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Jamestown - 5/4/2007 11:39:07 AM   
Master96


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Status: offline 		I see Americans are excited by the Queen's visit. I don't know that much of American history. But would you, Americans, prefer being like Canadians? I mean having Queen Elizabeth as the head of your state? Or being like French, as a President the head of the state? As you are now.


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RE: Jamestown - 5/4/2007 11:45:14 AM   
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RE: Jamestown - 5/4/2007 11:50:00 AM   
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What does the monarchy do for England?



More than being a symbol? I don't know...

Symbol of the nation I mean.

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RE: Jamestown - 5/4/2007 11:54:23 AM   
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What does the monarchy do for England?



Probably more than the President does for the USA by not doing as much.

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RE: Jamestown - 5/4/2007 11:57:16 AM   
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What does the monarchy do for England?



Probably more than the President does for the USA by not doing as much.


LOL.....

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RE: Jamestown - 5/4/2007 1:20:42 PM   
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Status: offline 		The great thing about the US is the President is gone and forever powerless after 4 or eight years.

Anyway, the Babs is only nomially the head of state. Let's see her try to desolve Parliment in 2007 for example. What the Royals actually are...well they are a multi billion dollar preforming human Zoo for the English public.

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RE: Jamestown - 5/4/2007 1:26:42 PM   
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Anyway, the Babs is only nomially the head of state. Let's see her try to dezolve Parliment in 2007 for example. What the Royals actually are...well they are a multi billion dollar preforming human Zoo for the English public.


The monarchy is more than a nominal head of state and has some serious powers and a significant role in the constitution but would be foolish to use them in anything but a significant constitutional crisis (difficult to imagine at the moment). My guess if there was such a crisis and the monarchy was seen to act in good faith with the good of the nation in mind, there would be significant support in the nation for the monarchy.

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RE: Jamestown - 5/4/2007 1:28:52 PM   
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I see Americans are excited by the Queen's visit.



Not as excited as me......if she doesn't come back. The old witch.

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RE: Jamestown - 5/4/2007 1:31:42 PM   
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I see Americans are excited by the Queen's visit. I don't know that much of American history. But would you, Americans, prefer being like Canadians? I mean having Queen Elizabeth as the head of your state? Or being like French, as a President the head of the state? As you are now.



There's some queen visiting us?  Ah wells.

Only a truly wise and benevolent leader would be able to rule as head of state without my contempt.  No such monarchs have yet existed by my standards.
President, of course.

To point out, the US has a President as head of state like, well, the US.  France got it from us, not the other way around. ;)

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RE: Jamestown - 5/4/2007 1:33:06 PM   
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To point out, the US has a President as head of state like, well, the US.  France got it from us, not the other way around. ;)


So that is why they have a history of corrupt and hated Presidents? LOL

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RE: Jamestown - 5/4/2007 3:32:40 PM   
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Status: offline 		I can only speak for myself and say that the Queen's visit is of little interest to me and that
the monarchy is something that can stay put over there, aside from PR tours and photo-ops.

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RE: Jamestown - 5/4/2007 3:53:45 PM   
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Status: offline 		Modern constitutional monarchies are popular with counties that have them, Norway, Sweden, Denmark, Netherlands, Belgium, Spain and Britain. None would give up the constitutional monarchy for a President. Americans are far more defferential to their President than Europeans are to their monarchies, that is also true of the French in regard to their President too and the French are far more aristocratic than the British and the other countries that have monarchies.

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RE: Jamestown - 5/4/2007 4:20:44 PM   
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Status: offline 		Maybe Lillibet could get a role in a US soap. Any suggestions ?

I know, if its open for business maybe she could be a hostess on the Queen Mary moored in Long Beach I believe. Not far from the Spruce Goose which is an apt description of her majesty. Seeks bows reverentially lol

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RE: Jamestown - 5/4/2007 4:29:39 PM   
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The great thing about the US is the President is gone and forever powerless after 4 or eight years.

Anyway, the Babs is only nomially the head of state. Let's see her try to desolve Parliment in 2007 for example. What the Royals actually are...well they are a multi billion dollar preforming human Zoo for the English public.


True, and this last year and a half is just dragging by!
Oh, the Queen of England is in town?
Good, as long as she doesn't overstay her visa.

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RE: Jamestown - 5/4/2007 4:31:52 PM   
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Modern constitutional monarchies are popular with counties that have them, Norway, Sweden, Denmark, Netherlands, Belgium, Spain and Britain. None would give up the constitutional monarchy for a President. Americans are far more defferential to their President than Europeans are to their monarchies, that is also true of the French in regard to their President too and the French are far more aristocratic than the British and the other countries that have monarchies.


Now that's a statement.

I don't know what a president is supposed to do, but it can't be any worse than a monarch.

As far as I'm aware, a president is elected, a monarch is the heir of the strongest man in the village in 659AD.

In theory, the American system is a far better version - all representatives are elected (unlike the British version) - sounds good to me.

In practice though, the president, monarch etc are irrelevant when the establishment lord it over the man in the street. A system means nothing if the theory doesn't match reality.

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RE: Jamestown - 5/4/2007 4:50:31 PM   
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In practice though, the president, monarch etc are irrelevant when the establishment lord it over the man in the street. A system means nothing if the theory doesn't match reality.


Kingdoms or Republics and Socialists states all have their own aristocracies. It would be great if it wasn't true.

As for voting representatives in, which in theory is great but in reality, the system is stitched up before anyone votes and it is always the same people getting voted in and if the people woke up and really took control and voted in an alternative economic system as opposed to an alternative capitalist party, the troops would be on the street in 24 hours. Call me a cynic but I've never noticed voting change anything of substance in my life.

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RE: Jamestown - 5/4/2007 4:56:04 PM   
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Status: offline 		I confess: I'm oddly (for an American liberal) fond of the old girl and will try to catch a glimpse of her while she's in D.C.

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RE: Jamestown - 5/4/2007 5:00:57 PM   
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There's theory and then there's reality. We still can't get the theory right, never mind the reality. Heriditary peers, appointed bishops etc making up our second house - not impressive.

Out of interest, what is the alternative economic system?


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RE: Jamestown - 5/4/2007 5:10:39 PM   
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Out of interest, what is the alternative economic system?



You've got me there, lazy thinking! LOL I guess I meant anything that significantly  degrades or curtails the financial and political power of those that hold power now through the puchase of politicians. And I think politicians are bought and seduced, they are on average too vain and intellectually weak to resist it.

I'm so out of practice with English I can't write a sentence without the need to correct myself.

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RE: Jamestown - 5/4/2007 5:24:03 PM   
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Out of interest, what is the alternative economic system?



The Green Party would fit the bill for that discriptive... but we still haven't hit the requiered 18% to be accepted as a true (demographic) part of the population.

for the none-states people, the Green party focuses on alternitive fuel sources, livable wages, universal health care but since we would like to fund this all with legalizing some Mary J it doesn't go over well w/ their uptight agendas... far to much has been spent on that "war" on drugs.

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