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Reviving "old protocols"??? - 3/27/2007 8:33:01 AM   
mistoferin


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Status: offline 		At the local munch the other night, someone mentioned that there is a new group that is trying to get members who are interested in reviving and living the old protocols. This peaked my interest so I inquired further and asked what exactly was meant by that. The person responded that the group wanted to attract people who are interested in going back to the way things were when this all first started.....the days when slaves could not use furniture. You know...the times when they were kept naked and not allowed to speak. Yadda, yadda, yadda......

I think I must have missed something. These must have been the protocols that were laid out in that handbook that came with the secret decoder ring from one of those secret European Houses.

Do you think that these ideas of "how it was" come from ignorance? The internet? Influences of Gor? How does this stuff get perpetuated as being accurate?

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RE: Reviving "old protocols"??? - 3/27/2007 8:36:41 AM   
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Status: offline 		I think it comes from a fantasy in the person's brain.  And is fed by others in chatrooms.   I doubt that many of them have real time experience.




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RE: Reviving "old protocols"??? - 3/27/2007 8:41:08 AM   
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ORIGINAL: mistoferin
Do you think that these ideas of "how it was" come from ignorance? The internet? Influences of Gor? How does this stuff get perpetuated as being accurate?


I think it came from watching too many horrible BDSM porns.

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RE: Reviving "old protocols"??? - 3/27/2007 8:41:56 AM   
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ORIGINAL: KatyLied
I think it comes from a fantasy in the person's brain.  And is fed by others in chatrooms.   I doubt that many of them have real time experience.

Ditto, reinforced by modern gender stereotypes.

I know protocol is a big kink for a lot of people and I wish them well in enjoying it, but it's funny when a group of people into protocol start arguing over which protocol to abide by :)

I doubt many people in Europe had the pleasure of being naked at any point any more than we do now (except perhaps on some delicious Greek island).

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RE: Reviving "old protocols"??? - 3/27/2007 9:24:21 AM   
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I know protocol is a big kink for a lot of people and I wish them well in enjoying it


I agree. I just don't think it's right for them to try to tell people that those protocols are the way it began or was intended to be. I also don't understand why some would buy into it. Why? Because some Dominant told me so???



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RE: Reviving "old protocols"??? - 3/27/2007 9:30:26 AM   
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Status: offline 		I think it's part of this odd drive in some people to thing historical precedents for what they do. I don't get it, even as a historian I do not understand it.

I can't say I have a very positive opinion of folks like that.

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RE: Reviving "old protocols"??? - 3/27/2007 9:39:22 AM   
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ORIGINAL: mistoferin


I think I must have missed something. These must have been the protocols that were laid out in that handbook that came with the secret decoder ring from one of those secret European Houses.



Okay I picked myself back off the floor and the laughter is finally under control.  I dont understand these "old protocals" many cultures were allmost identical to the D/S culture we have today back in oh lets say the 1750's or so and what we have today I think is more of a throw back from back then with a few sexual twists in it.  Would the submisive that is unwilling to sit on the floor all weekend naked with a collar getting fucked however way there doms want please stand up!!! .... hmmmmm. dont think there are many standing subs out there.   Its whatever the dom wants and if the "protocals" have changed any in the past three hundred years or so its there own weekness and inability to play a good game.  Most subs would fit perfectly in society several hundred years ago and that ware I would go to find these "missing" protocals... read a few diaries. It can never be that way again of course because we have laws now.  So I guess we just have to put up with limiting ourselves to the woman who voluntarily throw themselvese at our mercy instead of  pulling a piece a meat out from the masses. I just cant survive the limitations of this society....LOL


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RE: Reviving "old protocols"??? - 3/27/2007 9:46:48 AM   
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Status: offline 		When I think of reviving "Old Protocols" and "Traditions", my mind goes directly to "Earning Leathers" and a snippet of something I read about a "Capping Ceremony".  Probably not on topic at all, but.....Damnit.  Where's Archer when ya need him?

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RE: Reviving "old protocols"??? - 3/27/2007 10:17:16 AM   
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Status: offline 		LOL TheShadows I was thinking along those lines too. As you know my Sir is high on protocol. He loves the grace that it shows in his slaves. But never once has he kept us naked for all to use. Yes furniture is a privilege heck everything is a privilege and if we screw up we lose privileges. When in public at events and such we are not allowed to use furniture unless specifically told we can. I would love to here from those who were brought up in the old traditions of what it was like to live them in reality. BTW my Sir learned this lifestyle in Europe. But he is also realistic as to the concerns of day to day life.

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RE: Reviving "old protocols"??? - 3/27/2007 10:17:48 AM   
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ORIGINAL: mistoferin

At the local munch the other night, someone mentioned that there is a new group that is trying to get members who are interested in reviving and living the old protocols. This peaked my interest so I inquired further and asked what exactly was meant by that. The person responded that the group wanted to attract people who are interested in going back to the way things were when this all first started.....the days when slaves could not use furniture. You know...the times when they were kept naked and not allowed to speak. Yadda, yadda, yadda......

