything different than what I have now with FirmhandKY and thankfully don't have to. 

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RE: How much do a partner's looks, brains, or wealth a... - 9/21/2007 9:39:46 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: SusanofO

Submissives - do you see yourself as needing a Master whom you see as your "superior" in these areas (or some of them?) or are you attracted to Dominants who are seemingly your equal in one (or all) of them?



Attitude is everything for me.  The right Domme can be dead broke and wearing an old mustard-stained T-shirt, but if she has the right attitude, she can easily intrigue me with a projection of her personality that is one part self-confidence, two parts intelligence, three parts imagination, and just a dash of subtle menace to add a little spice.

Looks are a very subjective matter.

"Command Presence" [as it was called in the military] is a far-more important factor to me in determining if I am attracted to a Domme.  How she holds herself, how she walks, the voice she uses, a certain glint in her eye....


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RE: How much do a partner's looks, brains, or wealth a... - 9/21/2007 10:14:53 PM   
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Oh, good question.  I've been pondering this a lot lately as I try to find someone online for the first time.
I am simply looking for a short term "play" type relationship... nothing serious, but I get so hung up on little things.
Mainly, I cannot stand people who can't spell or use poor grammar (such as "your" instead of "you're.") 
I guess I am ultimately attracted to someone's brain and personality so I need to see that reflected - no dullards.

But I keep asking myself why I care about these things so much when it will just be a casual sex thing?!  I think if you're going to submit to someone you need to respect them.  And I respect people who can spell.  And are Democrats.


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RE: How much do a partner's looks, brains, or wealth a... - 9/21/2007 11:21:12 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: SusanofO

I am wondering how much  a partner's looks, brains, wealth or political views affect their overall effectivenss as a submissive or as a Master?

If you are a Dominant, do you ever find yourself attracted to someone specifically because you do consider yourself "superior" to them, in one or more of these areas? Or do you need someone who you see as more "equal" to you in them?
 
Submissives - do you see yourself as needing a Master whom you see as your "superior" in these areas (or some of them?) or are you attracted to Dominants who are seemingly your equal in one (or all) of them?

For instance, I know I find no objection to someone who is very "conventionally good looking" (at all), but it just isn't the whole ball of wax for me, as far as being an attraction. I can find myself attracted to a person who I consider "cute" for the quirkiest of reasons, even if they have what some might view as a major physical "flaw"- it's a pretty subjective judgment.

So overall, I guess I can be "Mastered" by someone not all that good-looking (or as a Mistress, want to dominate someone some might consider not conventionally hugely attractive). Don't get me wrong - great looking is wonderful, too. It goes without saying, though, that if they cannot manage their own weight or work-outs, I am not going to let them try to manage mine. I think there is no excuse for having yellow teeth these days, either, with all of the teeth whiteners on the market. I appreciate someone who pays some attention to personal grooming and up-keep, no matter what basic looks their Maker gave to them.

I think I cannot be Mastered by anyone I consider a dim bulb. If I repeatedly find them uttering naive statements, or saying things they simply have failed to think through, I can find myself still charmed in some ways, but never willing to entrust my well-being to them. As a Domme (I am a Switch), I can find this slightly charming, but overall, I still like a submissive with brains. I find brains to be a huge turn-on. Two caveats - and very important ones here, though. I cannot abide even the brainiest of men if they simply have no heart. No heart, and I will run for the hills as fast as I can. Ditto as well for having no common sense.

Wealth - Hmmm. This is I guess the most confusing attribute for me to figure out how much to be willing to negotiate with myself on. On the one hand, I've been incredibly attracted to types that are merely holding a job, even if that job barely pays their own rent. If they are really good at what they do - I find competence in itself  very attractive.

On the other hand, I don't want to get stuck having anyone "order" me to "help them out" of any financial mess they should have seen coming, or that is a result of their wanton irresponsibility (it would make me laugh at them, actually, and then I'd get "fired" as their submissive. As a Domme, I am more willing to be giving, but they need to have a job). No way are they handling my money, unless I have pretty darned good proof over time they can handle their own). And I am not so sure there isn't a lot to be said for someone having ambition - especially as a Master. 

Political views - well, I am an Independent with a leaning toward Democrat more than Republicanism, overall, and I can't describe myself as "liberal" or "conservative" snce I here those words tossed about with such subjectivity I hardly understand what people mean anymore when I hear them used. But if we are way too far apart, it's not going to work for me - mostly because I would tend to border on almost seeing ther views as morally opposed to mine. 

But I guess my basic question (besides the above) is:
 
If a D/s relationship is going to be fundamentally based on inequality anyway - how much should "equal" re: These things really matter? Is it easier to dominate someone less bright or good-looking than you? Or harder? Or does it not figure in your equation at all? If you're submissive - is it "easier" to respect and look up to somoen you consider your "superior" in some pretty fundamental ways?
 
Or - Is the inequality of a D/s relationship all the more reason they should matter, or not? (and by "inequality", I mean the fact that what a Master says is final anyway - so you can disagree all you want, and it won't matter - you need to do what they say).
 
