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RE: Pity Bush? - 4/18/2007 4:41:47 PM

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Yes, I see things in a very partisan fashion when the preceding President, a democrat, caused a lot of what we are dealing with now to happen either from his neglect, his sexual predelictions or out and out incompetence. I see things in a very partisan fashion when the leader of the democratic party, Dean, Pelosi, Boxer, Clinton and Biden want to appease enemies that are sworn to kill us.

What do you disagree with Bush over? Do you disagree with invading Afghanistan? Do you disagree with him over invading Iraq? I'm too tired of listening to this pathetic drivel to go back and repost the 20 or so terrorist plans that were made on this country that were thwarted during the Bush administration.

Here...read a couple of books. This one is a good one "War Against America" written by Laurie Mylroi who was Clinton's handpicked expert on Iraq. It is a SCATHING indictment of Clinton and it gives you a very nice idea of the type of enemy we will be fighting for at least the next 10-20 years. Woolsey, former director of the CIA wrote the forward which is also a scathing indictment of the man you found so charismatic. Read "The Iraq War" by John Keegan which sets forth in brilliant detail why we and the Brits invaded Iraq. Keegan is a Brit with no allegiance to the U.S. and his book makes it PAINFULLY clear, to all but the complete obtuse, what our justifications were for invading Iraq. Now I know some of you think you are a great deal smarter than John Keegan (perhaps the foremost military historian alive today) but, shucks, why don't you check it out anyway.

Yeah...I pity Bush. I pity Bush for being the leader of this new crop of Americans that bear no resemblance to those called "the greatest generation."

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RE: Pity Bush? - 4/18/2007 4:50:49 PM

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I'm not a Bush supporter or a Republican, but I have to admit I feel a strong sense of pity when I hear the man speak. It's like I feel embarassed for him because he just sounds so incoherent all the time. Anyone else have that feeling when he talks, regardless of whether you think he's right or wrong?

I feel embarrassed for any on-stage comic with a stone-faced audience.

I begin to suspect this is a fundamental weakness/vulnerability on my part.

...not as if I can effect it

Edited to add:
GAH: effect... affect... ya get my meaning

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RE: Pity Bush? - 4/18/2007 4:55:26 PM

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I'm not a supporter of President Bush either, but do feel sorry for him at times.

I seriously doubt this was what he had in mind for his time in office. I believe he looked at the financial state of the nation at the time President Clinton left office, and measured it against the situation in Texas after Mark White and Ann Richards. Governor Bush was able to accomplish much here, by spending money gathered by other people. It was easy for him to build bridges with the other party, when he had so much pork to pass out. I think this is what he had in mind for his term as President.

I think he has done an aweful job ... one of the worst Presidents in our history, in my view. I can make that statement without even considering Iraq, which I believe was a mistake that former Vice President Gore would have also made, had he won the election. He is bankrupting our nation, and we have gone eight years, without really addressing any serious domestic problem. The illusion that we have a vibrant economy, is just that ... and economy built on borrowing money that future administrations (not to mention tax-payers) will have to pay back.

I don't think President Bush was/is up to the job, and is highly influenced by people that could never get elected on their own. I feel his is being manipulated by people who have love of self, over love of country.

So yes, on some level I feel sorry for him.

R.I.P. Molly Ivins... but Texas was so very glad to see the back of Bush... at least before his true destructive power as Dictator became apparent

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RE: Pity Bush? - 4/18/2007 4:57:08 PM

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Bush knew what the job entailed, and in my opinion is a great example of the American Dream, because if a simple-minded, ignorant, inarticulate moron like him can be elected into the most powerful office in the country (on paper anyway) then there's hope for everyone.

Pity him? No. If anything I pity America, who has to endure this laughing stock as their figurehead in the same way we in the UK have to be represented on the world's stage by a lying, shameless freeloader who has systematically eroded almost everything good about the country over the last ten years, and who now walk away seen as the worst Prime Minister since time began (but who won't give a shit because he'll walk into some lucrative book deal or lecture circuit while the rest of the country has to suffer for his incompetence).

erm... so long as such be born to wealth... so fair warning: choose thy parents wisely!

