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Aslanemperor -> RE: Masterbation causes death? (4/21/2007 12:00:41 PM)

I have to say that if this where true I would have died years ago.  I Masturbate multiple times a day when I'm single, and even when I have a woman to take care of my sexual needs, sometimes it just feels better to take care of it myself.  After all, no one knows how to give me a handjob like me...



MasterGremlin -> RE: Masterbation causes death? (4/21/2007 12:32:29 PM)

I went to the link and punched in Masters age and how often He masterbates and it told me this:
From our statistics, young people who have excessively masturbated may stunt their growth. Over masturbation can drain your body of testosterone, which is a factor in body growth and bone density.
 
Common symptoms of over masturbation include premature ejaculation and fatigue. Our Over Masturbation Resource Center has listed symptoms of over masturbation and its remedies. Masturbation is a healthy sexual behavior. However, it must be regulated and controlled so it does not affect the body and other areas of your life.
 
Wow, I'll have to tell Him so He knows that instead of being 6' tall He should have been 10'9" and that instead of taking an hour or two to orgasm, it should be taking Him 7 or 8.  [sm=biggrin.gif]
 
Seems to me that they are just trying to sell some stupid herbal stuff by scaring weak minded people...and lord knows there are alot of those out there.
 
Sincerely,
minxy [:)]



Missokyst -> RE: Masterbation causes death? (4/21/2007 3:14:18 PM)

I forgot.. what is this thread about?
Ky.. .. kyst



stockingluvr54 -> RE: Masterbation causes death? (4/21/2007 4:48:15 PM)

I just KNEW there was a reason I need that CB9000 device (or whatever it's called)........ dayum!



His1kitten -> RE: Masterbation causes death? (4/21/2007 4:51:56 PM)

[:D]  Oh man, this was the second best laugh of the day I had!  



SirStephan55 -> RE: Masterbation causes death? (4/21/2007 5:01:54 PM)

Vey funny! Putting in even once a week says I am slightly over. Can't imagine anyone would ever take this seriously.



Petronius -> RE: Masterbation causes death? (4/21/2007 5:15:29 PM)

Sadly, that type of material isn't coming from the Lone Nut, but can be found in a certain section of the right's propaganda machine.

The technique is to put a pseudo-scientific gloss on various social issues opposed or supported by the right.

We see it here with masturbation. We see it elsewhere with abortion, or pot, or birth control.

In non-sexual areas we see it with global warming and with evolution.

(And, no, it isn't from the entire right. It's from a "certain section" as I wrote, normally rooted in some type of authoritarian fundamentalist Christianity.)



stockingluvr54 -> RE: Masterbation causes death? (4/21/2007 5:18:29 PM)

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ORIGINAL: His1kitten

[:D]  Oh man, this was the second best laugh of the day I had!  


OK....I'll bite...what was the first....??????



ExSteelAgain -> RE: Masterbation causes death? (4/22/2007 3:01:31 AM)

Nahhh, masturbation won't hurt ya, but if it had said getting a blow job while driving, I may have agreed.



WhiplashSmile -> RE: Masterbation causes death? (4/22/2007 1:10:56 PM)

So if masterbation causes all this, I guess sex does as well.  I wonder how many minutes you shave off your life for each orgasm. ;^)  



Amaros -> RE: Masterbation causes death? (4/22/2007 1:41:26 PM)

Many of these symptoms, should they occur, are most likely the result of Zinc depletion. Zinc is present in large quantities in male ejaculate, something to do with proper fertilization, and the amount of Zinc present does not diminish with successive ejaculations like sperm count.

Zinc, of course, is an important neurotransmitter, and Zinc depletion can cause cognitive deficits, and has even been associated with anti-social behavior and learning disabilites.

Not a problem for women, as far as I'm aware.

I haven't run down all the references cited, but as far as I know, masturbation actually increases testosterone levels, it doesn't diminish them - most research I'm familiar with indicates that sexual activity of any sort is better for you than none - lack of sex is more likely to result in erectile dysfunction than excessive masturbation, and can even be a factor in prostrate dyfunction or cancer in men "use it or lose it" was one doctors advice.

Women tend to lose tone and elasticity in their Vaginal muscles when they are not used, a condition known as "senile Vagina", and it's roughly the equivilent of erectile dysfunction in men.

I'd not be too suprised if a lot of these researchers turned out to have adgendas - the first one, Meyer/Cheng,
reports masturbatory behavior in very young children: I'm very curious about what their sample might be, and how they managed to acertain this.



