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Iran supplying arms upsets the US. - 2/11/2007 1:58:07 PM   
seeksfemslave


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Status: offline 		Iran supplying arms to Iraqui insurgents has upset the US govnt.
What about US  arms supplies to Israel. ?
Is that different ? Only arskin !



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RE: Iran supplying arms upsets the US. - 2/11/2007 2:06:34 PM   
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Status: offline 		if one were to take a larger view, with them supplying weapons, it wont be long before we clean out all the junk we once supplied everyone with and can then ask better prices for our current line

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RE: Iran supplying arms upsets the US. - 2/11/2007 2:07:33 PM   
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RE: Iran supplying arms upsets the US. - 2/11/2007 2:08:40 PM   
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RE: Iran supplying arms upsets the US. - 2/11/2007 2:24:16 PM   
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Status: offline 		Supplying arms to insurgents fighting your country is different from supplying arms to someone your not to friendly with (but not at war with).  If Iran attacked Israel they know they could easily drag us into it because Israel is the US's allies.  If Iran wants to drag the US into attacking them then supplying arms to the people they're actively fighting is a damn good way to do it.

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RE: Iran supplying arms upsets the US. - 2/11/2007 3:08:28 PM   
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Status: offline 		If they openly admitted to supplying them then maybe one could make a small case if you ignore the fact that one is supplying a government and the other is supplying insergents.

But that is not the case Iran is supplying the insergents covertly, we supply Isreal overtly. Nobody is fooled by us supplying Isreal they can adjust their policy towards us as they see fit. However the accusation that Iran is supplying the insergents is a big ? for many Arab and Muslim countries, who not knowing are unwilling to adjust their policy towards Iran because they are being covert in their supplying of the insergents.

That is the difference in a nutshell.

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RE: Iran supplying arms upsets the US. - 2/11/2007 3:49:39 PM   
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Status: offline 		Geez seeing that U.S. aid to Israel accounts to nearly one third of the entire amount that the U.S. spends abroad......Why should we worry about a few insurgents getting weapons from Iran?

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RE: Iran supplying arms upsets the US. - 2/11/2007 8:04:30 PM   
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ORIGINAL: seeksfemslave

Iran supplying arms to Iraqui insurgents has upset the US govnt.
What about US  arms supplies to Israel. ?
Is that different ? Only arskin !



The problem that Monkeyboy's administration is having with their pronouncements about Iran is they lost all credibility with Iraq.

Would be helpful if you actually posted the evidence that Iran is suppying arms, rather than Faux News talking points.

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RE: Iran supplying arms upsets the US. - 2/11/2007 11:57:52 PM   
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ORIGINAL: seeksfemslave

Iran supplying arms to Iraqui insurgents has upset the US govnt.
What about US  arms supplies to Israel. ?
Is that different ? Only arskin !



Bush is beginning to sound like an echo.

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RE: Iran supplying arms upsets the US. - 2/12/2007 12:40:06 AM   
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http://www.collarchat.com/m_822895/tm.htm




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RE: Iran supplying arms upsets the US. - 2/12/2007 12:42:19 AM   
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Would be helpful if you actually posted the evidence that Iran is suppying arms, rather than Faux News talking points.

Sinergy


you can see that evidence 30 years from when it becomes declassified under ciaran


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RE: Iran supplying arms upsets the US. - 2/12/2007 12:59:06 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Sinergy
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ORIGINAL: seeksfemslave
Iran supplying arms to Iraqui insurgents has upset the US govnt.
What about US  arms supplies to Israel. ?
Is that different ? Only arskin !

The problem that Monkeyboy's administration is having with their pronouncements about Iran is they lost all credibility with Iraq.

Would be helpful if you actually posted the evidence that Iran is suppying arms, rather than Faux News talking points.
Sinergy


Well, on a TV news bulletin in the UK photographs of the alleged weapons were shown.!
Fakes ?

I'm not a "sauce" man, I just offer opinions and evaluate "sauces" that rebut anything I say !!

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RE: Iran supplying arms upsets the US. - 2/12/2007 1:12:04 AM   
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Status: offline 		They are probably upset that Iran cornered that market first. The thing to do for the USA is to offer the Iraqi people quality weapons at a huge discount. That will drive out the Iranian weapons dealers and will enable the USA to corner the market for spare parts. For example: the USA might give the Iraqi people ground to air missile launchers for free and subsequently make a nice profit by selling them the required missiles.

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RE: Iran supplying arms upsets the US. - 2/12/2007 1:35:51 AM   
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Status: offline 		Just out of curiosity, and dont pile on me for asking this because it really is a sincere inquiry.

Whats the deal with the anti-Israeli sentiment on these boards? Is there something I should know about?

