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RE: Hypnosis and it's part in the D/s Lifestyle - 5/3/2007 9:22:42 PM   
BondageTopJere


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Status: offline 		I have to admit hypnosis is alwasy something I've been curious about and judging from what a few poepl have said is thread my curiousness is valid.  I've always been a big fan of the "mind-control" fantasies.  But I can definitely understand why many subs are"freaked" by the idea of doing so.  I imagine that at least SOME subs have been interested in those fantasies, but while many enjoy bondage, masochistic, humiliating etc fantasies,  by and large these are all PHYSICAL fantasies,  which require them to give up control over there physical being.  Mind-control ones deal exclusively with emotional fantasies,  and since fulfilling them the give up control over thier emotional being, it often much harder.  I've heard/read it is often far harder for a submissive to submit mentally and emotionally than it is physical, and hypnosis defintely fall under the emotional/mental submission state.

So you end with an ironic position where the thing someone wants the most, feels the most anxiety and fear about about what can actually grant that desire in the first place,  which is something I can most definitly relate too.

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RE: Hypnosis and it's part in the D/s Lifestyle - 5/3/2007 10:08:03 PM   
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Status: offline 		I cannot answer for others. But this is my response.
I have over time, learned to trust deeply, a very special person who is my dominant. I have through that trust, learnt that it is safe for me to put control of me in his hands. Were HE to suggest hynotising me, then i would not hesitate because i trust him with that control of me.

I would not however, allow you the privaledge of 'that' much control as i do not trust you. Although from the start of my relationship, i wanted to be able to let go, i did not, until such time as trust was earned over time. Trust that was evidenced time and time again, by the person i gave that trust to.. Hypnosis, can give you a head start. Which for you and yours, would be good perhaps.
Most people have a fear that you will get them to do something they do not wish to do. No matter how much you explain to them the reasons why this is not possible, fear of the unknown, will prevent them fully listening and for some people to run incase you can hypnotise them over the internet! Ignorance abounds.

On a differring note. Its nice to 'give' control to my dominant. For both of us to be fully conscious of that decision. Under hypnosis is a altered state of conciousness.
For some, the mind set that 'if you have to hypnotise your submissive, then you are not fully in control and she's not fully offerring you submission' is a negative bias. But who gives a rats arse what 'they' think. Its what works for you and yours that counts.

How you describe your use of hypnosis, sounds like enless fun in a trusting relationship to me. Its 'a' way to play, and clearly your cup of tea. Just not mine and seemingly, not others that you've communicated with.

some of my most treasured memories of our spiritually intense moments, to me, would be detracted from if hypnosis had been used. Like it would be-little the moment. I like to play sober, fully conscious. That's not how i end up, but i like to start out that way.

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RE: Hypnosis and it's part in the D/s Lifestyle - 5/3/2007 10:55:15 PM   
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RE: Hypnosis and it's part in the D/s Lifestyle - 5/4/2007 2:26:43 AM   
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Status: offline 		Hypnosis is something that has always interested me, mainly because I have a healthly skepticism about the things that I have seen people do under hypnosis. I don't doubt that a trained hypnotist can indeed use the power of suggestion to make the subject believe the things that the hypnotist is telling them are 'real', but the cynic in me (and also my great knowledge of conjouring and illusions, and more importantly the smoke and mirrors that accompany them) has difficulty getting past the concept that each of the subjects i have ever seen go under are 'plants'.

Of course, the only way to truly test this is to be put under myself and have it filmed so that I can view my own perfomance (as it were), but until recently this is something that I have hesitated to do because I was afraid that parts of my life I hadn't shared with previous partners would inadvertantly pass my lips. However , with the lovely .dark. I have no secrets (and it is so libertaing knowing that she knows all about me and does not judge me on my past) and so may be tempted to indulge myself one of these days if I can find a suitable hypnotist.

