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RE: STD vaccines should be mandatory - 3/26/2007 9:04:03 PM   
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Status: offline 		No no...it should be mandatory because the government knows what is best for us.  I heard that someone in Washington proposed that girls' tubes be tied from the age of 8 until the age of 21 to cut down on unwanted pregnancies.  I think his/her point was that it takes a village to raise a child (as opposed to a set of parents).  All I know is that government control is a good thing.  They only want to help...right?? 

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RE: STD vaccines should be mandatory - 3/26/2007 9:30:21 PM   
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The current HPV vaccine doesn't protect against the strands of HPV which cause warts... 
The current vaccine offers 70% protection against genital warts.
I think it will create a false sense of security and promote more sexually risky behaviour among teens. (who are already the largest demographic of new cases contracting HIV in the US since 2000, due in part (imo) to the idea that if they get infected it's no big deal cause it can be managed with meds)
The vaccine is only approved for children and young adults. They can get the shots and still be taught abstinence. Meanwhile, the vaccine will protect them if they are raped or have a cheating spouse when they get older. The rate of infedility (80%) is too high to risk not getting the shot.
I am not sure if mandatory vaccines are responsible for the rise in Autism or if it is due to older people having children later in life or even the fact that we are keeping better records and are more aware of the various classifications of Autism, so that we are more alert to what we preceive as an upswing in those numbers.... either way, we do not know enough about the possible long term effects on us. Illness use to be the human races means to population control and in alot of ways the medical field is solely prompted by financial gains, it is the rare health care provider that actually cares about the health and well being of their patient. (imo)
The rise in Autism was caused by thimerosal, a mercury componant they used to put in vaccines which has now been removed. Parents are unable to sue because President Bush added a provision to the Homeland Security Bill that prevented it. Kind of funny that so many conservatives are against an STD shot that contains no thimerosal, but the conservative president was the one who screwed autistic children and their families out of just compensation.

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RE: STD vaccines should be mandatory - 3/26/2007 9:48:25 PM   
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"The rise in Autism was caused by thimerosal, a mercury componant they used to put in vaccines which has now been removed. Parents are unable to sue because President Bush added a provision to the Homeland Security Bill that prevented it. Kind of funny that so many conservatives are against an STD shot that contains no thimerosal, but the conservative president was the one who screwed autistic children and their families out of just compensation. "

Do you really think they did not know what was going to happen when they put the thimerosal in ? They knew exactly what was going to happen. But when they have a heavy influence on the FDA and the CDC, and apparently W, or whoever, what did you think would happen.

I am smart, I want others to be smart. To me that says I am a good person. They are smart, but they want others to be stupid, or somehow handicapped mentally. What does that say about them ?

Gitshore eyes open, soon.

T

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RE: STD vaccines should be mandatory - 3/26/2007 10:41:04 PM   
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Status: offline 		There is no scientific evidence suggesting a link betwen any kind of vaccination and autism. All such claims have been very convincingly debunked.

The HPV vaccine doesn't have an age limit per se. What the manufacturer recommends is that sexually active people not get the vaccinations as they are likely to have been exposed to one or another strain of HPV already and the vaccine will be of no benefit.

Teens or pre teens should get the vaccine simply because cervical cancer is a lethal and hard to treat cancer. In the clinical trials the vaccine had no substantial side effects and so far, more than 10 years since first testing on humans, there is no indication of any sort of long term effect either except, of course, those vaccinated are dieing from cervical cancer at a far lower rate than the general populace.

If I had a female UM of the right age I would definitely get her vaccinated.

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RE: STD vaccines should be mandatory - 3/27/2007 12:08:55 AM   
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A doctor with like five kids had an autistic one. They decided to test for many things, among them mercury. Remember the mad hatter ?

The children of the same two Parents had an interesting .......I'll just say it.

The normal children had all kinds of mercury in their hair and skin, etc. The autistic one did not.

This doctor, not seeing the signs did not draw the right conclusion. They said "It can't be mercury because the kid doesn't have mercury in the hair". Someone with a brain caught wind of it and said pretty much "It is because their system handles mercury differently. In some it gets held in the bloodstream long enough to be excreted in sweat and whatever else, in others it is absorbed into the organs". Note that the brain is an organ.

THEY KNEW, and they dragged their feet until not only evidence piled up, but even waited longer.

Welcome to a generation of born mad hatters.

What most good people do not realize is that others are not always like them. The people who rule the world are not good people, but good people have a hard time with that. They are not like us, and they do have a bit of a problem with reality. We are talking people who never had to deal with a problem in their life. Other than 'sign here', they are useless.

So, why could one doctor figure it out and another couldn't  ? About the mercury. Why ?

T

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RE: STD vaccines should be mandatory - 3/27/2007 2:49:59 AM   
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Status: offline 		I'm not keen on the idea.
Some one else said what if in 10 years they find these vaccines cause other problems
Was there not some thing like this back in the 60's some type of shot or pill they gave to
pregnant women only to find out 20 yrs later it did more harm than good.

