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Recruiter Freaks Out on Gay Man... - 3/26/2007 12:46:23 PM

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http://www.nj.com/printer/printer.ssf?/base/news-3/1174888546111830.xml&coll=3

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Sgt. Ramode: My name is Marcia Ramode, and I am United States Army recruiter. I saw your resume on career builder and we have lots of vacant positions in Logistics, Administration...If interested please give me a call at my toll free number.

Andrew: Awesome! Sounds great! The US Military has so many vacant positions and opportunities. I had no idea. I'm seriously considering contacting you. One thing, I'm not up on current politics but since its 2007, I would imagine also that I am now able to serve in the US military as an openly gay man, right?

Ramode: WELL IF YOU ARE GAY WE DON'T TAKE YOU. YOU ARE CONSIDERED UNQUALIFIED.

Andrew: Wow! Unqualified to serve my country just because I'm gay? It's because they think I might all of a sudden desire one last kiss from my fellow male solider if ever facing death at the hands of the enemy in a fox hole, isn't?... Funny, the US Government doesn't mind taking my "gay" dollars every tax season or out of my paycheck every two weeks. I'm stunned that the US ARMY could afford to be so choosey when I see sergeants on my school campus and in the local shopping Mall...begging teenagers to enlist.

Ramode: YOU ARE DEFINITELY UNQUALIFIED, NOW TAKE YOU GAY SELF SOMEPLACE ELSE WE DO NOT TOLERATE GAY PEOPLE LIKE YOU IN ANY PART OF THE MILITARY. AND IF IT BOTHERS YOU PAYING TAXES THEN MIGRATE TO ANOTHER COUNTRY.... AND IF IT BOTHERS YOU ABOUT THE US MILITARY RECRUITING THEN YOU GO TELL THE BOARD OF EDUCATION .... AND IF YOU DON'T LIKE THE RECRUITERS RECRUITING IN FRONT YOU HIGH SCHOOL THEN COMPLAIN TO THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OR BETTER YET TRY COMPLAINING TO MAYOR BLOOMBERG AND SEE WHAT HE HAS TO SAY... YOU SHOULD SAY THANK YOU MILITARY PEOPLE FOR WHAT YOU DO SO THAT YOU CAN LIVE A FREE LIFE IN THIS COUNTRY. FREEDOM IS NOT FREE.

And it becomes yet even more embarressing after that.

These people perfectly illustrate why the Army doesn't have any Honor, and therefore isn't worthy of Respect.

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RE: Recruiter Freaks Out on Gay Man... - 3/26/2007 12:48:32 PM

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Damn, maybe this recruiter missed the headlines on waivers.

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RE: Recruiter Freaks Out on Gay Man... - 3/26/2007 1:22:29 PM

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The recruiter acted poorly, yes. But I do know people who have served
in the U.S. military who are tolerant and accepting of gay
and lesbian comrades. Also, I was trained as an HIV educator
and tester by a gay man who had served in the U.S. military

So I disagree with the blanket statement that the Army has no
honor and is not deserving of respect.

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RE: Recruiter Freaks Out on Gay Man... - 3/26/2007 1:24:46 PM

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quote:

So I disagree with the blanket statement that the Army has no
honor and is not deserving of respect.

You and I simply have differing opinions about what an organization must do to protect its honor and credibility.

The fact that the ORGANIZATION tolerates the presence of such dishonorable people, brings dishonor to the organization.

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RE: Recruiter Freaks Out on Gay Man... - 3/26/2007 1:27:17 PM

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Well, how about a wait and see approach. This happened fairly recently.
Perhaps the recruiter's senior officers will respond to the situation.

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RE: Recruiter Freaks Out on Gay Man... - 3/26/2007 1:28:03 PM

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I think there should be gays only in the military.

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RE: Recruiter Freaks Out on Gay Man... - 3/26/2007 1:29:22 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Vendaval

Well, how about a wait and see approach. This happened fairly recently.
Perhaps the recruiter's senior officers will respond to the situation.

The ONLY response is dishonorably discharging her narrow-minded, bigoted ass. She should already be in custody, if that was the case.

BTW, this is the reason I want a Draft.

< Message edited by farglebargle -- 3/26/2007 1:30:32 PM >

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RE: Recruiter Freaks Out on Gay Man... - 3/26/2007 1:36:26 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: farglebargle

The fact that the ORGANIZATION tolerates the presence of such dishonorable people, brings dishonor to the organization.

Perhaps you shouldn't ASSUME that the ORGANIZATION tolerates such behavior.

From the main story:

'The U.S. Army Recruiting Command's Staff Judge Advocate has referred the email exchange to Ramode's commander for "review, investigation and appropriate action," Sgt. Douglas Smith, a public affairs officer based Fort Knox, Texas, said in a statement.'

