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RE: Rape play fantasies - 5/23/2007 12:18:13 AM

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That's a bit like asking whether there were oak trees before we started calling them "oak trees."

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RE: Rape play fantasies - 5/23/2007 12:21:24 AM

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Ok, point. But I hold some optimism for the species and hope that the majority of our ancestors' sexual relationships were consensual.

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RE: Rape play fantasies - 5/23/2007 12:46:06 AM

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I'm not sure, because I wasn't there, but I think the majority of our ancestors' relationships were of the "I'll accept this because I don't have a choice anyway" variety.

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RE: Rape play fantasies - 5/23/2007 12:53:24 AM

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For those that have not had a higher education can you say what you said in another way and who where you answering? as it says you where answering Masque66 but i dont relate what you said to what he said, sorry its just i like to understand things and it anoys me when i can not, and i have no clue what you said in your post

Alright, appreciate the patience. I think my Common's better tonight.

Basically, I was just saying I felt what he said may have been an over-generalization. I was also saying I didn't know why he was generalizing about something- I wasn't sure what he was commenting on. I warned generalizing could be dangerous, though noted it might not be a problem if it was confined to an area where it was true enough.

I'm glad you like understanding things. Trust me, it's a mutual obsession. :P

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RE: Rape play fantasies - 5/23/2007 1:08:09 AM

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Damn, I'd forgotten all about that.

If I'm understanding right my knowledge on the subject is not greatly detailed, garnered mostly from books and classes. As such I try to be general rather than assume I can remedy specific cases.

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RE: Rape play fantasies - 5/23/2007 1:14:22 AM

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I do have to say we have only been out the trees and walking upright for a very short time. Civilized for even less. I find it truely awe inspiring that such concepts as consenual and romance have taken such hold in our collective minds. We do have a hope as a species yet; maybe not as a culture, but a species.

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RE: Rape play fantasies - 5/23/2007 1:29:28 AM

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I'm still wondering how many hundreds of years it will be until consent is a moot point again.

People think that a circumstantial happening necessitates such a happening as being infalliable progress. Or maybe the idea of consentual interactions just sounds appealing.

Myself, I doubt it will last.

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RE: Rape play fantasies - 5/24/2007 2:47:57 AM

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we rarely in good conscienc advise those we care for to seek truth for it is a sharp blade with no hilt, it cuts all who handle it, too often we forget suffering is the only path to enlightenment

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RE: Rape play fantasies - 5/24/2007 3:56:38 AM

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Not sure any professional is any real help to overcome the emotional impact of any kind of abuse.
People in the lifestyle are.
The people I have talked to and met have given me the strength to get over a lifetime of a abuse.
You have helped me heal.
We all have a story.
It's being able to share it with people that care that helps.
We don't have to have a psychology degree to understand another person's need.
We just have to want to.

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RE: Rape play fantasies - 5/24/2007 4:22:44 AM

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Not sure any professional is any real help to overcome the emotional impact of any kind of abuse.
People in the lifestyle are.

I think that is an inaccurate and even irresponsible thing to say. As a former counselor I can relate many, many instances where people have benefitted from professional counseling and therapy. And as a submissive who has been active in this "lifestyle" for a lot of years I can also relate many instances where Dominants who were well meaning but otherwise uneducated in dealing with past traumas have done far more damage than good. I don't discount the positive impact a supportive partner can have, but D/s, M/s and BDSM are not substitutes for therapy or other professional mental health care.

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