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RE: Discipline training - 7/17/2007 10:44:37 AM

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I think you need to be much more specific to elicit any type of an intelligent answer.

M told me to strip. He put on a leather armbinder around my arms (behind my back) in a rather strict position.

He told me to stick my tongue out and lick a doorknob for 10 minutes.

Then we were done. That was all there was to it. It wasn't S&M, there was no sex, there was no orgasm. It was 10 minutes of training in a particular discpline. Learning to wear the armbinder for 10 minutes at a time (which will be increased as time goes on) and learning to do something he wants me to become better at. I.E. sticking out my tongue for lengths of time. I'm learning endurance for oral pleasure, apparently, although I didn't realize I needed "training" at it.

For me, a scene is normally associated with a much more active role on the part of the dom, rather than just putting me into bondage and leaving me there. I found this to be exactly what M called it - training and discipline - rather than a scene.

Was wondering if anyone else engages in similar forms of training, or if they would feel it was a scene if they shared this.

I don't think that a scene or play or whatever has to have a denouement or anything. I often stop when I'm just done, and I often command performances of things that happen to amuse me whether or not they may seem pretty stupid on the part of the person doing them.

The fact that you suspect the licking is in order to train you for oral is more rationale than I'd offer. My style is very much about doing what I want because that's what the s has signed on for, period. Obviously this isn't going to work for some people.

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RE: Discipline training - 7/17/2007 11:42:04 AM

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It is some kind of training. Personally, I have never asked a sub/slave to lick a door knob before. That is a red flag that they are "messing with you". Is this on cam? If it is on cam, then it is a good chance that "M" is getting his kicks.
Training is usually accompanied by learning definitions, learning how to kneel, self spanking exercises and how to address a Dom/me in a conversation plus protocol.
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In YOUR training, maybe. I have to agree with Cane on this...training is any exercise designed to teach proficiency in a specific area and/or enhance discipline and/or enhance and reinforce the D/s dynamic. For M, if he is into a certain amount of humiliation...and Elorin is too...that was certainly accomplished by putting her on her knees, bound, and being forced to lick a doorknob. He could have been increasing the time she is able to lick in a satisfying manner, thus teaching her proficiency to either service him more satisfactorily or other partners M decides to share her with. It could have allllllll been for teaching her how to perform in a more orally satisfactory way for the pleasure of others, undertaken just to demonstrate and enhance the power exchange, as Elorin noted.

Not everything I have trained submissives in has had to do with protocols such as kneeling, addressing me or other dominants "properly", etc., etc.. It has had to do sometimes strictly with enhancing the D/s dynamic outside of the BDSM arena.

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RE: Discipline training - 7/17/2007 12:38:18 PM

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Please tell me you disinfected the doorknob before licking it...

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RE: Discipline training - 7/17/2007 1:14:07 PM

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I have to agree with Cane on this...training is any exercise designed to teach proficiency in a specific area and/or enhance discipline and/or enhance and reinforce the D/s dynamic. For M, if he is into a certain amount of humiliation...and Elorin is too...that was certainly accomplished by putting her on her knees, bound, and being forced to lick a doorknob. He could have been increasing the time she is able to lick in a satisfying manner, thus teaching her proficiency to either service him more satisfactorily or other partners M decides to share her with. It could have allllllll been for teaching her how to perform in a more orally satisfactory way for the pleasure of others, undertaken just to demonstrate and enhance the power exchange, as Elorin noted.

I agree, CD.

That the task may have no meaning, other a reminder to obey, is luscious beyond belief. The task doesn't have to be enjoyable, agreeable, debated, or intellectualized - it just has to be ~done~. These sorts of exercises remind me to take glucosamine (to keep my aging knees flexible enough to kneel immediately).

God, I'd lick that doorknob so well that it would beg for more.

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RE: Discipline training - 7/17/2007 1:19:08 PM

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Please tell me you disinfected the doorknob before licking it...

Bah. How many people wash their hands every time they handle money or wash their hands every time they touch a public doorknob / handle? For that matter, how many people always have protected sex? A doorknob at my own house is, I am willing to wager, much cleaner and safer than "money hands" or risky sex. And if the command were to lick a public door knob / handle ... eh ... I've had rotovirus before.

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RE: Discipline training - 7/17/2007 1:37:24 PM

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I think that like lots of things in life this is a question of power dynamics. If this is an area in which you have agreed to submit to him, then you should do what you are told and shut up about it. You have decided to trust him, so trust him.

If on the other hand this is an area where you have freedom to choose, then you should discuss it with HIM not us.

In any case you are being far too impatient. How can you possibly experience the meaning of something after just 10 minutes?

Seems to me your real problem is how much authority you are willing to give up and how much you trust HIM. None of us can help you with that.

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RE: Discipline training - 7/17/2007 4:00:34 PM

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If on the other hand this is an area where you have freedom to choose, then you should discuss it with HIM not us.

