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Edge Play? - 3/23/2007 2:18:42 PM   
grlneedstolearn


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Status: offline 		i've read some posts on edge play but still couldn't satisfy my curiosity. In your opinion, what exactly is edge play?
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RE: Edge Play? - 3/23/2007 2:20:12 PM   
mixielicous


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Status: offline 		for me, its the thought, "oh my god, is He going to kill me this time?"

if i think that.... then He has taken me to the edge

with

*knives
*asphixiation
*long term bondage
*fire


edit to add - in no real way do i believe my Master would desire to kill me but bodily instincts can over ride what i know to be true

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RE: Edge Play? - 3/23/2007 2:24:00 PM   
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Status: offline 		mixielicous, I loved the quoted thought!  Definitely been there, lol.  Aside from what you mentioned are those things that might rattle me emotionally or cause my mind to really stretch in order to deal with it.

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RE: Edge Play? - 3/23/2007 2:26:31 PM   
grlneedstolearn


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RE: Edge Play? - 3/23/2007 2:29:24 PM   
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ORIGINAL: grlneedstolearn

i've read some posts on edge play but still couldn't satisfy my curiosity. In your opinion, what exactly is edge play?


I agree with the aforementioned general consensus .
 
It’s going to the place where you think you won't return, but trust that you do.
 
The answer as to where the edge is will be as diversified as the people.

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RE: Edge Play? - 3/23/2007 2:41:21 PM   
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Status: offline 		http://www.collarchat.com/m_758925/mpage_2/key_edge%252Cplay/tm.htm#761455
edge play

http://www.collarchat.com/m_628176/mpage_2/key_edge%252Cplay/tm.htm#643465
Your definition of edge play

http://www.collarchat.com/m_357430/mpage_1/key_edge%252Cplay/tm.htm#357454
Is edge play just another meaningless term?

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RE: Edge Play? - 3/23/2007 2:48:41 PM   
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RE: Edge Play? - 3/23/2007 2:51:05 PM   
MsOpal


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Status: offline 		HI grlneedstolern,
you will find a different explanation from every person who replies.  Argent and I are considered "edge players" because we favor types of play that are not always easily controlled that many in the scene consider "especially" dangerous - fire, knives, needles.  And I love whips.  To us, because we do engage in these forms of play and feel comfortable with them, it is not as edgy as it is to many others.  Although fire pretty much always is, I suppose.

We heard a wonderful talk at a regional event a few years ago by, I think, Joseph Bean.  (geesh I hope it wasn't John W, as we have heard many of his talks also!).  Anyway it was on "edge play' and it went a bit differently.  Over the years my feelings of edge play have begun to agree more and more with it.    Every single scene should be edge play and all play no matter whether it is open hand spanking or over the top breath play with whips and knives can be edge play.  The point is that we give consent.  Supposedly there are limits to that consent.  We trust the top/Dom not to harm us physically or emotionally or mentally.  As a top I can take you as far as we have ever gone before, even if it is only a spanking.  Each time I swat you, and you cry or tremble or whimper but do not tell me to stop you are consenting to one more swat.  When you think you absolutely cannot stand one more swat, but you do not tell me to stop we are pushing the edge of your tolerance.  Each time I see you shudder and hear you gasp and see your body twitch and I know how far we have gone but I swat you one more time, I am pushing you up to your edge and hopefully past it.  It is about constant consent.   We can get into a lot of definitions and argue about consent once given, but be honest.  I have given Argent my consent and supposedly that was my last decision.  But the reality is that if I was really in fear for my life my basic survival instinct would kick in (that bothersome bodily instinct thing again!) and I would have to actually decide not to give in to “fight or flight” or in our case safe word.  I will agree that the more someone does wiitwd, the more committed the relationship, the more trust there is the less one feels this reaction.  I will further agree that with above listed conditions the less one has to think about consent in a scene.  But to me that in itself answers the question – you have given consent and you have enough trust that continued consent continues.  But I will contend that there is an edge and you just haven’t reached it yet.  The edge can be physical or emotional or mental, but it is there.     For myself – I never wonder “is he going to kill me this time?” but more along the lines of “am I going to come back from where he sends me?”   CAVEAT - imho, in my experience, ymmv and etc.: You can experience the physical edge play things with a play partner and a modicum of trust; and it can feel good.  But to fly over that edge you must know they will take you as far as you can go and then they will take you that one baby step past it and they will hold you and bring you home.   There is one thing I have discovered as I have more experience as a top.  I may not even realize at first that what I am doing almost casually is “their” edge play.
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RE: Edge Play? - 3/23/2007 3:21:18 PM   
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RE: Edge Play? - 3/23/2007 3:39:55 PM   
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Status: offline 		To me, edge play has always been playing with someones life. Where a mistake can be lethal.

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RE: Edge Play? - 3/23/2007 9:50:22 PM   
grlneedstolearn


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RE: Edge Play? - 3/23/2007 9:54:12 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: grlneedstolearn

i've read some posts on edge play but still couldn't satisfy my curiosity. In your opinion, what exactly is edge play?


any type of play that requires that extra determination and courage to have the experience.  It pushes your anxieties and other flight buttons.. .. It challenges you!

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RE: Edge Play? - 3/24/2007 5:40:02 AM   
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ORIGINAL: WhiplashSmile

Sorry, I had posted to this thread by accident.  This is just a placeholder were a misplaced remark was made.

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RE: Edge Play? - 3/24/2007 6:17:55 AM   
SingleRarity


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Status: offline 		In my mind, any play that runs the risk of permanent mental and/or physical damage is edge play. 

