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RE: If you are at a BDSM Event and someone was doing or... - 7/24/2007 2:37:06 PM   
lonlyrossInNeed


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well you know i dont see what you are in here about then maybe you utah stay out of it if you dont like what you are reading im not trying to be rude im just saying i know for a fack that there where things sayd becouse some frineds told me and i know they woudlnt lie about htings like that but they never sayd who and never told me untill after i got home and was able to read it in the IM and emial they send me

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I may be wrong about this, because Ross can be a bit difficult to comprehend, but it was my understanding from what he wrote that he doesn't know who the people were which complained so that's probably not an option for him.

Celeste


And if that's the case, there could be no expectation that the people he's complaining about should have, or could have, contacted him.  He may not even know with any degree of certainty that anyone complained about him at all.  Or if they did, that it was not simply a private conversation that we have all had about someone we met who did not leave a favorable impression.  And someone violated the privacy of that conversation to tell Ross, who then runs to a public bulletin board to make his complaint public.
 
For crying out loud, no wonder there's so much friggin drama out there.  And the fact that people encourage this sort of behavior... well... you get what you ask for.  More people need to grow thicker skins, and evolve private lives (rather than living them so publicly via computer).
 
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RE: If you are at a BDSM Event and someone was doing or... - 7/24/2007 2:41:43 PM   
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this had nothing to do with playing it was not during the doungoen or sceens from what i heard someone would complain about when i was in a work shop just tyring to understand what im saposed to do like in the flogger building class trying to get the knots done right and then when just sitting around talking with friends others would jump in also and i would have to talk over them to finish somthing but i know for sure no one complaned about me during a scene or anything like that
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Personaly I would perfer someone to come to me,


I very strongly disagree with you. When I'm playing at a party I want everybody to keep their distance (gossip doesn't bug me that much). With one exception: the Dungeon Monitors of the party. A lot of players do dangerous stuff, and the last thing you want is unknown people from the audience to approach you. When you see something that annoys you, please inform a DM or staff member and let THEM handle it from there. They know if what's going on is or is not allowed at their club, they should be able to judge if something is (too) dangerous or annoying, and they should have the social skills to intervene - if necessary - in a polite and safe way.



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RE: If you are at a BDSM Event and someone was doing or... - 7/24/2007 3:00:31 PM   
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Ross, you don't know what they said or how they said it. What you have is someone else telling you that someone said something about you. Yet they can't/won't even tell you who the person was? It couldn't have been that big of a deal or they'd have been able to tell you who it was or they'd have come to you right away in an attempt to fix things. We've all had the experience of being exasperated by someone (for a legitimate or illegitimate reason) and have made comments. I personally have turned to my husband at our local drug store and said of the checker that I didn't know anyone could move that slowly! I know the person behind us overheard me. Did I say anything to the checker when I got to the front of the line? No. It wasn't THAT big of a deal. If it had been a big deal, I'd have not only said something to the checker, but would have asked for the manager. I can't imagine that the person behind me told the checker that I'd been talking about him. What point would it have served?

I think perhaps you're being overly sensitive. If it had been that much of a problem for them, they'd have told you and for sure would have told the hosts (which you've already said they did not.) Don't worry about it. My personal feeling is that unless your friend was willing to tell you who the person was so you could work things out, they should have kept what they were told to themselves. You may want to watch what you tell this person in the future as you may find something you think is being said only to them gets passed on. Yes, I know we expect to be able to tell friends things that bother us about others, but since this person won't tell you who supposedly said this negative thing I suspect it was a personal conversation and possibly even told in confidence. That means they shared something with you they shouldn't have. While this may make you think you can trust them more, because they like you so much they told you about it even though the other person probably thought it would go no further, in reality it means they're not overly trustworthy. When you have a problem with what someone tells you about a friend, you tell them you're not interested in discussing the topic because the person in question is dear to you and you'll not hear anything bad said about them. You don't listen, then run to tell the other person as if it were grade school all over again.

Also, keep in mind that not everyone has to like you or be happy with you. Unless they are your friends, their opinion shouldn't matter. You know you were acting within the bounds of polite society and BDSM society. That should be enough for you.


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RE: If you are at a BDSM Event and someone was doing or... - 7/24/2007 3:07:38 PM   
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Thank you very much i am trying to just get past this and take in everyhting that everyone is telling me to do and do what they are saying just ignore it and let it go
when i think about it i am not friends with this person anymore some things where sayd that she shouldnt have sayd to me
i am just trying to stay away from that seen
and i know i may chat a bit i know the saying goes a sub is better seen not heard and i am hoping that this will be one of the first things When i meet a Mistress that she will help me with
and maybe next year if i am collared i will go back to WS with my Mistress but i dont think its somthing i will do on my own agen
 
 
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Ross, you don't know what they said or how they said it. What you have is someone else telling you that someone said something about you. Yet they can't/won't even tell you who the person was? It couldn't have been that big of a deal or they'd have been able to tell you who it was or they'd have come to you right away in an attempt to fix things. We've all had the experience of being exasperated by someone (for a legitimate or illegitimate reason) and have made comments. I personally have turned to my husband at our local drug store and said of the checker that I didn't know anyone could move that slowly! I know the person behind us overheard me. Did I say anything to the checker when I got to the front of the line? No. It wasn't THAT big of a deal. If it had been a big deal, I'd have not only said something to the checker, but would have asked for the manager. I can't imagine that the person behind me told the checker that I'd been talking about him. What point would it have served?

