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RE: House/Senate Funding Bill really screws Bush. - 4/24/2007 1:28:51 PM

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Well, considering Bush's stunted emotional growth ( e.g.: The way he's throwing this temper tantrum because Congress is finally doing their job and not rubberstamping his request for yet MORE MONEY on top of what he's already been given... ) It wouldn't surprise me that he's not sophisticated enough to understand how real adults think.

SAYING you're "Making Progress" isn't good enough. Here are milestones you need to hit.

If it's TOO HARD for you George, just ADMIT YOU DON'T HAVE WHAT IT TAKES TO DO THE JOB!

It's like the guy is cranky and needs a nap!

My 3 year old acts the same way.

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RE: House/Senate Funding Bill really screws Bush. - 4/24/2007 5:04:12 PM

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ORIGINAL: farglebargle

Well, considering Bush's stunted emotional growth ( e.g.: The way he's throwing this temper tantrum because Congress is finally doing their job and not rubberstamping his request for yet MORE MONEY on top of what he's already been given... ) It wouldn't surprise me that he's not sophisticated enough to understand how real adults think.

SAYING you're "Making Progress" isn't good enough. Here are milestones you need to hit.

If it's TOO HARD for you George, just ADMIT YOU DON'T HAVE WHAT IT TAKES TO DO THE JOB!

It's like the guy is cranky and needs a nap!

My 3 year old acts the same way.

[discussion with Congress.]

AnencephalyBoy "Gimme! Gimme! Gimme!"

Congress "We dont want to give you any more money."

AnencephalyBoy "We are making progress."

Congress "What progress are you making? What are your plans? What are your successes?"

AnencephalyBoy throws a tantrum and refuses to answer.

[/discussion with Congress]

True, but does your 3 year old admit he/she doesnt have what it takes to do the job?

Self-awareness is found at a later stage of emotional maturity. I am not a professional or anything, but I would bet dollars to donuts that AnencephalyBoy's emotional development was arrested around the terrible twos.

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p.s. According to some of the posters on here, they must think that this sort of discussion explains the difference between the methodology that Conservatives (throwing a tantrum) and Liberals (Ask for more information) use the political process.

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RE: House/Senate Funding Bill really screws Bush. - 4/24/2007 5:19:43 PM

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I find it laughable. COnservative bigots who resort to name calling when someone disagrees with their spin on the details.

So, more men have died bring peace to Iraq (including Iraq's) then died during Saddam's rule. More Americans have died in the war then in the 8 years before the war.. (Duh.. in the 8 years before, there was no war).

At what point do we tell ourselves that we should get out of the civil war we caused when we took the stablisation force (Saddam) out of the picture?

If you kill the law and order (even if corrupt like Saddam was), and you don't replace it, then you have what we have in Iraq. Unrest.

thank You for Your logic!!

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RE: House/Senate Funding Bill really screws Bush. - 4/24/2007 8:04:46 PM

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The will of the people is not to surrender, the will of the democrats is surrender, it has been their policy for 100 years.

Not to put too fine a point on it, but you might want to consider:

First World War - Woodrow Wilson, Democrat
Second World War - FDR, Democrat
Korean War - Harry Truman, Democrat
Vietnam War - LBJ, Democrat
Balkan Intervention - Bill Clinton, Democrat

Excluding Vietnam above, in each of the above examples, there was strong resistance to going to war, from the Republican party.

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RE: House/Senate Funding Bill really screws Bush. - 4/24/2007 8:27:39 PM

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General Response ...

I think President Bush should sign the bill.

At first, I somewhat agreed with the idea that setting a firm timetable was a disaster waiting to happen. I didn't quite go as far as the "date we will surrender" thinking ... but I could see that point, from where I was.

The more I think about it, the more the deadline is starting to make sense ... mind you, I said starting.

It tells our troops and our public, that there is a real end-game in place.

If our opposition over there really wants us gone, you would think they would be peaceful, until the time comes. If they continue towards violence (my guess would be that violence would escallate significantly), we would know what the real agenda is, and what to expect when we do actually leave.

This being the case, if other Arab nations really want the Iranians to have control over Iran ... they will sit and do nothing. If they don't want that, which I would suspect to be the case, they would work towards a solution.