(and as for knocking someone for their spelling, .dark. hit the nail square on the head. I envy those who feel they can judge another on their typing on a message board, how wonderful it must be to be so perfect, eh? )

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RE: Hypnosis and it's part in the D/s Lifestyle - 5/4/2007 4:56:37 AM   
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ORIGINAL: darcyinshadows

Hypnosis is something that has always interested me, mainly because I have a healthly skepticism about the things that I have seen people do under hypnosis. I don't doubt that a trained hypnotist can indeed use the power of suggestion to make the subject believe the things that the hypnotist is telling them are 'real', but the cynic in me (and also my great knowledge of conjouring and illusions, and more importantly the smoke and mirrors that accompany them) has difficulty getting past the concept that each of the subjects i have ever seen go under are 'plants'.

Of course, the only way to truly test this is to be put under myself and have it filmed so that I can view my own perfomance (as it were), but until recently this is something that I have hesitated to do because I was afraid that parts of my life I hadn't shared with previous partners would inadvertantly pass my lips. However , with the lovely .dark. I have no secrets (and it is so libertaing knowing that she knows all about me and does not judge me on my past) and so may be tempted to indulge myself one of these days if I can find a suitable hypnotist.

(and as for knocking someone for their spelling, .dark. hit the nail square on the head. I envy those who feel they can judge another on their typing on a message board, how wonderful it must be to be so perfect, eh? )


darcyinshadows,
First off the people who are being hypnotized are not 'plants' they are just more outgoing than other people, they know they are going to be part of the evenings entertainment and go along willingly.

Secondly, You need not fear about divulging any secret that you don't want to divulge. There is always a part of your subconscious that stays awake and watches over you to make sure you're safe. If you were asked to say or do something you don't want to say or do, then that part (sometimes called the 'conscious observer' ) will take over and wake you up from your trance. But you are quite correct in only allowing someone you trust to hypnotize you. What I usually tell people and others have also in other threads on the subject is : If you wouldn't hand your wallet or purse to the person standing behind you in line, because you don't know them, the same rule should apply when allowing anybody to hypnotize you.

Finally, and this goes to anybody out there, If somebody offers to hypnotize you right off the bat, first meeting, sight unseen, and not willing to get to know you and your limits and the like. Do one thing and one thing only.....RUN!!!

Until next time fetish fans,
HP

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RE: Hypnosis and it's part in the D/s Lifestyle - 5/4/2007 8:38:31 AM   
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Status: offline 		I've found that I dont pay much concious attention to whats going on during hypnosis, and usually when i've finished with a session, I dont really remember what has happened. If someone says "do you remember standing on one foot?" that part of the session will come back to me, but I dont usually remember things on my own, unprompted. The only times I do remember things are when they were uncomfortable, but its not like looking back and going "oh god, why did I let that happen?" When i do get uncomfortable, I tend to snap out of a trance pretty quickly.

I hope this post didnt give anyone the heeby-jeebies. I've found that when I play with someone new, I remember almost everything that's happened while I'm under. I just think that because I trust the people whom I play with so deeply, I dont NEED to remember it. I know everything was ok, I know I enjoyed it, so it's not necessary to remember.

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RE: Hypnosis and it's part in the D/s Lifestyle - 5/4/2007 6:48:28 PM   
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ORIGINAL: darcyinshadows

has difficulty getting past the concept that each of the subjects i have ever seen go under are 'plants'.


Sometimes they are planted, but usually the hypnotist will just rely on the fact that most people will comply with innocous suggestions due to the pressure and the power of suggestion (particularly when the suggestion is made by an authority figure and certain expectations are present up-front), and then they just progressively screen candidates until they're left with the most susceptible ones.

Altered states are simple enough. As for the extent to which hypnosis is effective in achieving them under various circumstances, I don't have any experience to comment on this from. However, I do know that a friend of mine has been using meditation techniques to achieve similar results.

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(and as for knocking someone for their spelling, .dark. hit the nail square on the head. I envy those who feel they can judge another on their typing on a message board, how wonderful it must be to be so perfect, eh? )


Not only should one bear in mind that poor spelling could be dyslexia, but also that the Internet is global. I'd love to see how well some of these people write my native language, which is Norwegian.


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RE: Hypnosis and it's part in the D/s Lifestyle - 5/4/2007 6:58:15 PM   
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Secondly, You need not fear about divulging any secret that you don't want to divulge. There is always a part of your subconscious that stays awake and watches over you to make sure you're safe. If you were asked to say or do something you don't want to say or do, then that part (sometimes called the 'conscious observer' ) will take over and wake you up from your trance.


