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should subs be given these - 6/14/2007 12:43:03 PM   
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micro management, structure, stability, kindness and patience
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RE: should subs be given these - 6/14/2007 12:46:51 PM   
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I'm not sure what your asking exactly.

I do not like being micro managed. So I don't think I need to be given that. The rest are all good things that I would like in my life. So yeah we should be given them I guess.


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RE: should subs be given these - 6/14/2007 12:47:49 PM   
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Sometimes

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RE: should subs be given these - 6/14/2007 12:48:44 PM   
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IMHO everyone needs the last four of the OP's statment, the 1st one?....not so much.

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RE: should subs be given these - 6/14/2007 12:52:33 PM   
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no, yes, yes, yes and yes ... . . ... . i think that was a question?

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RE: should subs be given these - 6/14/2007 12:52:47 PM   
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I personally prefer the last 3.
but I agree with LA sometimes people do need all of those things

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RE: should subs be given these - 6/14/2007 12:54:08 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: inyousodeep

micro management

I'd leave
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, structure

Some people do well with it
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 stability
 
Don't know why you wouldn't
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kindness

Ditto
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 and patience

And again... why wouldn't you? 

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RE: should subs be given these - 6/14/2007 12:56:23 PM   
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Ok if someone actually made the effort to attempt to micromanage me... I can confidently say I would probably smack the crap out of that person... it would irritate me to no end.... I'm a pretty structured person so ... nope don't need that one either.... stability as in they are a stable person... yes... do I need someone to stabilize me..... no....kindness... yes I don't do cruelty... patiences.... is a MUST.... because I'll drive you right up one wall.... across the ceiling... and back down the other wall.

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RE: should subs be given these - 6/14/2007 12:56:38 PM   
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I can think of two main reasons why I would choose not to give a sub those things:

1) So they can learn to give it to themselves

2)  Because I don't have it to give/don't feel they deserve it from me at that time

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RE: should subs be given these - 6/14/2007 12:59:41 PM   
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there is no set rules about what a sub should get....every person is different so every sub has different needs

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RE: should subs be given these - 6/14/2007 1:06:20 PM   
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it depends on the relationship and those involved

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RE: should subs be given these - 6/14/2007 1:58:56 PM   
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  • micro-managemant - useful tool for training.  outside of that either yes/no depending and at varied levels.
  • Rest to the rest 

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RE: should subs be given these - 6/14/2007 2:00:29 PM   
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I give all of those to my sub but micro management. He doesn't need it and I don't have the time for it.

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RE: should subs be given these - 6/14/2007 2:00:45 PM   
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ORIGINAL: AquaticSub

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ORIGINAL: inyousodeep

micro management

I'd leave
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, structure

Some people do well with it
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 stability
 
Don't know why you wouldn't
quote:


kindness

Ditto
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 and patience

And again... why wouldn't you? 


Times this by 2 for me *S*

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RE: should subs be given these - 6/14/2007 2:02:24 PM   
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ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross

I can think of two main reasons why I would choose not to give a sub those things:

1) So they can learn to give it to themselves

2)  Because I don't have it to give/don't feel they deserve it from me at that time


Okay...........but at the end of the day......come on. I'm sure to some degree you would give out the last 3. I mean even my puppy gets those 3.

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(But I do see what your trying to say)

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RE: should subs be given these - 6/14/2007 2:17:44 PM   
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Yes, hence my original reply:  Sometimes

I even give out micromanagement sometimes.  I can be a VERY picky eater and it's necessary for me to micromanage someone on preparing my food.  Micromanagement isn't a dirty word :)

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RE: should subs be given these - 6/14/2007 2:19:29 PM   
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ORIGINAL: inyousodeep

micro management, structure, stability, kindness and patience


Obviously, as with ALL ELSE which is possible to give or take: Depends on those involved. It would have been different if you asked personal experiences ;)

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RE: should subs be given these - 6/14/2007 2:29:49 PM   
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If only it was that easy lol.
Relationships are very complicated.
D/s relationships involving BDSM are even more complicated.
It's not called a different kind of loving for nothing.
Patience and kindness are the last thing some subs want.
It maybe what they need but try convincing them of that.
You have to know yourself before you can find the right person to give you what you need and that's difficult because we all keep changing and growing.

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RE: should subs be given these - 6/14/2007 3:56:17 PM   
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time and a place for micromanagement, yes, yes, of course, and definatly.. everyone deserves kindness and patience, thats a given

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RE: should subs be given these - 6/14/2007 4:45:07 PM   
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micro management, structure, stability, kindness and patience


I can only answer you from my perspective and what I think...

Micromanagement...for some, yes it is necessary. I do not care to do it so I would not want a submissive that needs it.

Structure...Depends on what you mean by structure. If you have a submissive whose life is wildly chaotic and wants more organization, less frenzy, etc. then yes, she does need structure. To a certain extent, I believe that structure of some sort is always needed in a D/s dynamic and I believe D/s is an ongoing process

Stability...I think a submissive should be able to look to their dominant for stability yes. It is usually seen in his/her control. If you are referring to the relationship and whether or not she should be left up in the air as she is never sure whether or not the dominant will pull the rug out at any minute, then it is MOO that a submissive has a right to know where they stand...within reason. An insecure submissive who needs constant reassurance has no right to expect the dominant to constantly provide that.

Kindness...this is a broad term in D/s. What you may see as cruel today as the submissive, 10 days or 10 weeks or 10 months from now, you may see as having been a kindness in what it has led to. Asking for kindness from the dominant can mean many things to many submissives. If you know that a dominant who treats you arrogantly and with little concern for your feelings is going to make you feel bad, then don't choose him or her. If the behavior becomes evident after the relationship has begun, then communicate to the dominant that you are concerned about their behavior and ask why it has come about. We teach people how they can treat us...we can and do even teach people that it is O.K. to be inconsiderate towards us. If it continues, then you have a choice to walk.

Patience...the degree of patience a person has may be immense by some people's definitions and short by others. Again though...is the amount of patience you are asking for reasonable?
I know a submissive who loves to ask questions. She will take something I tell her and turn it around and ask questions about it from every angle. I like to discuss things so usually, it is not a problem. But...I have also told her that at a certain point, the almost-microscopic analysis of the statement and the answers that follow can begin to feel like I am being tested. Is it that I am unclear? Sometimes...sure. Is it that the question asked was complex and each answer DOES lead to another question? Sometimes...sure. Is it that her desire to examine everything from every angle sometimes to her not seeing the forest for the trees? Most definitely. At a certain point, all that can be said about something...or that needs to be...has been.

Self-assessment and honest analysis comes into play for the dominant AND the submissive. If your dominant has shown you/told you/asked you to do something a certain way 10 times and you do it wrong the 11th time, how much patience do you expect? Until you get it right, whatever it is? 100 times? 200 times? 300 times? Never? It depends on what the action is but you have to be honest with yourself about what you are asking for as compared to what you think you are getting.

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