I think perhaps you're being overly sensitive. If it had been that much of a problem for them, they'd have told you and for sure would have told the hosts (which you've already said they did not.) Don't worry about it. My personal feeling is that unless your friend was willing to tell you who the person was so you could work things out, they should have kept what they were told to themselves. You may want to watch what you tell this person in the future as you may find something you think is being said only to them gets passed on. Yes, I know we expect to be able to tell friends things that bother us about others, but since this person won't tell you who supposedly said this negative thing I suspect it was a personal conversation and possibly even told in confidence. That means they shared something with you they shouldn't have. While this may make you think you can trust them more, because they like you so much they told you about it even though the other person probably thought it would go no further, in reality it means they're not overly trustworthy. When you have a problem with what someone tells you about a friend, you tell them you're not interested in discussing the topic because the person in question is dear to you and you'll not hear anything bad said about them. You don't listen, then run to tell the other person as if it were grade school all over again.

Also, keep in mind that not everyone has to like you or be happy with you. Unless they are your friends, their opinion shouldn't matter. You know you were acting within the bounds of polite society and BDSM society. That should be enough for you.



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RE: If you are at a BDSM Event and someone was doing or... - 7/24/2007 3:50:14 PM   
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Until the BDSM community decides that its going to stop tolerating this kind of BS, then people will make up "safety violations" or "consent violations" to continue to jocky for "Dominance" and the title of "well respected in the community".

I've lived in two major cities and watched from the periphery of the BDSM scene and seen that both communities were rife with such claims and gossip. When I mentioned that I found this type of activity offensive the response from some people was that they enjoyed playing publically and put up with it, and from others that "subs have to watch out for each other" or "doms just naturally vie for dominance with other doms."

I simply choose not to associate with people like this - as even the ones who are just "putting up with it" have had their honor diminished in my eyes.

What I'm really trying to do here is say this: As long as you tolerate people who do this, and continue to associate with them, they will continue to do it. The culture has to change and the only way to really do it is to not tolerate such drama seeking behaviour or any dishonesty.


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RE: If you are at a BDSM Event and someone was doing or... - 7/24/2007 3:56:34 PM   
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i was active in a few difrent cities over the last sevral years and this is the first time i have ever had this problem


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RE: If you are at a BDSM Event and someone was doing or... - 7/24/2007 4:29:08 PM   
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i was active in a few difrent cities over the last sevral years and this is the first time i have ever had this problem



You've never had people speak poorly of your behavior? Ross, if you really want to get to the bottom of this and have something positive come from it, you should probably start by being honest with yourself.

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RE: If you are at a BDSM Event and someone was doing or... - 7/24/2007 5:08:15 PM   
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im not saying never i am saying that i have never had anyone speak poorly of my behavor i have had ppl speak about it but this is the first time i have had so many say things not to me but to a friends or to  a stranger about me and not directly to me
if there is a problem i want to be made aware of it and this is the first time that it had goten to go around like this
i never ones sayd i never had anyone speak poorly of me and if anyone ever dose say that about them self well then they have to get real i think

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i was active in a few difrent cities over the last sevral years and this is the first time i have ever had this problem



You've never had people speak poorly of your behavior? Ross, if you really want to get to the bottom of this and have something positive come from it, you should probably start by being honest with yourself.


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RE: If you are at a BDSM Event and someone was doing or... - 7/24/2007 5:34:06 PM   
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What I am trying to say in the nicest possible way is that if many people are talking about your behavior and they are all saying the same things then it would probably be in your best interest to take a very honest look at your behavior and do everything you can to make some positive changes.

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RE: If you are at a BDSM Event and someone was doing or... - 7/24/2007 5:47:47 PM   
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i am trying to do that that is exactly why i wish someone had of pointed out to me what was wrong so i could have tried to change during the weekend but no one told me so i didnt even know at the time

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RE: If you are at a BDSM Event and someone was doing or... - 7/24/2007 6:25:50 PM   
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Personaly I would perfer someone to come to me,


I very strongly disagree with you. When I'm playing at a party I want everybody to keep their distance (gossip doesn't bug me that much). With one exception: the Dungeon Monitors of the party. A lot of players do dangerous stuff, and the last thing you want is unknown people from the audience to approach you. When you see something that annoys you, please inform a DM or staff member and let THEM handle it from there. They know if what's going on is or is not allowed at their club, they should be able to judge if something is (too) dangerous or annoying, and they should have the social skills to intervene - if necessary - in a polite and safe way.



At a party if people start to get too close I just pull out a sword and light it on fire.  That tends to make people stay well away from me.  As for gossip to me its simple if your not in my bed at the end of the night or at the foot of the Bed i don't care what anyone at a party says i know the rules and i respect them.

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RE: If you are at a BDSM Event and someone was doing or... - 7/25/2007 9:48:13 AM   
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At a party if people start to get too close I just pull out a sword and light it on fire.  That tends to make people stay well away from me.  As for gossip to me its simple if your not in my bed at the end of the night or at the foot of the Bed i don't care what anyone at a party says i know the rules and i respect them.

Eric


Cool idea, but I don't think setting my hemp ropes on fire will really scare the buggers :-)

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RE: If you are at a BDSM Event and someone was doing or... - 7/26/2007 6:12:01 PM   
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nope to scare someone youd have to do alot more then set rope on fire it think just get out a sword and start waving it around LOL

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