What if the vaccine doesnt work for some one- but because they got the shot- they don't even try to be careful anymore thinking they are safe

I vote no

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RE: STD vaccines should be mandatory - 3/27/2007 2:57:52 AM   
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Status: offline 		We wouldn't be able to get anyone to make vaccines if sue-happy lawyers had their way, and so of course it's a part of Homeland Security. Don't wonder why drugs cost so much, and why health care is in "crisis" mode.

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Parents are unable to sue because President Bush added a provision to the Homeland Security Bill that prevented it.

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RE: STD vaccines should be mandatory - 3/27/2007 3:14:17 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

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ORIGINAL: Sanity

I'm with you on this one, RealOne. Sky diving kills people, ban that. Ban snorkeling, too. Certain sex acts are dangerous, especially if not done properly - right? Should the Government be charged with safeguarding every moment of our lives, from cradle to grave like it's some mad nanny from hell?

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

YEH! YEH!  Mandatory!

i think anyting unhealthy should be mandatory too!  like over weight, smoking, eating trans fats, and on and on, all should be mandatory that we cannot do them either.

Smoking and very high-risk viruses pose greater danger for cervical cancer patients



i am sure it makes some people feel loved and others feel secure :)


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RE: STD vaccines should be mandatory - 3/27/2007 7:48:55 AM   
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Status: offline 		The government has no place forcing people to take drugs that may be harmful. Make sure  all her boyfriends fear you and her father. They should be scared enough to not even consider a sexual move on her. Tell her what is and isn't acceptable behavior from a boyfriend, and that she owes him NOTHING even if he bought dinner and took her to a movie. He owes her a pleasant evening just for going out with him. There's nothing bad about being a virgin, at leasst through your teens - for girls or boys.
 
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RE: STD vaccines should be mandatory - 3/27/2007 9:46:38 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Sanity

Governments shouldn't force people to put things in their bodies.


agreed!

i want that decision left up to me - i'm mother and legal parental guardian of my 2 UMs not the govt. it's like requiring UMs in the state of IL from 0 to 18 to have a mental examination along with their checkups.  i think not! they're happy and leading normal lives ...don't need a doctor who has no UMs telling me - they're depressed and/or ADHD.  sorry about the rant but as a parent, i don't need the govt telling me how to raise my UMs thank you very much.


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RE: STD vaccines should be mandatory - 3/27/2007 10:05:16 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or

DK;

A doctor with like five kids had an autistic one. They decided to test for many things, among them mercury. Remember the mad hatter ?

The children of the same two Parents had an interesting .......I'll just say it.

The normal children had all kinds of mercury in their hair and skin, etc. The autistic one did not.

This doctor, not seeing the signs did not draw the right conclusion. They said "It can't be mercury because the kid doesn't have mercury in the hair". Someone with a brain caught wind of it and said pretty much "It is because their system handles mercury differently. In some it gets held in the bloodstream long enough to be excreted in sweat and whatever else, in others it is absorbed into the organs". Note that the brain is an organ.

THEY KNEW, and they dragged their feet until not only evidence piled up, but even waited longer.

Welcome to a generation of born mad hatters.

What most good people do not realize is that others are not always like them. The people who rule the world are not good people, but good people have a hard time with that. They are not like us, and they do have a bit of a problem with reality. We are talking people who never had to deal with a problem in their life. Other than 'sign here', they are useless.

So, why could one doctor figure it out and another couldn't  ? About the mercury. Why ?

T

I'll keep telling people until they actually listen. No vaccine, including those with thimerosal, has any established linkage to autism rates.
http://www.autism-watch.org/general/thio.shtml

The apparent spike in autism rates in the US has more to do with how states classify children under a federal program called Individuals with Disabilities Education Act (IDEA).
http://www.autism-watch.org/general/edu.shtml

Now unless you have something more than unsourced anecdotes and paranoia stop spreading this claim. Vaccininations have greatly decreased childhood mortality and I personally would not care to see a return of polio etc.

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RE: STD vaccines should be mandatory - 3/27/2007 11:52:18 AM   
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Status: offline 		No it shouldnt be mandatory.

Its not my right to tell others what to do with their lives. 

For me, by the time my wee one is old enough - they should have all the kinks worked out.  (IE possible side effects)

and yeah, she's definetly going to get vaccinated.  If new STD vaccinations pop up - i'll worry about those then.  Hopefully in the next 10 years they'll have the majority of the problems covered and solved. 

If they can figure out how to get a man's penis hard........ they should be able to figure out how to properly vaccinate ppl.  I'm hoping 10 years is enough for them to get their shit together. 

IF not........ i'll worry about it then = )


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RE: STD vaccines should be mandatory - 3/27/2007 11:57:40 AM   
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Was there not some thing like this back in the 60's some type of shot or pill they gave to
pregnant women only to find out 20 yrs later it did more harm than good.


Thalidomide?
DES?

Those two medications come to mind.  Both recommended, both given with dreadful results.


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RE: STD vaccines should be mandatory - 3/27/2007 12:55:45 PM   
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ORIGINAL: KatyLied

quote:

Was there not some thing like this back in the 60's some type of shot or pill they gave to
pregnant women only to find out 20 yrs later it did more harm than good.