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RE: Pity Bush? - 4/18/2007 9:03:13 PM

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Oh hell! I thought this was a sympathy sex thread.

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RE: Pity Bush? - 4/19/2007 12:15:54 AM

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Pity him? No. If anything I pity America, who has to endure this laughing stock as their figurehead in the same way we in the UK have to be represented on the world's stage by a lying, shameless freeloader who has systematically eroded almost everything good about the country over the last ten years, and who now walk away seen as the worst Prime Minister since time began (but who won't give a shit because he'll walk into some lucrative book deal or lecture circuit while the rest of the country has to suffer for his incompetence).

Bush, Blair, Chirac, Berlusconni etc etc. Who said democracy was a good idea?

I can't believe Blair won one election never mind three, it was so obvious the man had no moral backbone and no substance from the outset. While blind and fixed ideology is a bad thing, politicians need an ideological foundation to their politics to guide their programme. Politicians who want power for power's sake are always going to fuck things up because the only interest they have is towards themselves and their cronies. People who voted for the above should not be allowed to vote until they have been back to elementary school for ten years.

Not that there were any great choices to make and there won't be as long as politics has been taken out of politics and replaced with market management.

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RE: Pity Bush? - 4/19/2007 2:00:49 AM

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Damn, so close! I was hoping this would about about "Bity Bush" (in "A Girl and Her Fed" http://agirlandherfed.com/comic/?0).

Yeah, I pity the fellow. He's a good man. I pity most people, really. Everyone's trying their best to make it in this life despite crippling ignorance.

I've been in college for about nine years now, starting when I was a little guy. I thought myself to be so bright- what eleven-year old wouldn't? The thing I've learned most about life is how incredibly stupid I am. At best, I'm a particularly bright amoeba, but I'm afraid even that's an exageration.

The true tragedity is that we are forced to move- to spend ourselves- before we even have half a clue of just what the hell anything is, let alone what we want.

We're all idiots, in everything we do in this life. I can't hold this man responsible for not pulling out a global peace plan out of his ass this morning anymore than I can hold myself responsible for failing to explicitly solve for pi over the past three years (the latter of which I contend is possible).

If he's really an idiot, he's there because someone else put him there, and he's a pawn believing he's done the best he can. If he's not, then he's doing the best he can, despite the ludicriously difficult position.

There are too many fabled great yet manipulative leaders who play the role of bumbling idiots as to avoid fire for unpopulation yet necessary decisions for one to make a judgement so lightly. It's a good story to sell, but he won the greatest office in the history of mankind- if everyone buys this story, then it's only further testiment to its potentency.
I am of the opinion that there is more than meets the eye. Either way, though, I feel no need to complain in opposition to the only viable path. He will be President for the remainder of the term. It will happen. One is free to dislike it, but is himself a determent when he whines instead of seeking how to make the best of it.

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RE: Pity Bush? - 4/19/2007 2:13:10 AM

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Have you ever turned down a position you didn't feel qualified for, even if the offer was flattering? I have. I have felt sorry for him, yes. On the other hand, his responsibilities involve more than many jobs - he's got the most important job in the country, some would say....

I think he ran due to some family legacy and political pressure, and also it is very ego flattering to be asked to run for that office for many. I am sure there were many idiots with their own agendas, convincing him he was perfect for the job. I get that, but I still think maybe there are other options, even in that case. Like saying "No, thanks". Colin Powell did, for instance.

But hey, they say never judge a man until you've walked a mile in his moccassins, so I don't know really, what to say.

- Susan

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RE: Pity Bush? - 4/19/2007 2:44:07 AM

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I don't pity him. I'd like to see him take a long walk off a very, very short pier.

It seems as though quite a bit of the rest of the world either hates, fears, laughs at and/or has pity for the U.S. I've heard from most of my friends that when they travel abroad they keep their point of origin a secret except when dealing with officials or customs. Admittedly six or seven friends does not make for an ideal poll.

