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STD vaccines should be mandatory - 3/26/2007 5:44:36 PM

defiantbadgirl

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I think the HPV vaccine and any future vaccines that protect against STD's should be mandatory in all states. I understand that the idea of abstinence is important to many Christian parents, however; teaching children abstinence before adulthood and/or marriage does not offer adequate protection against HPV or other sexually transmitted diseases. The fact is, abstinence offers no protection against nonconsentual rape or infidelity. I'm interested in hearing the opinions of others on this issue.

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RE: STD vaccines should be mandatory - 3/26/2007 5:48:56 PM

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I think that an um should be given the facts and make his/her own decision. What is the youngest age recommended for the vaccine? I know it has to given before they are sexually active.
We do enough things to our kids without their consent. I would not be comfortable forcing this on my child. I would probably recommend it if he/she asked my opinion.
There is no long term study regarding these vaccines, that may give some parents pause. That is my biggest concern about the vaccine.

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RE: STD vaccines should be mandatory - 3/26/2007 5:57:02 PM

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I think I would insist on the vaccine whether my child wanted it or not. Statistics show that infedelity occurs at some point in 80% of all marriages. Statistics show that 75% of the population is infected with HPV at some point in their lives.

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RE: STD vaccines should be mandatory - 3/26/2007 5:59:52 PM

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And what if it's learned ten years from now that these vaccines cause a host of other medical issues? I'm with Katy...not enough research on the effects yet for me to be comfortable with giving them to my ums.

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RE: STD vaccines should be mandatory - 3/26/2007 6:11:25 PM

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I think the HPV vaccine and any future vaccines that protect against STD's should be mandatory in all states. I understand that the idea of abstinence is important to many Christian parents, however; teaching children abstinence before adulthood and/or marriage does not offer adequate protection against HPV or other sexually transmitted diseases. The fact is, abstinence offers no protection against nonconsentual rape or infidelity. I'm interested in hearing the opinions of others on this issue.

Of course.

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RE: STD vaccines should be mandatory - 3/26/2007 6:11:26 PM

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Governments shouldn't force people to put things in their bodies.

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RE: STD vaccines should be mandatory - 3/26/2007 6:14:40 PM

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YEH! YEH! Mandatory!

i think anyting unhealthy should be mandatory too! like over weight, smoking, eating trans fats, and on and on, all should be mandatory that we cannot do them either.

Smoking and very high-risk viruses pose greater danger for cervical cancer patients

By Gwen Ericson

Sept. 8, 2005 -- Cervical cancer patients infected with either of two strains of human papillomavirus (HPV) were twice as likely to die of their disease as patients with other common strains of HPV, making these strains very high-risk forms of the virus, according to a study at Washington University School of Medicine in St. Louis. In addition, members of this group who smoked increased their risk of death even further.
Smoking can increase the risk of death from cervical cancer.

Nearly all cervical cancers are associated with HPV infection of the cervix, which is now recognized as the major cause of cervical cancer. (Note, however, that only a small fraction of women with HPV infection of the cervix actually go on to develop cervical cancer.)

http://mednews.wustl.edu/tips/page/normal/5689.html

http://volokh.com/posts/1171172423.shtml

lots of reasons fr it to be mandatry! go go!

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RE: STD vaccines should be mandatory - 3/26/2007 6:16:39 PM

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It is easy for a government to meddle with mandatory vaccines. The people that suffer from Gulf war syndrome were vaccinated. They trusted their government. Do you?

In any case: the hepatitis virusses are another of the sexually transmitted diseases for which good vaccines exist, and that cause lots of medical problems. Truly frightening.

Abstinence and fidelity is the best protection against disease. Especially young people are vulnerable because of short lived relations. Perhaps it should be made mandatory to not have more than one partner every ten years. That would deal such diseases a hard blow.

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RE: STD vaccines should be mandatory - 3/26/2007 6:19:11 PM

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It is easy for a government to meddle with mandatory vaccines. The people that suffer from Gulf war syndrome were vaccinated. They trusted their government. Do you?