I think I must have missed something. These must have been the protocols that were laid out in that handbook that came with the secret decoder ring from one of those secret European Houses.

Do you think that these ideas of "how it was" come from ignorance? The internet? Influences of Gor? How does this stuff get perpetuated as being accurate?


Aw man... I hope this doesn't survive. I hate trying to kink my back into that funky Egyptian walk. The last time I did that shit some damn bum showed making a few demands and blew him off. Well the shit really hit the fan! Frogs, boils and sores, River of blood... who knew?
 
I am real careful with the bums now. I fuk'n kill them right off!

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RE: Reviving "old protocols"??? - 3/27/2007 10:21:56 AM   
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Status: offline 		When I first clicked this thread I thought it might be about folks who wanted to incorporate history into their kinks and might use the Ottomans, ancient Greeks or Roamans or other societies as role models. But this is far amusing than that. Thanks, erin!

quote:

How does this stuff get perpetuated as being accurate?

All it takes is one blowhard trying to impress others, and a few go along pretending they are "in the know" along with a couple of wide eyed newbies thinking that learning this is part of their initiation. The sad part of this is that if this group does indeed revive what they imagine to be old protocols, they will perpetuate their foolishness  to others who may think they have a clue. On one I applaud their efforts to form a group so they can separate themselves from normal folks, and on the other hand I think it would be good to wait until they all get together so they can be locked in there forever.



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RE: Reviving "old protocols"??? - 3/27/2007 10:28:18 AM   
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Status: offline 		Protocol is as protocol does. Basically meaning that whatever works in a relationship is dandy in that relationship.... but I am not sure I see a point in having a group devoted to "the old" ways. There was simply not one set way at any given time. A person can teach another what they themselves were taught but they cannot categorically state what "society" was for there was no established bdsm society as such, only pockets of people making contact as they could. Each had its own protocol and I am sure they fought about what was right then too 

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RE: Reviving "old protocols"??? - 3/27/2007 10:31:32 AM   
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Generally speaking, for me, I think protocols are important in a TPE, Maste/slave releationship.  okay so who makes up the list and what...is another thing.  Yes, Gor does have some good ones.
 
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RE: Reviving "old protocols"??? - 3/27/2007 10:37:09 AM   
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All it takes is one blowhard trying to impress others, and a few go along pretending they are "in the know" along with a couple of wide eyed newbies thinking that learning this is part of their initiation.


quote:

I think it comes from a fantasy in the person's brain.  And is fed by others in chatrooms.


I suspect these are probably the roots. 


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RE: Reviving "old protocols"??? - 3/27/2007 11:00:32 AM   
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Status: offline 		I like protocols with clear differentiation between the Dominants and submissives in a gathering. I enjoy being in a group setting where it is clear who is who. But "old protocols" is difficult because it would depend on how "old" one is going and in what situation. "Old" as in the 'good-ole-days when I first started out'  is different from "old" as in the fantasy novels I read a couple of weeks ago.

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RE: Reviving "old protocols"??? - 3/27/2007 11:40:27 AM   
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Status: offline 		I like the old protocal of sending 50 bucks to the 16th poster on any list thread.
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RE: Reviving "old protocols"??? - 3/27/2007 12:07:13 PM   
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Status: offline 		These ARE some examples of "how it was"...decades ago and mostly in the gay community. Cars used to be cranked and we used to write with fountain pens, too. These aren't negative things...in fact, they can be beautiful. What I oppose most is the notion that "the past did it better". No, the past did it different. Following the protocols of days gone by is cool...condemning those that don't isn't.

I'm regularly in company where slaves sit on the floor, are naked and don't speak unless spoken to. I've also seen when Masters have received their caps. I've seen and given gifts of leather. These things, to me, are beautifully traditional, just like a classic wedding ceremony or a kid getting their first car.

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RE: Reviving "old protocols"??? - 3/27/2007 12:10:40 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Missokyst

I like the old protocal of sending 50 bucks to the 16th poster on any list thread.
Kyst


Um... you were misinformed. It is the 10th poster.

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RE: Reviving "old protocols"??? - 3/27/2007 12:13:51 PM   
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Status: offline 		I dont think it is feasable but what happened to each to their own?

I'm shcoked the do'gooders of these boards have not jumped on you yet for telling people how they should live and they should scene....

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RE: Reviving "old protocols"??? - 3/27/2007 12:20:50 PM   
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Status: offline 		New old protocol, so old none of you have ever heard it.......buried in some dusty old romanian vault, castle dungeon, high on a mountain top, surrounded by briars, guarded by not one but TWO dragons.

Send the EvilBitchQueenoftheUniverse (aka LaT, LeeAnn) ALL YOUR CHOCOLATE EASTER BUNNIES NOW!

P.S. If they are missing any ears SHE reserves the right to sic the hungry dragons on you.


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