Some of the Americans that go overseas to protect and serve are coming back in caskets. Others are coming back crazy. And others still are coming back with pieces of themselves blown away. In my opinion, YMMV, they're coming back from a place they never should have been in the first place.

I anticipate that domestic violence rates and suicides will climb in the next five to fifteen years. I know ~ pure speculation. But I keep hearing about how people coming back from war aren't getting proper care... aren't getting enough care. How many brains will turn into time bombs? How many spousal abuse cases will have a troubled, former military man or woman being the aggressor?

Pity him? Our own village idiot? Not a chance.

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RE: Pity Bush? - 4/19/2007 4:14:29 AM

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This world has a population of 6.6 billion. I believe it's a safe assumptions ot say that a good portion of those dislike President Bush. Let's give a very generous estimate of only 1% disapproving of him- just to empathesis the validity of my point.

1% of 6.6 billion is 6.6 million. 6,600,000 people.

Now, say 6,600,000 people started talking shit about you. And you're in the world's most demanding job. Would you spend most of your time fending off the major arguements of 6,600,000 people, trying to have some semblence of a will to stand up for yourself, or would you do your job, regardless?

It's so, so easy to insult his policy decisions. And, with so many people doing it (and, let's be honest, it's probably more than 1%, or 6,600,000 people), how could he operate in his position? How can he possibly defend bitterly made decisions to which there's no "right" answer?

You say men have come back in body caskets. Any idea how many thousands of times more lives could've been saved if people spent the time going to give blood instead of ineffectually whining about the state of leadership?
You know the troops could have the best reasonable body armor available if everyone gave a penny for each time they bitched?

This. World. Sucks. It always has. There was no golden age. People have been killing and raping since the beginning of time, and no man in no office in the world right now can do shit to change it.

I don't know if the man is doing a great job or not. I haven't studied the issues, and I'm fucking sick and tired of bastards who watch a couple of hours of news a week and think that they have some semblence of an idea. I do know, though, he's doing something, and that's more than I can say for the bitches.

PS- I know the vets of Iraq. I've dormed with some of them. Some of them are my friends. I've had family that's gone to Iraq. My best friend's gone to, and come back from, Iraq. Bush sent them to war. They don't hate them. They tell me about the good the troops do there. How the troops can't fix everything, but how they make the differences in the lives of others. How they can't end the strife and conflict, but how they build something each day. How they hate coming home and seeing "lazy fucks" doing nothing but whining about the people who are trying to do something.
They don't argue that Bush is doing everything. They don't argue that the generals are. They don't argue that they did, that they made all the best decisions.
But they're fucking trying.

I suppose it's obvious, but, to make it clear- I hate people who bitch but haven't done anything.

And, seriously, the next idiot who thinks the war in Iraq's over oil, declare it. State it. Directly. In a response. Tommorow night, when my exams are over, I'll post so many statistics that go against your assumptions that you'll have no way to worm out of it. It's such a fucking dumbass idea, and I can't believe people buy that shit.

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RE: Pity Bush? - 4/19/2007 5:13:17 AM

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ORIGINAL: selfbnd411

I'm not a Bush supporter or a Republican, but I have to admit I feel a strong sense of pity when I hear the man speak. It's like I feel embarassed for him because he just sounds so incoherent all the time. Anyone else have that feeling when he talks, regardless of whether you think he's right or wrong?

Well the good news is, you dont have to feel embarassed or pity him because he's just a sock puppet. Its the
ventriloquist who should be embarrassed. He just needs to practice more

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RE: Pity Bush? - 4/19/2007 9:08:06 PM

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Oh hell! I thought this was a sympathy sex thread.

Just because the Retardplicans voted in a Dick, a Bush, and a Colon?

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RE: Pity Bush? - 4/19/2007 9:12:46 PM

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You say men have come back in body caskets. Any idea how many thousands of times more lives could've been saved if people spent the time going to give blood instead of ineffectually whining about the state of leadership?