In any case: the hepatitis virusses are another of the sexually transmitted diseases for which good vaccines exist, and that cause lots of medical problems. Truly frightening.

Abstinence and fidelity is the best protection against disease. Especially young people are vulnerable because of short lived relations. Perhaps it should be made mandatory to not have more than one partner every ten years. That would deal such diseases a hard blow.

yeh and how many people did those OOOPS tainted vaccines kill in africa?

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RE: STD vaccines should be mandatory - 3/26/2007 6:24:58 PM

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I'm with you on this one, RealOne. Sky diving kills people, ban that. Ban snorkeling, too. Certain sex acts are dangerous, especially if not done properly - right? Should the Government be charged with safeguarding every moment of our lives, from cradle to grave like it's some mad nanny from hell?

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

YEH! YEH! Mandatory!

i think anyting unhealthy should be mandatory too! like over weight, smoking, eating trans fats, and on and on, all should be mandatory that we cannot do them either.

Smoking and very high-risk viruses pose greater danger for cervical cancer patients

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RE: STD vaccines should be mandatory - 3/26/2007 6:39:20 PM

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Abstinence and fidelity is the best protection against disease. Especially young people are vulnerable because of short lived relations. Perhaps it should be made mandatory to not have more than one partner every ten years. That would deal such diseases a hard blow.

If I had a teenage daughter who contracted genital warts through rape, I wouldn't want to have to explain that this could have been prevented if only I had gotten her vaccinated. Plenty of faithful partners have contracted STD's through cheating partners. A friend of mine contracted the virus when her husband cheated and had a difficult time finding a guy who was willing to be with her because of it. With an 80% rate of infedelity rate in marriages, it's too risky not to get the shot. I'd get vaccinated myself if I wasn't past the age limit.

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RE: STD vaccines should be mandatory - 3/26/2007 7:03:13 PM

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Governments shouldn't force people to put things in their bodies.

Unless it's the Domidong.

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RE: STD vaccines should be mandatory - 3/26/2007 7:04:35 PM

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Better save some money and bribe a physician to give you the shot in any case.

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RE: STD vaccines should be mandatory - 3/26/2007 7:15:50 PM

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I think the gov't has it's nose in way too much shit it has no business being in already. I don't need more mandatory bullshit and mandatory or not, people do get around it and avoid it.

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RE: STD vaccines should be mandatory - 3/26/2007 7:31:57 PM

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There is an age limit for it? hmm, that seems odd.
Anyway, no i don't believe it should be mandatory. I think that it should be discussed with the children and they can make their own opinion.
The autism rate is now 1 in 150. Why is that?? We do not know the effects of what we are putting into our bodys.
People should have a choice.
This Is a free country, isnt it?

Edited to add :
defiantbadgirl, you say you do not want to have to explain if you teenage daughter gets raped and contracts genital warts that it could have been prevented if you had gotten her vaccinated. I don't understand why you would have to explain anything to her if you discuss the option of it before hand and let her make the decision. And what happens when it comes out that this vaccine ends up having very negative effects, now you have to explain to her why you didnt give Her the decision to make, and why you were so quick to allow it to be injected into her. Bad things happen, but i think we have to really think about the odds of something happening before preparing for it to happen. You shouldnt even let her leave the house, that man that may rape her, might just kill her.

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RE: STD vaccines should be mandatory - 3/26/2007 7:36:23 PM

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It used to be. I really wonder anymore if it still is.

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RE: STD vaccines should be mandatory - 3/26/2007 8:14:40 PM

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In theory this sounds like a practical methos to help prevent people contracting STDs including HPV. In reality I do not believe it will make any significant contribution. Mainly because there will always be a percentage of the world's population who for reasons of their own, don't take a more active responsibility for their own actions. When it comes to personal health and STDs, it will always be that individual person's responsibility over their own health and to a certain extent their sexual partner(s) health also.
Yes I do take an active role regarding my health in this area. I have voluntarily got vaccinated against many STD's which have vaccinations against (Hep A & B), and I also make a point to get a yearly blood test for all the common STDs and HIV. When I am beginning a new relationship, I make a point to get tested before we become intimate. It only makes sense to protect my future sexual partner and stay aware of my own heath.

