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Female dominated culture.... - 3/24/2007 7:13:31 PM   
Nikolette


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Status: offline 		I came across this article about women in a remote area of China who have ruled the area and maintain a somewhat polyamorous lifestyle and remain in control of the men. I've come across similar things before in my research and I am always fascinated by it.

http://www.tibet.ca/en/wtnarchive/2001/3/25_2.html

I thought I'd share the link so everyone else can read the article and learn about it to (assuming they are unaware).

It sort of reminds me of ideas I've heard people toss around of a BDSM based communal community. That idea has always been somewhat appealing to me- on a variety of levels really since I also appreciate the hippy communes that are still dotting around here and there.


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RE: Female dominated culture.... - 3/24/2007 7:23:03 PM   
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Status: offline 		fascinating read.  I hope the culture can survive the invasion of tourists.

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RE: Female dominated culture.... - 3/24/2007 8:11:12 PM   
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Status: offline 		I noticed the article was dated 2001. Wonder what it is like there now.


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RE: Female dominated culture.... - 3/25/2007 6:13:12 AM   
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Status: offline 		Thank you for that link. I remember seeing something about these people a long time ago but had kinda forgotten.

The funny thing is that I see the bulk of our society being female dominated now. Wether the men agree and see it the same way or not. Lets face it, you put an attractive woman in a mix of men and they will be competing for her attentions. She is the one that choses which men get to take her home, if any, regardless of what the men think. Men buy flashy cars, big houses, everything......to impress, lure and keep a desirable woman. Anyone that thinks otherwise has blinders on. Sure he may strut around, pretending to be the boss, but the reality is that if she doesn't like the WAY he does it......she will move on and find a guy that fits her criteria.


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RE: Female dominated culture.... - 3/25/2007 12:49:42 PM   
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Status: offline 		Absolutely LaT! A TV programme here in the UK a year or so back ran an experiment; a bunch of guys were put in a room for ten minutes, during which time they eyed one another up whilst chatting politely. A bunch of women were then introduced into the room. The guys went after the women they liked, grouping around the most attractive. But more interesting was that the women were clearly choosing the men they preferred, even when faced with a group chasing them.

Incidentally, there is also a similar female led community in a town in Mexico. The women run the place, make the money and make the decisions and hold the purse strings. Nothing kinky, its just the way that town works. Disappointingly though, this town, from the pictures shown, was no male sub fantasy, since the women didnt have to impress the men by way of appearance etc, and didnt!

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RE: Female dominated culture.... - 3/25/2007 1:05:48 PM   
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Status: offline 		Sounds like standard procedure of evolution. The survival of the fittest, natural selection , and preservation of the human species.  i personally think mankind is on the verge of some major major societal changes among gender roles and definitions of.  So males need to take notice quickly and learn to adapt to new roles. Change is always inevitable,,,So bring it on,,it is longtime overdue anyways. 



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RE: Female dominated culture.... - 3/25/2007 2:13:07 PM   
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RE: Female dominated culture.... - 3/25/2007 2:29:35 PM   
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...Lets face it, you put an attractive woman in a mix of men and they will be competing for her attentions. She is the one that choses which men get to take her home, if any, regardless of what the men think.

This only reinforces my new found belief that I'm a "Male Lesbian"...  

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RE: Female dominated culture.... - 3/25/2007 2:46:57 PM   
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Status: offline 		im rethinking this position a moment,,,, if UTAH (see "Mormonism influence") residents have plenty subculture of Patriarchal multiwives lifestyles abound, perhaps some special Mistresses and Dommes should get together and start new communities somewhere unincorporated and watch the culture grow with FemDom as the true ideology goings on within such community, Should not be too hard to locate prime land and set up proper financing and city charterships. Interesting idea . i would move to such a place for sure.

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RE: Female dominated culture.... - 3/25/2007 2:48:38 PM   
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Status: offline 		Yeah! And call it the Morwomen movment.