Just discussion points. Flame away if you must. After the deaths in my house over the past week, flames really mean nothing.

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RE: House/Senate Funding Bill really screws Bush. - 4/24/2007 8:47:54 PM

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Great post, caitlyn.

I agree with you. I think we should leave. I really dont have much hope for a good outcome when we do. On the other hand, I dont have much hope for a good outcome if we stay.

Feel free to read the following article entitled "Leaving Iraq, The Grim Truth"

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/13710030/leaving_iraq_the_grim_truth

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RE: House/Senate Funding Bill really screws Bush. - 4/25/2007 6:27:21 AM

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The example of Vietnam will be turned around to point to what happened there to the people after we left and the images of helicopters being dumped into the ocean, and the embassy being evacuated will be shown. I could be wrong, but there is a huge block of voters who don't want to see those same images in Iraq. They wont vote for a party who solicited surrender and losing; even if both are correct.

You're wrong.

With all your supporting evidence and argument it is impossible to disagree. I stand corrected.

Fellas, the only reason that millions (billions?) of dollars and tons of war materiel are dumped in the ocean is that it is cheaper to build new than to transport and re-ready that well used shit.

No more to it than that.

Ron

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RE: House/Senate Funding Bill really screws Bush. - 4/25/2007 12:57:13 PM

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I'm not real happy with either Bush or Congress. I'm so god damn sick and tired of this partisan BS. I really am. So is America. If you look at the polls, people are just as much dissatisfied with Congress as they are with Bush. So who they blame when this bill fails??? BOTH!!

First you got one hell of a stubborn president. Then you got a congress that seems to be more concerned with their far left base than the rest of America. Then you got a Senate Majority Leader claiming "the war is lost." And they are determined to pass a bill, that they have been working on for the past...what...3 months??? that will be vetoed anyway. And we are back to square one.

I'm tired of it...

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RE: House/Senate Funding Bill really screws Bush. - 4/25/2007 1:04:55 PM

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ORIGINAL: caitlyn

General Response ...

I think President Bush should sign the bill.

At first, I somewhat agreed with the idea that setting a firm timetable was a disaster waiting to happen. I didn't quite go as far as the "date we will surrender" thinking ... but I could see that point, from where I was.

The more I think about it, the more the deadline is starting to make sense ... mind you, I said starting.

It tells our troops and our public, that there is a real end-game in place.

If our opposition over there really wants us gone, you would think they would be peaceful, until the time comes. If they continue towards violence (my guess would be that violence would escallate significantly), we would know what the real agenda is, and what to expect when we do actually leave.

This being the case, if other Arab nations really want the Iranians to have control over Iran ... they will sit and do nothing. If they don't want that, which I would suspect to be the case, they would work towards a solution.

Just discussion points. Flame away if you must. After the deaths in my house over the past week, flames really mean nothing.

I wonder what would happen in 1942 if Congress passed a war resolution that stated that the war must end within a year and only X amount of money can be spent.
We would be speaking German or Japanese.

Anyone that thinks you can put a timetable on a war is a freaking idiot. This isn't football or some kind of game with a clock counting down. This is war. There is no clock. You can't predict anything. You can plan, you can make strategy. But you cannot say that we have to have victory by such-and-such time. War does not work that way because the battlefield and the situations change each and every day.

The Constitution states that the President of the United States (no matter how stupid he may be) is the commander-in-chief of the United States armed forces. NOT THE CONGRESS! Congress declares war and that's it. They don't run the war. They don't create the strategy. If the Congress believes that the President has failed, they can opt to impeach him and throw him out of office.

This stuff about de-funding the war may not work, and it may not even be constitutional. It has never been done before. Every other time the US has been involved in war, the congress was 100% behind the president....even during Vietnam. It wasn't congress that pulled the troops out...Nixon pulled them out.

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RE: House/Senate Funding Bill really screws Bush. - 4/25/2007 2:18:56 PM

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"Congress declares war and that's it. "

Yup. And since they DID NOT, your comparison to a real war is unwarranted.

This is Bush's Folly. And it's time for him to either SOLVE IT or ADMIT HE CAN'T.

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