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situation comedy - 5/2/2007 12:24:05 AM   
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What is your favorite sitcom? Mine is Frasier. But what happens when you mix Frasier show with Star Trek?

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Edited to ask: Maybe this should be in the Humor forum?

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RE: situation comedy - 5/2/2007 12:45:14 AM   
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I would lik to ask a serious question about Frazier.

How do Americans "see" the character of Daphne, Niles' girlfried.
I mean the character and social standing within the context of the sitcom. NOT the actress or anything to do with her looks etc
Her accent in particular . Slight contradiction there, never mind.

Thtas what I would like to know.


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RE: situation comedy - 5/2/2007 1:02:12 AM   
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It has been a while since I watched Fraiser, and unfortunatly it is hard to seperate out just the accent.  The character is suppose to be from a working class family, and so the accent and vocabulary that she uses seem to support that.  Is that sort of what you were looking for?


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RE: situation comedy - 5/2/2007 4:30:33 AM   
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Exactly, because that is so unusual  when a Brit is imported to take a part.on an American TV programme. I just wondered if it was a deliberate ploy by the show's producers and if the American audience recognised it. ie the background of Daphne.

Unfortunately I dont think she is a very good actress buts thats a different point.

Does accent in the US reveal as much as it does in the UK ? Its a stock comedy situation in the UK where characters  try to adopt a "posh" accent and fail miserably.

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RE: situation comedy - 5/2/2007 5:05:13 AM   
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My favourite sitcom would have to be an Aussie show called Kath and Kim.  It's probably the funniest show I've ever seen, possibly because I can relate to the characters so well (I've known a few people like them).

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RE: situation comedy - 5/2/2007 5:11:15 AM   
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One of the best-delivered lines so far in the 3 seasons...



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RE: situation comedy - 5/2/2007 7:02:18 AM   
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Exactly, because that is so unusual  when a Brit is imported to take a part.on an American TV programme. I just wondered if it was a deliberate ploy by the show's producers and if the American audience recognised it. ie the background of Daphne.

Unfortunately I dont think she is a very good actress buts thats a different point.

Does accent in the US reveal as much as it does in the UK ? Its a stock comedy situation in the UK where characters  try to adopt a "posh" accent and fail miserably.


Our southern/redneck accents are always made fun of here. "Rednecky" country characters are commonly portrayed as ignorant, backward and right-wing dumbass.

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RE: situation comedy - 5/2/2007 11:06:04 AM   
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seeksfemslave Talking about the social background of Daphne in Frasier

Exactly, because that is so unusual  when a Brit is imported to take a part.on an American TV programme. I just wondered if it was a deliberate ploy by the show's producers and if the American audience recognised it. ie the background of Daphne.

Unfortunately I dont think she is a very good actress buts thats a different point.

Does accent in the US reveal as much as it does in the UK ? Its a stock comedy situation in the UK where characters  try to adopt a "posh" accent and fail miserably.

Our southern/redneck accents are always made fun of here. "Rednecky" country characters are commonly portrayed as ignorant, backward and right-wing dumbass.


I dont think I have posted this here before but one of the funniest portrayals I have ever seen involving a Southern US accent was that played by Slim Pickens as the last remaining pilot determined to drop his bombs come what may in the film Dr Strangelove. In the end he launched himself along with with bomb and rode it, the bomb, cowboy style to.............oblivion.
Though the underlying message of the film was serious nearly all of the roles were comedic and Slim in particular was hilarious. IMO

Just had a thought maybe FirmhandKY has modelled himself on that army colonal who refused to damage the Coca Cola machine during an extreme emergency because it was private property. The actor was Keenen Wynn


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RE: situation comedy - 5/2/2007 11:16:37 AM   
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What is your favorite sitcom?


Hard to choose among Friends, Everyone Loves Raymond and Mash.

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RE: situation comedy - 5/2/2007 11:20:45 AM   
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Early Cheers takes some beating along with my all time favourite 8 Simple Rules. Again early episodes with John Ritter.