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RE: Edge Play? - 3/24/2007 6:53:44 AM   
LeatherBentOne


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Status: offline 		When I was subbing in real life many moons ago . . for me, edgeplay was an outdoor, knifeplay scene in the woods, where I was bound to a tree and my clothes were cut off me.  The scene also included frontal flogging, and being flogged/caned naked while laying on a blanket.  The scene lasted about 60-90 minutes, and was so intense that my Domme ended the scene for fear that I was no longer in a place to use a safeword if need be.

That said, what defines edgeplay for one, doesnt mean it defines edgeplay for all.  Depends on their experience, limits, and/or medical history whether or not their is potential for permanent harm or in some cases death.  Also, some consider not using a safeword to be edgeplay.

Nonetheless, always be aware of your risks and try to use good judgement in anticipating what could happen if/when you engage in edgeplay.  This Domme and I reviewed and negotiated this scene (on and off) for 2 months, including exterraneous risks, such a what if the cops catch us, avoiding hunting season and election year (for a DA/Judge to win votes), and what if a stranger thought the scene was "for real" and came to my rescue ie. harming my attacker to protect me.

LBO

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RE: Edge Play? - 3/24/2007 11:05:55 AM   
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Status: offline 		okay, as I am currently writing a novel to better explain the D/s dynamics, and different forms of fetish play, such as edge play, you can decide how your interpret. There are many forms of what people may consider edge play, but for the purposes of what you are asking:   Edge play is not knife play.  Edge play is not blood play, edge play is not life threatening. 

Edge play is usually employed with the Art of Tantra.  Edge play is bringing someone to the edge of an orgasm, and sustaining the heightened level of sensitivity, sexuality, and sensuality for extended periods of time.  Brinking techniques assist in learning edge play, however, is not the best method of exploring all there is to enjoy in Tantra.

CC

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RE: Edge Play? - 3/24/2007 11:47:14 AM   
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ORIGINAL: CreoleCook
Edge play is usually employed with the Art of Tantra.  Edge play is bringing someone to the edge of an orgasm, and sustaining the heightened level of sensitivity, sexuality, and sensuality for extended periods of time.  Brinking techniques assist in learning edge play, however, is not the best method of exploring all there is to enjoy in Tantra.

CC

That's twice in recent time that I've heard "edge" specifically used as a form or orgasm teasing.  I have to say this is a very new concept to me and completely different from the form I've seen over the past decade (including at places like BR and TESFest where they specifically have "edge play" tracks and none of the presentations had anything to do with orgasms).

I think we've got a form of sexual teasing asserting itself as a kink with a label and unfortunately they've taken a label that already has a very long standing generally understood meaning.

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RE: Edge Play? - 3/24/2007 12:10:06 PM   
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ORIGINAL: CreoleCook

okay, as I am currently writing a novel to better explain the D/s dynamics, and different forms of fetish play, such as edge play, you can decide how your interpret. There are many forms of what people may consider edge play, but for the purposes of what you are asking:   Edge play is not knife play.  Edge play is not blood play, edge play is not life threatening. 

Edge play is usually employed with the Art of Tantra.  Edge play is bringing someone to the edge of an orgasm, and sustaining the heightened level of sensitivity, sexuality, and sensuality for extended periods of time.  Brinking techniques assist in learning edge play, however, is not the best method of exploring all there is to enjoy in Tantra.

CC


I am going to disagree with you also, Creole. 

Bringing someone to the "edge" of orgasm may indeed be a type of edge play.  Is it the only form?  No.  You and those of you who choose to follow that definition are certainly entitled to but for me, it is just one more definition of a type of edge. 

For me...and it seems a lot of others...edge play is when I take someone to a place where fear and anxiety and discomfort are all involved.  You may get anger from the submissive or rage or crying but they push on with the scene so you know it is taking them to an edge.  It is also defined for me sometimes as play I am engaging in that is a bit dangerous from my end...a place where an accident can occur more readily than in other types of play and so much more concentration and focus and thought is required.  I like that for me. 
Now...do some of these bring a submissive to the edge of orgasm?   Yeppers.  But then, so can other softer types of play.  And again, it is just one more edge.

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RE: Edge Play? - 3/24/2007 1:36:08 PM   
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ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross


That's twice in recent time that I've heard "edge" specifically used as a form or orgasm teasing.  I have to say this is a very new concept to me and completely different from the form I've seen over the past decade...
... a form of sexual teasing asserting itself as a kink with a label and unfortunately they've taken a label that already has a very long standing generally understood meaning.



Actually, Alba, its the other way around.  Tantra is much older than current forms of play, including (modern day) edge play, as outlined in the original hindu texts of the Kama Sutra.  While I realize many in today's society have never read the original 3,000+ page book, the KS helps realize the dynamics of D/s relationships, subtle forms of BDSM, and yes, even the arts of Tantra were better defined by the compilation of ideas, and practices into words.





Creative.... I understand your points, and agree, to some extent.  Edge play can be explored in many different ways, as can Tantra, and about forty other examples I could give you... The question which started this thread was asking for opinions on what others consider edge play.   I gave my two cents.  To say you disagree, hey, I'm happy for you.  Everybody has an opinion.

CC


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RE: Edge Play? - 3/24/2007 2:19:29 PM   
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Status: offline 		While tantra and harnessing sexual energy (which btw is only one very small part and not at ALL the goal of tantra itself) is certainly much older than the term "edge play" and using to mean "various form of extreme kink activities"- using the term "edge play" to mean "orgasm teasing" is much newer than the traditional usage of the term "edge play" within the kink subculture.

You're taking an old form of energy play, and tacking on a new label to it.  This label unfortunately already has a long history of usage within the culture to mean a completely different thing.

None of this is bad- but you should understand why people don't really use edge play the way that you use it and what communication problems can and will arise from this process.

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