CrimsonMoan -> RE: Masterbation causes death? (4/22/2007 2:58:38 PM)

If this would be true I would have died before graduating high school and so would everyone i know personally. Hell Every trucker in the us would be dead. its only too much if it gets you in trouble. as  for getting blown while driving If you can drive efficiently while getting head s/he ain't doing it right. and I have seen a few driver on the recieving end who managed to stay on the road.

As for real propoganda look at the bible. Can't remember the book chapter and verse but I remember the line "Tis better to spill your seed into the belly of a whore than upon the ground"

Of course the above means its only a sin to masturbate if you are a guy because chick don't have seed to spill  *^_^*



Aswad -> RE: Masterbation causes death? (4/22/2007 3:54:00 PM)

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ORIGINAL: MagiksSlave

Sounds like religouse propaganda to me... "If you Masterbate you'll go blind" something along those lines, doesnt it?


Yeah.

I'm willing to cede a theoretical possibility of a persistent decrease in testosterone, although it would require some pretty ... olympic effort, I imagine.

Eye floaters, though, that's left-over protein in your vitrous fluids or somesuch, which is clearly unrelated, for instance, which diminishes the credibility.

Also, I'm not aware of any connection between increased frequency of orgasm and increased dopamine-β-hydroxylase activity, which is the pathway for the dopamine-norepinephrine-epinephrine conversion. Besides, that pathway is limited by ascorbate as a cofactor. And to get any significant systemic increase in epinephrine would presumably require significant amounts of L-phenylalanine and/or L-tyrosine, as these are rate limiting factors in the initial synthesis, and this stage is already operating at 75% of capacity under normal conditions.

The British Medical Journal had an article that indicated two or more orgasms per week corresponded to a halved ten-year mortality rate for men of ages 45-59, according to WP, while sex thrice a week or more was associated with halved incidence of cardiovascular events. Don't know about women, but I doubt it's any more negative for them.

Increases in acetylcholine are, IIRC, only relevant insofar has you have a cholinesterase deficiency or somesuch, which would present itself as generalized anxiety or panic anxiety in most cases, according to an Israeli study.

Naturopaths are notorious for not having their facts straight, so given the source, I'd be very skeptical.



Aswad -> RE: Masterbation causes death? (4/22/2007 4:02:46 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: MasterGremlin

Over masturbation can drain your body of testosterone, which is a factor in body growth and bone density.


IIRC, the conversion of testosterone to estradiol is how it impacts bone density, and for an adult male, its effects on maintaining muscle mass are more important than those that have to do with body growth. FWIW, my testosterone was down to almost nothing for a while, due to iatrogenic hyperprolactinemia (which is the worst-case scenario for their proposed mechanism of action in this regard, and not a very credible scenario), and the estradiol levels were perfectly normal.

quote:

Common symptoms of over masturbation include premature ejaculation and fatigue.


Premature ejaculation I haven't a clue about. Never had that problem, even with levels that would be normal for a woman of the same age as myself. Fatigue, yes, but that's no surprise, and easily dealt with by applying androgel or a patch. They're just peddling their wares. The only non-drug supplement shown to increase testosterone, AFAIK, is zamak, which is a patented formula.

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Wow, I'll have to tell Him so He knows that instead of being 6' tall He should have been 10'9" and that instead of taking an hour or two to orgasm, it should be taking Him 7 or 8.


Actually, make that 6'6" and about 20 seconds, if we're to go by what they say. [:D]
 
quote:

Seems to me that they are just trying to sell some stupid herbal stuff by scaring weak minded people...and lord knows there are alot of those out there.
 
I always get pissed off at snakeoil merchants trying to pass themselves off as naturopaths and those naturopaths who swallow their lies and propagate them unknowingly. There's lots of herbal stuff out there, like digitalis, hypericin, atropine, reserpine, salicyclic acid, dronabinol, morphine, and so forth, that works and has legitimate uses, but too many people are just peddling snake oil.



Aswad -> RE: Masterbation causes death? (4/22/2007 4:12:14 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Amaros

Zinc, of course, is an important neurotransmitter, and Zinc depletion can cause cognitive deficits, and has even been associated with anti-social behavior and learning disabilites.


Zinc is not a neurotransmitter, although it is relevant in brain development during pregnancy. Depletion can indeed cause impairment, although I'm not aware of any association with antisocial behaviour and learning disabilities.

It's also easy to replenish. The usual test, if you're not looking for a blood workup, is to take a spoon of e.g. Dia Zink, which is a liquid suspension or somesuch. If it tastes brackish, keep taking the recommended dose once a day until it tastes metallic. Otherwise, assume your levels are okay unless the doctor tells you otherwise.

quote:

I haven't run down all the references cited, but as far as I know, masturbation actually increases testosterone levels, it doesn't diminish them - most research I'm familiar with indicates that sexual activity of any sort is better for you than none - lack of sex is more likely to result in erectile dysfunction than excessive masturbation, and can even be a factor in prostrate dyfunction or cancer in men "use it or lose it" was one doctors advice.