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RE: situation comedy - 5/2/2007 3:27:35 PM   
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What is your favorite sitcom?



Of the US ones I've seen - Arrested Development.

British - Blackadder.

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RE: situation comedy - 5/3/2007 1:48:19 AM   
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I think in American programs you are more likely to find humor exploited not by trying to make someone sound posh and having them fail though a muddled accent, but more though misuse of vocabulary.  The stereotypical mobster, who speaks in a very low and crass way,  but sprinkles sofisticated words into his sentences thanks to a word a day calander.  Usualy the joke being compounded by the words being misued in the sentence, so it's more obvious he is just parroting them.  The reverse can also be found, the fellow who speaks like a southern hick, and obviously has little education, but doesn't try to pretend to be posh, yet turns out to be fairly wise, and wealthy (Think of the character of Jed Clampett as played by Buddy Ebsen in the old television show The Beverly Hillbillies)

I recall reading that years ago, actors on the bbc had to speak the queens english.  After ingraining in their viewers that sophisticated people speak this way, that now it's an easy comic device to fall back on.  Here in the US, it seems that as a general rule programs had no problem showing people speaking wtih diffferent accents, just as long as the accent went along with the general stereotype.  So today the cheap comic device is more in line with breaking that previously established steriotype.

What I have noticed, is that if a television program wants someone to sound posh, they have them speak the queens english (The character of Higgins from Magnum PI is the example that comes to mind most readily).  Which gets back to your original question about the character of Daphne in Frasier.  Your two main characters on the show, Fraiser and Nials are educated, very well spoken, snobby and posh, yet absolutly american.  As counterpoint you have the british actress, who obviously isn't posh, but is intelligent who is able to match wits with them, and never has to be spoken down too.  So you have the non steriotypical americans in the show, and (from the american standpoint I guess) the non steriotypical brit.



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RE: situation comedy - 5/3/2007 2:22:03 AM   
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What is your favorite sitcom?


Hard to choose among Friends, Everyone Loves Raymond and Mash.


I'm an Everybody Loves Raymond fan, though I hardly know anyone else that watches it.

British: The Office, Fawlty Towers and Last of the Summer Wine.

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RE: situation comedy - 5/3/2007 2:48:02 AM   
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If I had to choose ONE TV situation comedy, I would have to choose All in the Family.

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RE: situation comedy - 5/3/2007 4:28:34 AM   
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Excellent post and a good answer to the question I posed about Daphne in Frasier and US light entertainment in general.
Tho' you pick up on the nuances  of Daphne v Frasier, do you think that American audiences across the board do?

Two other points about Frasier:
both Nials (sp?) and Frasier can be extremely childish. Havent seen that many episodes so this could well be an  on running joke in the show
The contrast in the social status of the father and the "boys"; odd or what and most unusual  in American entertainment. A more usual scenario is to have people of "ordinary" background living in inappropriate luxury. Friends springs to mind, very well written and sharp but has zero appeal to me.

Many Americans claim to like the English accent, they should listen to me that would soon change their minds, I wonder if they really mean the ultra "cut glass" accent that was the norm on the BBC up until the early 50's when the influx of American programmes loosened things up a bit and introduced much needed informality.


Just tack this on: I am beginning to wonder if any Brits were involved in the creative ie writing/casting side of Frasier. I remember the film Midnight Cowboy where the seedy ambiance of part of New York City was picked up exactly.
That was directed by a Brit. a fact that surprised me when I found it out.
Waffling a bit now but I have seen episodes of Frasier where Dapne's relations are from the South of England. Daphne clearly is not. That would possibly indicate no Brits involved in the casting at least.

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RE: situation comedy - 5/3/2007 6:10:59 AM   
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RE: situation comedy - 5/3/2007 7:03:59 AM   
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Mine is King of the Hill. It may be animated, but it is so real it is disturbing.