I'm curious about this part. Would it not be conceivable that this "watchdog" part of the mind could be limited in effectiveness, at least given repeated sessions, much in the same way that alcohol impairs certain mental reflexes without fundamentally altering the basic personality and behavioural impulses?

If so, alcohol consumption might be a viable test for whether this "watchdog" would be adequate to the task of preserving secrets. In my line of work, I have to compartmentalize a lot of information, and I have found that alcohol impairs that ability if I don't use special techniques for the compartmentalization (essentially, dissociation). If I use those techniques, as I now do (almost reflexively), alcohol doesn't impair it at all. Of course, one can still apply conscious thought to a conversation in order to avoid the problem, which is something I do anyway, but it might be an interesting test.

As for counteracting moral imperatives, and so forth, I'd imagine that is something the legit schools wouldn't want the students to get it into their heads to try, so they might not be entirely upfront about it. I think you could probably use hypnosis as an aid in such an effort, and that you could probably use the same incremental approaches in hypnosis as in cognitive behavioural therapy to slowly circumvent barriers without the subject knowing about it.

On a willing subject, a properly qualified and licenced person could of course employ a range of other approaches as well, but that's kind of beyond the scope of this thread.

I'm certainly interested in hypnosis, mostly from the angle of using it as an aid in regular conditioning/reconditioning, body control and such, although if I ever take a proper course in it, and obtain the right certifications, I might employ it in therapy.


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RE: Hypnosis and it's part in the D/s Lifestyle - 5/4/2007 7:05:31 PM   
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RE: Hypnosis and it's part in the D/s Lifestyle - 5/4/2007 9:52:54 PM   
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hvordan har du det? (I cannot speak it well, much less write it)God dag!


So far, so good. Quite right. Now, let's see a whole post without any mistakes.

For those who don't read it, that's "How are you?" and "Good day!". Not sure how far Babelfish or Google Translate goes in this department; I've seen people think it would go a lot better if they use an automated translater than to deal with the faults in their own language. Now, if only the mistakes from automated tools made as much sense as those humans make...

Just for laughs, my attempt at rendering the same in Japanese: "Anata-wa, desu ka?" and "Konbanwa".

Leggetid nå.


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RE: Hypnosis and it's part in the D/s Lifestyle - 5/4/2007 10:17:45 PM   
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Status: offline 		Im not sure id be keen on the not remembering part? isnt that part of the afterglow fun?
And im sort of in a situation, where i dont have to get hypnotised to allow myself to act out fantasies. Its part of our deal.
But i love the idea of 'subspace' in a click of a finger.
But then i read Temptressofsouls first post, and can see that in a search for oblivion, id be craving more too.
It sounds like a good way to play to me. Id have a hard job not giggling a bit though i think.
little1

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RE: Hypnosis and it's part in the D/s Lifestyle - 5/7/2007 3:49:29 PM   
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Im not sure id be keen on the not remembering part? isnt that part of the afterglow fun?


Most likely, the afterglow would remain, I think.

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And im sort of in a situation, where i dont have to get hypnotised to allow myself to act out fantasies. Its part of our deal.


It's like with alcohol. Some people need it in order to do crazy stuff. Others, like me, prefer to do the crazy stuff while sober, and play it safe when drunk. However, with hypnosis you have the added advantage that you can probably use it to provide a long-term disinhibition, although I'd personally prefer to do that with CBT instead.

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But i love the idea of 'subspace' in a click of a finger.


Who doesn't?

But you can condition that without hypnosis. Just use regular Pavlovian conditioning. For instance, if you go through a kind of ritual every time you're going to play, you'll soon end up changing mental state from the ritual itself.

Stuff like snapping one's finger to trigger subspace will invariably end up being a problem, as so short triggers just end up being encountered in the wrong context at some point in time.


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RE: Hypnosis and it's part in the D/s Lifestyle - 5/7/2007 4:00:23 PM   
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Status: offline 		I find hypnosis fascinating.  I consented to allow a Dominant try to hypnotize me over the telephone, and it worked wonderfully.  It was an interesting way to get to sub space.