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RE: Iran supplying arms upsets the US. - 2/12/2007 1:52:53 AM   
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Status: offline 		i highly recommend you all look at utopian rangers post that directly addresses this:

http://www.collarchat.com/m_822895/tm.htm     <little snippet>

former national security advisor Zbigniew Brzezinski in a hearing before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee.
February 1, 2007, 3:05 pm  
If the United States continues to be bogged down in a protracted bloody involvement in Iraq, the final destination on this downhill track is likely to be a head-on conflict with Iran and with much of the world of Islam at large. A plausible scenario for a military collision with Iran involves Iraqi failure to meet the benchmarks; followed by accusations of Iranian responsibility for the failure; then by some provocation in Iraq or a terrorist act in the U.S. blamed on Iran; culminating in a "defensive" U.S. military action against Iran that plunges a lonely America into a spreading and deepening quagmire eventually ranging across Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan, and Pakistan.

A mythical historical narrative to justify the case for such a protracted and potentially expanding war is already being articulated. Initially justified by false claims about WMD's in Iraq, the war is now being redefined as the "decisive ideological struggle" of our time, reminiscent of the earlier collisions with Nazism and Stalinism. In that context, Islamist extremism and al Qaeda are presented as the equivalents of the threat posed by Nazi Germany and then Soviet Russia, and 9/11 as the equivalent of the Pearl Harbor attack which precipitated America's involvement in World War II. 

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RE: Iran supplying arms upsets the US. - 2/12/2007 2:02:28 AM   
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Status: offline 		So that is the intended strategy in the war against islam. It is not a warning, but a public announcement, a declaration of war.

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RE: Iran supplying arms upsets the US. - 2/12/2007 2:08:33 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Rule

So that is the intended strategy in the war against islam. It is not a warning, but a public announcement, a declaration of war.


no you have to read his whole post, it shows this is all a scam.  that was testimony under oath from cspan.   since it was all fake it goes without saying that wtc and 9111 was faked as well. 

If there are arms coming in you bet its the fucking cia setting it up to give us an excuse to go in.  thats how it works, look at all the declassified black ops info off of the gov sites here.


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RE: Iran supplying arms upsets the US. - 2/12/2007 5:38:32 AM   
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Whats the deal with the anti-Israeli sentiment on these boards? Is there something I should know about?


Anti-Israeli GOVERNMENT. There's a difference.

Just like the US GOVERNMENT does not represent the wishes, desires or goals of THE AMERICAN PEOPLE, the Israeli Government is doing it's own thing, irrespective of what THE ISRAELI PEOPLE want.

When Iran calls for the elimination of Israel, they mean the GOVERNMENT, and as a Jew, I agree that the mideast will NEVER get it's shit together with the current government.

ALL RELIGIOUS GOVERNMENTS ARE BAD. Secularism rules.

Jewish, Islamic, or Christian. ALL Religious Governments are bad.



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RE: Iran supplying arms upsets the US. - 2/12/2007 6:43:24 AM   
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Whats the deal with the anti-Israeli sentiment on these boards? Is there something I should know about?


Read about the history of Israel and don't forget about the beginning. Israel was set up by terrorists with the aim of a greater Israel. It is all there and comes directly from the founders own mouths. I'm not saying the Arabs are innocent they aren't but the west and the US inparticularly are spectacularly hypocritical in their uncritical support of Israel which exacerbates the conflicts in the middle east. The US is threatening Iran for wanting nuclear weapons yet it is quite happy for Israel to have nuclear weapons because Israel is a US client in the area. Israel, armed and backed by the US has undermined every peace effort. Before people start claiming Barak offered land for peace, that offer was known to be unacceptable to any self respecting Palestinian before it was offered. Israel is still stealing Palestinian land, redirecting Palestinian water, ripping up Palestinian olive groves and creating an industrialised agricultural industry in a land that hasn't the long term water supply to sustain it which means somewhere down the road Israel will be starting another war over water. Either that or it will have to destroy what it has created and it is doubtful it will do that.

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RE: Iran supplying arms upsets the US. - 2/12/2007 6:55:50 AM   
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When Iran calls for the elimination of Israel, they mean the GOVERNMENT, and as a Jew, I agree that the mideast will NEVER get it's shit together with the current government.

ALL RELIGIOUS GOVERNMENTS ARE BAD. Secularism rules.

Jewish, Islamic, or Christian. ALL Religious Governments are bad.



100% accurate. "Wiping off the face of the map" is an English idiom which has no equivalent in Farsi. The speech was deliberately misrepresented. Farsi experts have translated the speech to be "this regime must be removed from the pages of time".

There is heated debate within the British Jewish community at the moment. Some very prominent Jews (actors, politicians, comedians etc) have formed a group of British Jews opposing the actions of the Israeli government and advocating civil rights for Palestinians. By all accounts, the Jewish community is split down the middle.

Edited for spelling


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