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RE: Female dominated culture.... - 3/25/2007 2:48:59 PM   
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Status: offline 		I see the future as being female.. and a matriarchal society forming itself.

Over the past 20-30 years we have seen huge changes in society and the way we live, brought about mainly by technology and the computer. Gone are the days when you could leave school, enter higher education, and find yourself a career for life. Nowadays you have to be in touch, to keep educating yourself and to keep developing. This favours the female more than it does the male.

A woman is judged very much by who she is and what she can do, whereas a man is judged more by what he has. A middle-aged male who hasn't fulfilled his potential by the age of 40 who hasn't got a career, a home, a car and money is somewhat excluded from society as a whole.

And isn't this exactly what the real issue is today behind the war on terrorism, behind Iraq, Afghanistan, and the perceived lack of values and morals? This isn't about Islam or Christianity, but about the technology and developments in society which have brought about the challenge to the traditional preserve of the privilege of the heterosexual male. The preservation of such a privilege is central to the beliefs of the fundamentalist Christian and Muslim alike.

Our problem as a society - and I'm talking here of society in a global sense, doesn't matter whether you are in London, New York, Shanghai or Riyadh - is what we are going to do with the people who are disaffected by all these social changes. What are we going to do with the people who didn't or couldn't quite adapt and make such changes? Many of them have turned to crime, to terrorism, many more are trapped in abject poverty and so are enslaved, oppressed and do not have a voice. What are we going to do with them? Where is their place in today's society?

It is going to take a female President of the United States to restore the world's faith in America, this is something I very much believe and something I predict will happen within the next ten years. I see the way forward as women speaking out and becoming more vocal, more political, and I also feel that peace will only come when religions such as Islam and Christianity modernize themselves and start giving women an equal role in their hierarchy and when people accept these changes. I find it insane that people are so willing to base their beliefs on what other people wrote thousands of years ago but yet are so blind to what is happening today around them in the modern world.

However these changes in society should not devalue or diminish the role men lay in society, and they too have a right to play an active role in society. I feel that men should be given a much freer role in society, to be allowed to be more caring, nurturing, creative and expressive. But this can happen only when we learn to overcome our own rigid gender stereotypes and prejudices that we cling to with absurd zeal.

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RE: Female dominated culture.... - 3/25/2007 4:13:20 PM   
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Status: offline 		Good post Stella. I'm much in agreement with you about the whole evolution of society aspect competing with an older, more rigid and less rational model. Less rational because it hamstrings a society into discarding 51% of its population, most of whom have talents and abilities sorely needed in society as a whole, and especially to temper the talents and abilities of the remaining 49%, amongst whom are generally found the most disruptive elements when bereft of such temperant influence. I believe its these disruptive elements who are the main obstacle to universal societal evolution, in that they fear the tempering of their talents and abilities due to fear of emasculation thereby - an erroneous fear in my belief, since what I and most others specifically dont want, is emasculation of men, but rather to enable them to become full human beings.

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RE: Female dominated culture.... - 3/25/2007 9:47:55 PM   
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Status: offline 		Actually ..we are a female dominated culture in a lot of ways. It's just that they are more subtle and less overt about the control then men are.

And historicaly , that's the way it's always been done. Elizabeth the First knew her limits well enough to let the men handle the Spanish Armada to enhance HER power.

And the less said about the influence of Presidential Wives on the course of history .. the better. No sense in upsetting the little people.

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RE: Female dominated culture.... - 3/25/2007 9:52:38 PM   
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Status: offline 		A) Women have to understand and be willing to USE that power- most cripple themselves with their esteem issues, need for approval and difficulty telling people no

B) Once they have babies, most women find themselves trapped by motherhood and limited to whatever options are given to them by "general society"

Until those two things change, I don't think we can say the world is dominated by women.  Potentially perhaps- though I'd much prefer a world in which we all just worked to better humanity.

