Collarspace Discussion Forums


Home  Login  Search 

RE: Executive Priviledge?


View related threads: (in this forum | in all forums)

Logged in as: Guest
 
All Forums >> [Casual Banter] >> Off the Grid >> RE: Executive Priviledge? Page: <<   < prev  1 [2]
Login
Message << Older Topic   Newer Topic >>
RE: Executive Priviledge? - 3/22/2007 10:27:01 AM   
puella


Posts: 2457
Joined: 12/2/2004
Status: offline

Go back and read it again.

Because such appearances before congressional committees or subcommittees seemingly could - result in demands for advice proffered to the President, or the disclosure — inadvertent or otherwise — of such advice, there has been resistance, from time to time, by the Chief Executive to allowing such testimony.

That means Congressional Oversight Hearings, not civic criminal trials. 

And from the post before:

The President's need for complete candor and objectivity from advisers calls for great deference from the courts. However, when the privilege depends solely on the broad, undifferentiated claim of public interest in the confidentiality of such conversations, a confrontation with other values arises. Absent a claim of need to protect military, diplomatic, or sensitive national security secrets, we find it difficult to accept the argument that even the very important interest in confidentiality of Presidential communications is significantly diminished by production of such material for in camera inspection with all the protection that a district court will be obliged to provide.



Alberto Gonzales has already lied to Congress once about it. He stated first that the firings were routine, then they were based on performance.  It has been proven that it is not based on performance (which is why the prosecutors in question are up in arms and decrying slander).  Lying to Congress is a crime.

< Message edited by puella -- 3/22/2007 10:43:56 AM >


_____________________________

We must move forward, not backward, upward, not forward, and always twirling, twirling, twirling towards freedom...... The Simpsons

War is God's way of teaching Americans geography." ...Ambrose Bierce

"Don't you oppress me!"....Stan/Loretta

(in reply to luckydog1)
Profile   Post #: 21
RE: Executive Priviledge? - 3/22/2007 11:29:42 AM   
luckydog1


Posts: 2736
Joined: 1/16/2006
Status: offline
Congress has a constitutionally rooted right of access to the information it needs to perform its Article I legislative and oversight functions. Generally, a
congressional committee with jurisdiction over the subject matter, which is
conducting an authorized investigation Not a fishing expitdition as is occuring now for legislative or oversight purposes, has a right to information held by the executive branch in the absence of either a valid claim of constitutional privilege by the executive Bush has this, they serve at his pleasure or a statutory provision whereby Congress has limited its constitutional right to information.

Thanks for the link Puella.  It seems to agree with me since Bush does have a valid claim of constittional priviledge.  Congress has no oversight of people who serve at Bushes whim.  And its a fishing expition.  We can disagree untill we are blue in the face, but ultimatley the courts will decide, not you or I.

But hey bring it on, Bush isn't running agian and this will allow Rep Canditates for President to triangulate away from Bush and a Democratic majority interested in symbolic acts and wasting time on crap like this. 

(in reply to puella)
Profile   Post #: 22
RE: Executive Priviledge? - 3/23/2007 7:59:33 PM   
Sinergy


Posts: 9383
Joined: 4/26/2004
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: luckydog1

Congress has a constitutionally rooted right of access to the information it needs to perform its Article I legislative and oversight functions. Generally, a
congressional committee with jurisdiction over the subject matter, which is
conducting an authorized investigation Not a fishing expitdition as is occuring now for legislative or oversight purposes, has a right to information held by the executive branch in the absence of either a valid claim of constitutional privilege by the executive Bush has this, they serve at his pleasure or a statutory provision whereby Congress has limited its constitutional right to information.

Thanks for the link Puella.  It seems to agree with me since Bush does have a valid claim of constittional priviledge.  Congress has no oversight of people who serve at Bushes whim.  And its a fishing expition.  We can disagree untill we are blue in the face, but ultimatley the courts will decide, not you or I.

But hey bring it on, Bush isn't running agian and this will allow Rep Canditates for President to triangulate away from Bush and a Democratic majority interested in symbolic acts and wasting time on crap like this. 



While what you state is true about Congress, luckydog1.  There are no similar guarantees where the judiciary is involved. 

Nixon tried it.  Did not work.

Bush will try it.  I suspect it will not work because Burger et al set a precedent, and partisan nonsense aside, our judiciary tends to put a lot of weight on precedents.

Sinergy

_____________________________

"There is a fine line between clever and stupid"
David St. Hubbins "This Is Spinal Tap"

"Every so often you let a word or phrase out and you want to catch it and bring it back. You cant do that, it is gone, gone forever." J. Danforth Quayle


(in reply to luckydog1)
Profile   Post #: 23
Page:   <<   < prev  1 [2]
All Forums >> [Casual Banter] >> Off the Grid >> RE: Executive Priviledge? Page: <<   < prev  1 [2]
Jump to:





New Messages No New Messages
Hot Topic w/ New Messages Hot Topic w/o New Messages
Locked w/ New Messages Locked w/o New Messages
 Post New Thread
 Reply to Message
 Post New Poll
 Submit Vote
 Delete My Own Post
 Delete My Own Thread
 Rate Posts




Collarchat.com © 2025
Terms of Service Privacy Policy Spam Policy

0.047