Thalidomide?
DES?

Those two medications come to mind.  Both recommended, both given with dreadful results.



Thalidomide's problems were apparent as soon as the child was born not 20 years later. A horrible tragedy and what is more horrible is the drug company that makes, not made makes, the drug continues to try and find ways to sell it. Most recently as a "treatment" for leprosy.

DES and othe non steroidal estrogens do have very well documented negative effects, primarily on children whose mothers took the hormone while pregnant. Since the major negative side effect was the DES daughters having pregnancy complications it did take better than 20 years for negative effects to become known.

The thing to take away from DES and thalidomide is not to distrust any new medical treatment but to be very careful of taking any medication during pregnancy.

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RE: STD vaccines should be mandatory - 3/27/2007 12:59:42 PM   
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Status: offline 		Ahh yes another lets remove people freedom of choice. Instead of eduicating them, lets just force everyone to do something. Freedome of choice is so over rated. Especialy when its for your own safety and well being.

Off soap box.

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RE: STD vaccines should be mandatory - 3/27/2007 1:11:27 PM   
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Ahh yes another lets remove people freedom of choice. Instead of eduicating them, lets just force everyone to do something. Freedome of choice is so over rated. Especialy when its for your own safety and well being.

Off soap box.

Let's take a basic example, my own parents. A pair of alcoholics who neglected my brothers and I just as much as the law allowed. When I registered for first grade I clearly remember my mother arguing with a woman I came to know as the school nurse. Afterwards I was taken to the county clinic and received a bunch of shots.

Years later I had cause to acquire all of my medical records and upon checking something else out I came to the pages documenting that day. What all those shots were was every vaccination I was required to have to enter school. After further checking I found no evidence I had received any vaccination from between the age of 6 months and 6 1/2 years.

I was lucky and not exposed to any of those potentially lethal pathogens but exactly why should other children be put in that situation or worse never receiving any innoculations? To protect the "freedoms" of the parents?

Sometimes it is simply good public policy to protect everyone by requiring something of everyone, even the neglectful, ignorant or individualistic..

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RE: STD vaccines should be mandatory - 3/27/2007 1:51:30 PM   
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I would take the vaccine over cervical cancer for my daughters any day.  We aren't talking about warts here, we're talking life-threatening cancer. Also those that aren't vaccinated may unknowingly spread HPV to others, since most who are infected have no idea they have it.  We aren't just talking about teen sex, this if for a lifetime.  I contracted a non-wart variety of HPV that can cause cancer from someone who swore they were clean.  Fortunately it was detected by a pap smear before developing into cancer and my treatment was successful, but I wouln't wish that on anyone.  I wish they had had the vaccine when I was a teenager.

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RE: STD vaccines should be mandatory - 3/27/2007 2:18:46 PM   
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Status: offline 		Vaccination should not be mandatory.

Where would it lead the logical decendant of compulsory vaccination against STD is reversible sterilization to avoid unwanted/inconvienient  pregnancies


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RE: STD vaccines... - 3/27/2007 2:39:00 PM   
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Status: offline 		To some degree there is the fundamental issue of whether one trusts the pharmaceutical industry in bed with politicians and unknown other (position of power) interests, to belive in either the efficacy or goodwill of those who would mandate such. When something is mandated it ought first of all be FREE... but even then, one ought consider there might be a bit of Orwellian (or pick your villain) cross purpose 'behind the curtain'.

I opt for education and persuasion over abuse of the legal system. Haven't we absurdly too many and meddlesome 'laws' as it is?

A matter of faith, previous and personal history, applies here. "Some" do not altogether trust government as having the best interests of the average individual at heart.

As an aside, I would comment re: the recent pet food recall; pets dying from poisionous food... the same "bad wheat" which was killing pets (wheat from China), was also sold to "people food" manufacturers... just saying; we live in a world where motive matters.
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RE: STD vaccines should be mandatory - 3/27/2007 3:07:54 PM   
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Vaccination should not be mandatory.



i agree completely.  with a caveat.  all people who refuse to immunize their children should be required to sign a binding agreement that should their child be infected with any disease they declined immunization for, they will be required to pay CASH UP FRONT for any medical care their child needs as a result.  if you can't privately pay, take your crippled or dying baby home.  it was your choice.

my relatives live in an extremely impoverished country in eastern europe.  running water is a treat.  in the past 10 years they have had outbreaks of polio, viral meningitis, diptheria, west nile encephalitis, and measles.  have you ever seen your relatives die from any of these..along with an entire community?   

we are lucky to have the option to keep our children and our country safe from these diseases that were prevalent here 100 years ago.  why are they gone?  immunization programs.  if you don't want immunizations for your children, don't take them.  let's ship them off to other counties who are BEGGING for them but have little-to-no access. 

but understand, if you choose not to vaccinate your children, these diseases will re-enter the united states.  and the children who will suffer are those who aren't immunized.  that's fine with me if it's fine with you.  this world is far too overpopulated. 


**edited because it sounded as though i myself live overseas.  i was raised in the u.s.

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