I'm not sure about this. I haven't done the research in-depth, but a friend of mine that's taking a biochemical approach to bodybuilding noted that masturbation can have a slight negative effect. The health benefits outweigh it, though, and if one suspects there's an issue, the doctor can do a simple blood workup, and if you're deficient, you simply add a little bit, or use something like Cabaser (cabergoline) to supress prolactin.

quote:

I'd not be too suprised if a lot of these researchers turned out to have adgendas - the first one, Meyer/Cheng, reports masturbatory behavior in very young children: I'm very curious about what their sample might be, and how they managed to acertain this.


Presumably by observing them. People do sometimes observe children for research purposes. The phenomenon appears common, although I haven't done any in-depth research on the topic, having no interest in masturbatory behaviour in anyone but my very own self. They might have an agenda, or it might be scientific curiosity. It's also a surefire way to get ostracized, as the CSA crowd goes ballistic at anything suggesting that their wee 'uns might have something in common with other primates.



Aswad -> RE: Masterbation causes death? (4/22/2007 4:21:50 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: CrimsonMoan

As for real propoganda look at the bible. Can't remember the book chapter and verse but I remember the line "Tis better to spill your seed into the belly of a whore than upon the ground"


Which translation was this? There are a lot of editions out there, and some make more interesting blunders than others. Like the bit about translating morning star differently for Lucifer than for Jesus.

As for prostitutes, they have to make a living, too. Encouraging men to hire their services isn't necessarily a bad thing. Yes, people often turn to prostitution because their situation is crappy, particularly in areas where it's illegal (in Norway, there are regular housewives who do a few clients a week to get an extra USD 300K or so tax-free income per year, and are happy with that), but removing their income isn't going to make their problems go away, there's still a reason why they turn to it in the first place, and if you want to help them, you have to act on those problems. Hiring their services is helping out, although not as much as giving them the money (for those that would accept it) with no strings.



barefootprincess -> RE: Masterbation causes death? (4/22/2007 4:27:44 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: MasterGremlin

I went to the link and punched in Masters age and how often He masterbates and it told me this:
From our statistics, young people who have excessively masturbated may stunt their growth. Over masturbation can drain your body of testosterone, which is a factor in body growth and bone density.
 
Common symptoms of over masturbation include premature ejaculation and fatigue. Our Over Masturbation Resource Center has listed symptoms of over masturbation and its remedies. Masturbation is a healthy sexual behavior. However, it must be regulated and controlled so it does not affect the body and other areas of your life.
 
Wow, I'll have to tell Him so He knows that instead of being 6' tall He should have been 10'9" and that instead of taking an hour or two to orgasm, it should be taking Him 7 or 8.  [sm=biggrin.gif]
 
Seems to me that they are just trying to sell some stupid herbal stuff by scaring weak minded people...and lord knows there are alot of those out there.
 
Sincerely,
minxy [:)]



   Back seat of a car in high school..

"Oh sweetheart, my balls will turn blue if you dont let me put it in" Or some such sillieness....*s*



HutchGarahl -> RE: Masterbation causes death? (4/22/2007 4:37:40 PM)

WAIT! Self masterbation is something i've only just gotten into over the past couple of years. Now they're telling me i've gotta stop or i'll die!?!?!  SHOOT! Good thing I don't listen to doctors or i'd be in a wheelchair. BAH! What do they know?



fadeddreams -> RE: Masterbation causes death? (4/22/2007 4:42:49 PM)

Ok, two things...one: Does that mean that too much sex will also stunt growth, and cause premature death?  If so, how much is too much????

Two:  umm forgive the umm Spelling lesson, but it's Masturbation...not Masterbation....unless of course you are a Master and you do it a lot....

*rolls on the floor laughing



HutchGarahl -> RE: Masterbation causes death? (4/22/2007 4:47:02 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: fadeddreams

Ok, two things...one: Does that mean that too much sex will also stunt growth, and cause premature death?  If so, how much is too much????

WHA!?!  Then I would say most of us in here should be dead by now. That's a good question. :P

Two:  umm forgive the umm Spelling lesson, but it's Masturbation...not Masterbation....unless of course you are a Master and you do it a lot....

*rolls on the floor laughing


LOL! Yup...ya got me on that one. I didn't even realize I had spelled it wrong. But then, since i'm famel can I call it Mistressbation? :D



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