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RE: Female dominated culture.... - 3/25/2007 10:07:56 PM   
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Status: offline 		Well  LA  my ex had a salution for b. She thought that rugrats should be outsoursed to someone else. She tought that that is what daycare was.for.

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RE: Female dominated culture.... - 3/25/2007 10:13:33 PM   
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Well  LA  my ex had a salution for b. She thought that rugrats should be outsoursed to someone else. She tought that that is what daycare was.for.

Which means you have to pay for daycare which means being in a job that pays enough to make daycare worthwhile while also being flexible enough to allow you to do those parent things you have to do and somehow have a life of your own.

And that's just the first few years.

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RE: Female dominated culture.... - 3/26/2007 5:48:38 AM   
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Status: offline 		As for women using their power - its something that intrigues me as to why those women who become successful in the field of industry and business seem so often to only do so because they emulate their male rivals' behaviour.

Is this perceived to be the case by others?
Is it that one has to work according to the male framework to succeed?
Is it that we are all just human, so male and female will tend to act the same way in the circumstances?
Is there a pattern of behaviour for success in these fields which is more essentially female in nature?

Now as most will by now know, I wasnt born genetically female, yet I detect in the way I run my business a difference in the way I do so, as compared to the men with whom my business competes. I dont want this to become all sweet sensitive girlies vs nasty horrid males, but I do feel there is an essential difference in the way I deal with the people working for me, our suppliers and customers - more empathetic and cooperative to boil it down, as compared to a more adversarial approach with male run competitors. Any comments anyone?

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RE: Female dominated culture.... - 3/26/2007 6:20:38 AM   
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Status: offline 		Ya I know what you are saying. It was costing us &.$7.50 per hour for daycare and we were each making $7 per hour at the jobs that we had. Much more cost effective to have one parent stay home.

That isn’t what school and her parents told her.  This is the 21st century and woman can’t be burden with rugrats. They are to be pushed aside or they will stop you from having the happy working life. To her to fall back and care for rugrats was loss of what was modern civilization.  To take and stop working was to go back to the 19th century way of life.

So yes the stage is being set for an era that is ruled by woman. And yes it will take time to program them to not care about the next generation. But that is why you hear about all the guilt of the working mothers. But in each generation the female rugrats learn that to make it in the world you can’t let anything stand in your way. And that no cost is to much to hold the power that men don’t want you to have.

The push is to be whatever you want to be just as long as it is not a loving stay at home mother  Or  better yet  just don’t have any rugrats.  

But soon the women will have given the true power over to another. That power is not in the work place it is in the mind of the rugrats. They are the ones that will direct where we go from here. It is so sad to see that women were give more power then they knew what to do with and yet they seek to go after the illusion of power that the males thought they had in the work force.

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RE: Female dominated culture.... - 3/26/2007 6:30:42 AM   
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Status: offline 		Just to really rile up any feminists reading this read - my ambition has always been to stay at home and look after the kids and keep house...! Its what I was brought up to do, despite my birth sex, and its what I enjoy doing. But I'll never have the chance to do that, because irregardless of gender change, I'm expected to make the money.

I suppose, though I cant be said to be typical or average in any way, it shows that the gender trap can work both ways.

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RE: Female dominated culture.... - 3/26/2007 6:33:05 AM   
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Status: offline 		What prevents the father from staying home with the children?

Aside from breast feeding for the first year or two (if you do that or not) there is nothing that a mother can do that a father can't with raising children.

I was talking to one of my students the other day who is thinking college is not for her. She'd like to have a family but she also wants some job, too, so she's thinking she has to give up one to have the other. Then I asked her want the father would do and she blinked and thought about and said: "Oh, he might want to stay home with the kids or we could trade off days".

I just smiled and said, "These are things to discuss before you kids or get married, don't you think? The best relationships are those between people of compatible beliefs."

It was a pleasure to me to see her realize that there multiple options and that she is not the only person who will have responsiblity for making the decisions. Until we start raising both daughters AND sons to see themselves as both equally responsible to the next generations we will continue to have these problems.

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