Do they matter more if the person is a primary partner, as opposed to being an addition to a Poly family, or strictly a service slave, for instance?
 
Just curious about what people think about this. Thanks for any replies.

- Susan


(I was actually hoping you were going to pick one).

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RE: How much do a partner's looks, brains, or wealth a... - 9/22/2007 1:29:11 AM   
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I only date men who can match me intellectually.  But I am particularly attracted to men who know more about some thing that might peak my interest.  Good looking men have come into my life now and then but they must always have the ability to keep up mentally.  In general though, looks aren't a big thing for me anymore.  I use to have a standard.. 6'2" eyes of blue.. but as I matured I found that didn't matter to me any more.  Wealth?  Well.. they have to have a job or have money that can sustain them without me.  I am more comfortable with men who are used to paying for dinners ect, but that is the way I was raised more than anything. 
I don't think I could be so desperate to date someone who wasn't intelligent and self sufficient.
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RE: How much do a partner's looks, brains, or wealth a... - 9/22/2007 2:12:47 AM   
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Thanks for the replies, folks.

Griswold: I tend to seek people who I think are more equal to me as far as brains and-or education (or exceed it, as a Domme or a submssisve), and also who have similar political POVs in a broad sense anyway.

As far as wealth, and looks - in these, equality is not as much a concern to me - but- as a submissive,  I am suspicious of a Dominant who has a checkered job history, or a history of financial problems, even if they are currently financially stable, and it can make me shy away from them. They need to be financially responsible and able to prove it over the long-term (and even with male submissives, this is somewhat important to me, though maybe less so).

Looks are completely subjective (to me) and how good-looking I perceive someone to be is a totally individual decision, IMO, so - they don't have to be "conventionally good-looking" to interest me, because depending on their personality, that might not be attractive to me anyway.   

- Susan

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RE: How much do a partner's looks, brains, or wealth a... - 9/22/2007 3:18:17 AM   
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I don't see anything about a dom sub relationship as inequality. We have different roles, but my partner needs to be my equal also. I could go into that a lot starting with negotiations and such, but I think I will leave it at that as far as my own relationships go.

My partner needs to have brains, or I can't stand to be around them. Money is not that big of a deal. I am a poor guy, but I get by. Phoenix makes a LOT more money than I do, but that does not bother or threaten me. We can take care of ourselves, and we have enough to make us happy.

Yesterday we got a message from someone who claimed to be a millionaire in his profile, and in his message stated that he was rich from word two. We wrote back in short that money does not impress us. We would both rather be with the right poor person, than the wrong rich person. That is not to say that if someone has money we rule them out, but that we judge a person by personality, not income.

The most important thing to us is honesty, and personality. We need to have compatible personalities, but maybe that is just us. We are always going to be equal, just in a different way. I think I have mentioned before that our first contract (when we had one) was a "contract of responsibility assignment" not a contract of consensual slavery.
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RE: How much do a partner's looks, brains, or wealth a... - 9/22/2007 5:33:03 AM   
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I met this man once. He was very good looking. He was a staunch conservative. In the short time we spoke to each other, I learned that political leanings held more weight for me than looks. As soon as I figured out that it was his politics that were giving me the non-stop headaches and the desire to strangle, I stopped talking to him completely.

Then I realized that what really bothered me about him wasn't so much his politics as it was his inability to express anything without making himself appear pompous and arrogant. When I asked him questions that actually required thought, his only response was along the lines of "well, I served in the military and I know more than you." (that response had absolutely nothing to do with what I'd asked.) When I asked him to answer the actual question I'd asked, he got all huffy and went on a long spiel about how he had done this and this and that and that and that was about the time I was glad we were talking online verses face to face.

And I realized that far more than looks or political leanings, I value intelligence. If I can dance rings around someone with a simple question, I'm not interested in much else. There is very little that is as hot to me as a man with a brain who isn't afraid to use it.

I have found under-educated men with more common sense and world accumen than I could shake a stick at. I have found educated men with those same levels of common sense and world awareness. Some of them have been poor, some of them have had more money. Wealth never meant that much to me, one way or the other. But if I can, with very little trouble whatsoever, get someone to change their mind depending on what whim I have at the time... I immediately lose all interest. I immediately lose significant amounts of respect for them as dominants.

I'm fickel. I know it. But in the end, likes and dislikes are more a matter of degrees than of absolutes. Someone might be the most intelligent man in the world, have all the political leanings that compliment mine, have money, and be good looking to boot. And for whatever reason, they just don't cut it with me.

I personally, don't think we can quantify what works for us and what doesn't in the relationship world beyond some basics. After that, it's how our personalities mesh that makes the difference.

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RE: How much do a partner's looks, brains, or wealth a... - 9/22/2007 5:59:36 AM   
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Greetings
I am mostly attracted to those who are seemingly ‘equal’ in that regard. Good looks make the package better, but if a person can not hold a conversation, they will not hold my attention for very long. Fortunately, within the first hour is usually enough time for me to either say yes or no in that area.
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