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RE: STD vaccines should be mandatory - 3/26/2007 8:29:15 PM

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Are any of you people in the united states of America ?

Yes, perhaps the goveernment should do research and make recommendations, but to mandate drugs ? That is inconcionable to me.

That is so far removed from what our way of life should be it staggers the mind. People didn't pay attention to the vaccines for ten years as thimerosal was pumped into their babies bodies en masse. It took the autism rate to get up to 1 in 150 for them to take it out. Now they have an age block, also an identified, targetable block of voters to which to pander. All mentally defective. Look at our "leader", makes sense doesn't it ?

The whole thing is sickening. If you have an autistic kid born in the last ten years or so, you should be suing Morton-Thiakol and the US FDA.

This is all too much. I am going to take my bath and wash this off of me. These people are nastier than you ever thought, and you don't see it because you do not have that greed, that sense of avarice to be that nasty. You think because you are a good person they are too, well you are wrong.

The vaccine might be a good thing, but to make it mandatory is just plain wrong.

To the OP, if I have a kid I reject your favorite vaccine, should I be put in jail for trying to protect my child ? I swear, I might just go build a log cabin in the woods somewhere.

But the real point is, the OP thinks it is a good idea, so it should be mandatory ? Who the hell is s.......

Never mind.

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RE: STD vaccines should be mandatory - 3/26/2007 8:52:13 PM

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I'm with you on this one, RealOne. Sky diving kills people, ban that. Ban snorkeling, too. Certain sex acts are dangerous, especially if not done properly - right? Should the Government be charged with safeguarding every moment of our lives, from cradle to grave like it's some mad nanny from hell?

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

YEH! YEH! Mandatory!

i think anyting unhealthy should be mandatory too! like over weight, smoking, eating trans fats, and on and on, all should be mandatory that we cannot do them either.

Smoking and very high-risk viruses pose greater danger for cervical cancer patients

i am sure it makes some people feel loved and others feel secure :)

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RE: STD vaccines should be mandatory - 3/26/2007 9:00:11 PM

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ORIGINAL: defiantbadgirl

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ORIGINAL: Rule

Abstinence and fidelity is the best protection against disease. Especially young people are vulnerable because of short lived relations. Perhaps it should be made mandatory to not have more than one partner every ten years. That would deal such diseases a hard blow.

If I had a teenage daughter who contracted genital warts through rape, I wouldn't want to have to explain that this could have been prevented if only I had gotten her vaccinated. Plenty of faithful partners have contracted STD's through cheating partners. A friend of mine contracted the virus when her husband cheated and had a difficult time finding a guy who was willing to be with her because of it. With an 80% rate of infedelity rate in marriages, it's too risky not to get the shot. I'd get vaccinated myself if I wasn't past the age limit.

Just because..... The current HPV vaccine doesn't protect against the strands of HPV which cause warts... it only protects from 3 of the strains that we have identified out of the 80 plus mutations. I think it will create a false sense of security and promote more sexually risky behaviour among teens. (who are already the largest demographic of new cases contracting HIV in the US since 2000, due in part (imo) to the idea that if they get infected it's no big deal cause it can be managed with meds)
I am not sure if mandatory vaccines are responsible for the rise in Autism or if it is due to older people having children later in life or even the fact that we are keeping better records and are more aware of the various classifications of Autism, so that we are more alert to what we preceive as an upswing in those numbers.... either way, we do not know enough about the possible long term effects on us. Illness use to be the human races means to population control and in alot of ways the medical field is solely prompted by financial gains, it is the rare health care provider that actually cares about the health and well being of their patient. (imo)

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