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RE: situation comedy - 5/3/2007 6:27:38 PM   
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As a general rule I dislike most US sitcoms, just because I sometimes get the feeling that instead of trying something new, they would rather try the same old tired plots you could find in sitcoms 20 years ago.  Coupled with dialog that seems to almost talk down to the viewer, most sitcoms leave a bad taste in my mouth.  I am fairly intelligent, and I like a show that forces to me maybe think about the humor, or even look up the reference, or maybe even go in a direction I can't predict (Heroes has done a good job with the plot twists).   The british show Coupling I loved.  In terms of favorite comedies of all times, that one makes me laugh out loud the most.  First episode I recal there was some dialog between Steve and Jane, where Steve kept on compairing themselves to the Crippens.  From the dialog I figured the Crippens didn't end well, but then I had no problem taking a minute to look up the reference.  I honestly get the impression that most network execs in the US are probably a bit afraid of a show that might alienate thier audience by trying to be too smart, or too different.  There is no doubt in my mind, had the creators of shows like "The Office" or "Life on Mars" pitched their ideas to NBC or FOX originally, those showes would never have seen the light of day.   Doctor Who is a wonderful show... The sci fi channel turned it down when asked if they wanted to reair it originally...  Thank god for broadband :)

Niels and Fraiser, the characters are a bit childish, but usualy only about unimportant things.  They have that sibling rivelry aspect that is used to show that while as individuals they are pretty much the odd man out, when together they have their own little chiche.  One man dressed in a star fleet uniform, is a freak, but two men together dressed that way, it's a convention. :)  Myself, I like the engish accents (not just the cut glass one either), but I know I wouldn't have picked up the error in Daphne's origions based on her accent.  Nice to know I am not the only one who does that.

The social status between the father and sons, I think was done very well, since it shows that here are a couple of men, who are now very upper class, yet their morality is based more in the working class individual.  I think it helps with the character development of the the two main characters as well.  While they have the airs of poshness, at their core, they are their fathers children.  In that light, it is easy to see why Niels and Daphne aren't an "odd" couple, and hence avoids the whole cliche of the rich posh prince marrying the common uncouth girl in the street.

Friends *laugh* my younger brother and his wife live in New York City.  He is a CPA, she is a nurse practitioner... both professionals, and they can't afford to live in that apartment :)  Hell, their little 500 sq foot place was costing something like 1500 or 1800 a month... I forget exactly.  I lost interest in friends years and years ago.

One final sort of off note, and I wish someone could explain this to me...  Why do british shows, that are funny, and good, need to be remade for american television?   It's pretty damn close to the same language, and the few differences are easy enough to figure out based on context and dialog.  So there are only 6 or 8 episodes, who cares.  I guess some people would just be confused, and scared if that were happen... they might even turn off the television :)

Ok, been rambling on for a while.. this is what happens when I bike 18 miles without first getting lunch or breakfast :)


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RE: situation comedy - 5/3/2007 7:04:14 PM   
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MASH gets my vote as all-time favorite, with All In The Family a really close second.  Night Court was great in its day.  Scrubs is my current favorite.

What's really funny is how hilarious we thought Welcome Back Kotter was when I was in high school.  We'd talk about that show at school the next day, and we all wanted to be sweathogs and imitate Arnold Horschaaaaaack.  Oooh!  Oooh, oooh, oooh!  Years later, when they started running it on some cable channel, probably Nick at Night, I made my kids sit down and watch it, telling them how hysterical it was going to be.  It was so boring!  I couldn't believe it....did we really think this was so freaking funny? LOL

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RE: situation comedy - 5/3/2007 7:05:33 PM   
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Exactly, because that is so unusual  when a Brit is imported to take a part.on an American TV programme. I just wondered if it was a deliberate ploy by the show's producers and if the American audience recognised it. ie the background of Daphne.

Unfortunately I dont think she is a very good actress buts thats a different point.

Does accent in the US reveal as much as it does in the UK ? Its a stock comedy situation in the UK where characters  try to adopt a "posh" accent and fail miserably.


In the show she was from Manchester, had a bit of a 'scouser' accent. In reality she has a fairly refined accent. I like the working class one she used on the show better.

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