Thank you for emotionally categorizing my sentiments in opposition to the Iraq Debacle as "whining."

I donate platelets. Instead of whole blood every 56 days, I can donate every 2 weeks.

I already pay taxes, why the hell do I have to also buy body armor for troops being sent to Iraq? Seems to me that an intelligent "Commander In Chief" would not put his soldiers in harms way without the best protection.

Since you support the war, can I assume you will be receiving Any Marine letters while you are in country? Or are you one of those armchair apologists for the administrations idiocy?

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RE: Pity Bush? - 4/19/2007 10:06:07 PM

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May I introduce you all to the Peter Principle - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_principle

"In a hierarchy every employee tends to rise to his level of incompetence."

I would extend this to suggest that in political hierarchies, once incompetence is established, the organisation must promote the individual ever further to disguise the error in judgement.

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PS: Pity Bush? Only that the hubris with which his blunder was fueled has trapped him (and the rest of the world) in an untennable situation. One of the most cringing moments for me was watching him do the Mission Accomplished strut. I kept thinking - you are soooo going to regret this... soon.

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RE: Pity Bush? - 4/19/2007 10:33:33 PM

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You say men have come back in body caskets. Any idea how many thousands of times more lives could've been saved if people spent the time going to give blood instead of ineffectually whining about the state of leadership?
You know the troops could have the best reasonable body armor available if everyone gave a penny for each time they bitched?

One man's whining is another man's dissent. Too bad "whining" about Bush is punishable with ostracism, blacklisting, harassment and the ever present possibility of disappearing into the legal hell of the "enemy combatant".

If Bush hadn't lied to Congress and the People, their kids wouldn't be needing any body armor or body bags. If the fight isn't about oil and it couldn't be about WMD's, it must be about freedom and democracy, right? But since I have already been called a liar and an idiot in another thread, I'll bite - It's all about OIL, I say!

Bring on the stats.

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RE: Pity Bush? - 4/19/2007 10:40:47 PM

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As an Independant I don't really "pity" Bush I just don't like any of his policies.
Nor did I like Clinton's policies.
Two DUDS and they both went to Yale! lol

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RE: Pity Bush? - 4/19/2007 10:41:34 PM

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I wish I could find the study that indicated Dubya's IQ was low enough for him to be considered of Sub Normal Intelligence... which is the medical definition of 'moron'.

If your IQ is below 90 (average is supposed to be 100), you can be clinically diagnosed as an idiot... Dubya's is supposed to be hovering around that mark, somewhere in the range of 87 to 94

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RE: Pity Bush? - 4/20/2007 6:30:30 AM

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I wish I could find the study that indicated Dubya's IQ was low enough for him to be considered of Sub Normal Intelligence... which is the medical definition of 'moron'.

If your IQ is below 90 (average is supposed to be 100), you can be clinically diagnosed as an idiot... Dubya's is supposed to be hovering around that mark, somewhere in the range of 87 to 94

Here you go. Enjoy!

http://www.vdare.com/Sailer/kerry_iq_lower.htm

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RE: Pity Bush? - 4/20/2007 7:28:19 AM

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I wish I could find the study that indicated Dubya's IQ was low enough for him to be considered of Sub Normal Intelligence... which is the medical definition of 'moron'.

If your IQ is below 90 (average is supposed to be 100), you can be clinically diagnosed as an idiot... Dubya's is supposed to be hovering around that mark, somewhere in the range of 87 to 94

Here you go. Enjoy!

http://www.vdare.com/Sailer/kerry_iq_lower.htm

All this proves is that a persons IQ isn't ideal for measuring intelligence.

Wrong enemy, wrong country, wrong war.

Or wasn't geography, history and current affairs Bush's strong points?

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RE: Pity Bush? - 4/20/2007 7:40:53 AM

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Or wasn't geography, history and current affairs Bush's strong points?

As a cheerleader, I believe his main concern was which dreamy hunk of a REAL MAN would give him their load.

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