I enjoyed the training and look forward to more and longer sessions in the armbinder (10 minutes was about all I could stand) and doing whatever he wishes me to do and learn. Already discussed it with him during our aftercare.

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In any case you are being far too impatient. How can you possibly experience the meaning of something after just 10 minutes?

10 minutes can be an awfully long time when you are blindfolded and doing what feels like a pointless activity. But M already told me why I was doing the training, so I"m not worried about "experiencing" the meaning of it - it was already told to me.

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Seems to me your real problem is how much authority you are willing to give up and how much you trust HIM. None of us can help you with that.

Erm, actually I didn't have a problem. I enjoyed some training which had two defined purposes and a number of implied purposes, and wondered if others shared my points of view on it. I wasn't asking for help, just opinions.

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RE: Discipline training - 7/17/2007 5:30:40 PM

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Please tell me you disinfected the doorknob before licking it...

I certainly hope so!!!!

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RE: Discipline training - 7/17/2007 5:38:40 PM

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Thank you for your supportive post, CreativeDominant.
I don't know if M wanted me to be humiliated, but I didn't find it humiliating. A bit silly perhaps.

He stated he wants me to extend the period of time I can stick my tongue out of my mouth for giving oral pleasure to women or rimming, and he always wants me to get to the point that I can wear the armbinder for longer periods of time.

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RE: Discipline training - 7/17/2007 7:00:58 PM

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My cock emits the fragrance of love....It's breathtaking.

So you only know how your own cock smells.

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RE: Discipline training - 7/17/2007 7:10:01 PM

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Please tell me you disinfected the doorknob before licking it...

I certainly hope so!!!!

Seriously of the threads I've read lately a dirty doorknob would be the least of my worries as far as something to lick that might be dirty.

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RE: Discipline training - 7/18/2007 6:14:24 AM

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That the task may have no meaning, other a reminder to obey, is luscious beyond belief. The task doesn't have to be enjoyable, agreeable, debated, or intellectualized - it just has to be ~done~. These sorts of exercises remind me to take glucosamine (to keep my aging knees flexible enough to kneel immediately).

God, I'd lick that doorknob so well that it would beg for more.

Awesome post

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I don't think that a scene or play or whatever has to have a denouement or anything. I often stop when I'm just done, and I often command performances of things that happen to amuse me whether or not they may seem pretty stupid on the part of the person doing them.

Now i think that is even going a step further than what the OP described... i'm a very shy and reserved person by nature, and sometimes have to do command performances of things that are completely non-sexual, no bondage involved (woe! ) (for example, performing "I'm a Little Teapot", or some of the Animaniacs or Schoolhouse Rock songs, etc)... i still consider it an act of submission, because in a "normal" relationship i wouldn't do it, but i don't really consider it a "scene". There's a sense of accomplishment, for overcoming my own nature in order to do what she wants, but no real enjoyment.

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RE: Discipline training - 7/18/2007 7:40:39 AM

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My recent submissive entertained me on the livingroom floor, naked. She ate grapes from a saucer and on occasion Id toss her a few to catch in her mouth for my amusement. She'd crouch on her haunches, licking her whiskers and meow for my pleasure. She'd beg for "Good Kitty" as a reward, and stay in that space as long as my heart desired.

She received training on a need-to-know basis as I taught her specifically what my needs and desires consisted of. And, she practised until what she was trained to do, effortlessly. I established morning rituals since she worked outside of the home, and especially on Sunday mornings, which is my favorite morning of all. First, there was my coffee in silence, then my newspaper over casual conversation and breakfast. Once this ritual was completed, we took separate down time, but came together during late morning to openly discuss how the previous week went for both of us. At times, changes were made. At other times, new expectations and goals were set, hard limits became soft ones, and sometimes I'd guide her through the rough spots of submission. (Id subbed in r/l for 4-5 yrs to experience "some" of what a submissive feels, hoping to develop a sensitivity to the needs of my submissives.)

So, yes Im all for training, some rituals, some selfishness on my part. I see training as an art, discipline as a must, ritual at my whim and punishment to fit the infraction but I never use pain. I inflict pain for my pleasure, then for her reward.

Nice thread,
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RE: Discipline training - 7/18/2007 8:45:16 AM

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I think it could be looked at as training or a scene, depending on your view of it. Training has purpose to me. Scenes are just because. But you can include training in a scene, or center a scene around specific training you wish someone to participate in. They are virtually interchangeable and intertwined many times. I think it was probably very useful for the purpose he desired, and maybe there was some other subconscious motivations (humiliation, further acceptance of his domination...whatever), but it really doesn't matter. All training is useful. You learned that you can do 10 minutes in an armbinder and more might take some getting used to. And you confirmed that licking doorknobs doesn't really do anything for you.

As far as how clean it was.....oh please people. As if it matters whether you lick them or use your hands to open them and then touch something on your face, or that will go into your mouth. No real difference. Somehow it still sounds no more risky than licking someones ass

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