I think people in general though they may be curious, have a fear of the unknown. 

As with anything, you must trust the person doing the hypnosis.

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RE: Hypnosis and it's part in the D/s Lifestyle - 5/8/2007 12:42:45 AM   
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However, with hypnosis you have the added advantage that you can probably use it to provide a long-term disinhibition, although I'd personally prefer to do that with CBT instead.


It also can heighten the sensitivity of your partner or even prolong certain events if done correctly.

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RE: Hypnosis and it's part in the D/s Lifestyle - 5/8/2007 12:48:06 AM   
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I think people in general though they may be curious, have a fear of the unknown. 

As with anything, you must trust the person doing the hypnosis.


I tend to agree with the people fearing the unknown, and with the 'bad rap' hypnosis and hypnotists have due to totally innacurate movies, it makes it harder to 'win them over' and as you say soulfulkitten, Trust it the MOST important part of the process. 

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RE: Hypnosis and it's part in the D/s Lifestyle - 5/8/2007 3:46:51 AM   
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Out of curiosity HP - when did you 'know' you were ready to hypnotise someone.  I have never studied the subject fully, and just wondered when you know you are ready to take on the responsibility of hypnotizing another.  Is it something that is text book in application, or a 'you know when you are ready' kind of thing?
 
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RE: Hypnosis and it's part in the D/s Lifestyle - 5/8/2007 8:43:44 AM   
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Out of curiosity HP - when did you 'know' you were ready to hypnotise someone.  I have never studied the subject fully, and just wondered when you know you are ready to take on the responsibility of hypnotizing another.  Is it something that is text book in application, or a 'you know when you are ready' kind of thing?
 
Peace



For me, dark, it was a little bit of both, I read up on the subject quite a bit, studied a lot, then it became a "I'm ready,lets see if I can do it" type of an affair, then I asked a friend if she'd be willing to help out with it. She said yes and the rest, as they say is history.

Take care,
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RE: Hypnosis and it's part in the D/s Lifestyle - 5/8/2007 9:10:47 AM   
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ORIGINAL: HypnoticPhantom

Secondly, You need not fear about divulging any secret that you don't want to divulge. There is always a part of your subconscious that stays awake and watches over you to make sure you're safe. If you were asked to say or do something you don't want to say or do, then that part (sometimes called the 'conscious observer' ) will take over and wake you up from your trance.


I'm curious about this part. Would it not be conceivable that this "watchdog" part of the mind could be limited in effectiveness, at least given repeated sessions, much in the same way that alcohol impairs certain mental reflexes without fundamentally altering the basic personality and behavioural impulses?


Not realy. It's always on duty. After repeated sessions it would learn to trust the person doing the hypnosis and allow the person to slip into trance more quickly.

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If so, alcohol consumption might be a viable test for whether this "watchdog" would be adequate to the task of preserving secrets. In my line of work, I have to compartmentalize a lot of information, and I have found that alcohol impairs that ability if I don't use special techniques for the compartmentalization (essentially, dissociation). If I use those techniques, as I now do (almost reflexively), alcohol doesn't impair it at all. Of course, one can still apply conscious thought to a conversation in order to avoid the problem, which is something I do anyway, but it might be an interesting test.


Being drunk and being hypnotized are two totally opposite things. But the watchdog part is still there, making sure you're ok (it's the little thing that tells you when enough is enough) Even if you are lit to the ceiling, you still won't tell anybody anything you don't want to, or be told to do something you don't want to do or are morally opposed to mainly due to the 'watchdog' being on full alert all the time

Hope this answers your question,
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RE: Hypnosis and it's part in the D/s Lifestyle - 5/9/2007 2:31:03 AM   
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RE: Hypnosis and it's part in the D/s Lifestyle - 5/9/2007 4:53:07 AM   
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Im not sure id be keen on the not remembering part? isnt that part of the afterglow fun?



If you make a concious effort to remember, then you will. My brain just doesnt bother for some reason. As for afterglow-it can last for hours, if you let it, whether you did anything sexual or not. Just a nice, heavy, relaxing feeling.

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