Feel free to abstain from replying if you're going to tell me how any such investigation would be nothing but a sham, yadda yadda, ad nauseum.

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RE: Recruiter Freaks Out on Gay Man... - 3/26/2007 1:47:38 PM

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Not a sham. Just TOO LITTLE, TOO LATE. It's not like her comrades didn't know she's a bigoted twit.

But they accepted her and tolerated her.

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RE: Recruiter Freaks Out on Gay Man... - 3/26/2007 1:48:29 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: farglebargle

quote:

ORIGINAL: Vendaval

Well, how about a wait and see approach. This happened fairly recently.
Perhaps the recruiter's senior officers will respond to the situation.

The ONLY response is dishonorably discharging her narrow-minded, bigoted ass. She should already be in custody, if that was the case.

BTW, this is the reason I want a Draft.

I want a draft too!
The misstake that the guy made was to "tell" the recruiter that he was gay.
Clinton started that program, don't ask, don't "tell."
The guy "told".
What did he think was going to be the reaction?
It doesn't sound to me like he really was interested in signing up just in trying to make a point or to be argumentative. If he really wanted to join he would have kept his mouth shut!
*I don't go around telling people that I'm into B&D!
It's my business not theirs!*
Also, people need to realize that it's not against the law to "offend" people.
I "offend" people everyday and I'm real fuckin' good at it too!
A real fuckin' "Expert" if I do say so myself.

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RE: Recruiter Freaks Out on Gay Man... - 3/26/2007 1:54:21 PM

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Fuck them?

Seriously. No one asked The People if they wanted "Don't Ask, Don't Tell".

So let's have a draft, and when you refuse to let the homosexuals you DRAFTED serve, have fun fighting the lawsuits.

The Draft is THE END of Don't Ask, Don't Tell, and the beginning of full, open service by gays.

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RE: Recruiter Freaks Out on Gay Man... - 3/26/2007 2:01:48 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: farglebargle

Not a sham. Just TOO LITTLE, TOO LATE. It's not like her comrades didn't know she's a bigoted twit.

But they accepted her and tolerated her.

Assumes facts not entered into evidence. You make MANY ASSUMPTIONS or have been using the Billy Dee WIlliams Psychic Hotline.

Oh, and forget about your draft pipe dream. As interesting as that would be, it's never going to happen.

~stef

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RE: Recruiter Freaks Out on Gay Man... - 3/26/2007 2:19:47 PM

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but it would be cool if they implemented the draft but still did not allow gays to fight....On my enlistment form under hobbies..Love outdoor activities .smoke cigarettes and cock.

Now give me my gun!

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RE: Recruiter Freaks Out on Gay Man... - 3/26/2007 4:02:15 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: popeye1250
I think there should be gays only in the military.

Popeye gives me another belly laugh !!!!

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RE: Recruiter Freaks Out on Gay Man... - 3/26/2007 4:05:29 PM

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Farglebargle

I have a question for you. Since the world is generally populated with people who are biggotted against something or another, does that make their employer a bad one too? Or is it only because she was Military.

I am not saying what she said was right. But you condemed ALL military personnel because they allowed her to have her opinion - even those that don't know her. And I thought you were a big one on rights, but I guess she doesn't have any because you condemed her without her right to investigation and prosecution or adminiistrative action (as needed).

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RE: Recruiter Freaks Out on Gay Man... - 3/26/2007 4:19:40 PM

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I reckon thats about as unanswerable a post as I have ever seen on CM
Checkmate.

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RE: Recruiter Freaks Out on Gay Man... - 3/26/2007 4:32:50 PM

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Homosexuals can join the military. How old is this e-mail? Also, what's the proof that this is infact a ligit e-mail conversation? I can take any response, cut and paste what I want, and then print out the e-mail.

If this is ture, I think the recruiter was not referring to homosexuals. The term Gay means happy. The military does not except happy people. One of the first thing a Drill Instructor says is "Whipe that smile off your face"

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RE: Recruiter Freaks Out on Gay Man... - 3/26/2007 4:59:08 PM

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quote:

I have a question for you. Since the world is generally populated with people who are biggotted against something or another, does that make their employer a bad one too? Or is it only because she was Military.

The military, because the enjoy a special TRUST of The People are held to a higher standard of HONOR and INTEGRITY.

They must be WORTHY of acting in The People's Name.

Tolerating this kind of small minded bigotry is the beginning.

And it leads to, a Sergeant covers up the rape and murder of children, rather than putting down the mad dog planning it, they do not deserve that trust. They have no honor.

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