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ORIGINAL: Tuomas

Probably not the same thing at all, but in my fire department we run emergency training all the time. There is special enfasis on carrying out things as if they were real, and you do, in fact, forget that it's just an excersize. It is, afterall, the whole idea.

But, I don't think that explains why nothing resembling an F-14 was detected. Rather, radar signals do not identify the type of aircraft, but the transponder does. Lots of military aircraft simply shut off their transponder -particularly if they are on attack missions- so as to avoid detection.

That having been said, I always wonder at the insistence of admitting "wrongdoing", accepting responsability or appoligizing. If the soldiers followed the rules of engagement, there was no "wrongdoing". Just because a bunch of people get killed, it doesn't mean we have to find someone to blame. You can do everything right and proper, and still people will end up getting injured. It's not a perfect world.

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ORIGINAL: thompsonx
Tuomas:
Now that is what I pay taxes for a fireman who cannot tell the difference between a drill and reality.  
You see this is the point, that thing in between your ears is not just where you park your hat...you are suppose to think with it.  You are flying a 25 million dollar aircraft and peoples lives are at stake and saying opps is not really an option.  If you cannot do the job you are paid to do then stand down and let someone who can take your place.
No you do not turn your transponder off when you are in the attack mode it is what identifies you to your own side as a friendly duhhh...
Not to appologize for hurting or killing someone accidently is the height of rudeness.  It says loud and clear I am not sorry not my problem I will do it again when ever I feel like it.
thompson

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ORIGINAL: Tuomas

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ORIGINAL: thompsonx
Tuomas:
Now that is what I pay taxes for a fireman who cannot tell the difference between a drill and reality.  
You see this is the point, that thing in between your ears is not just where you park your hat...you are suppose to think with it.  You are flying a 25 million dollar aircraft and peoples lives are at stake and saying opps is not really an option.  If you cannot do the job you are paid to do then stand down and let someone who can take your place.
No you do not turn your transponder off when you are in the attack mode it is what identifies you to your own side as a friendly duhhh...
Not to appologize for hurting or killing someone accidently is the height of rudeness.  It says loud and clear I am not sorry not my problem I will do it again when ever I feel like it.
thompson

Hehe, then it's a good thing you don't pay me ;)

And my point was that no one said "oops". Considering neither one of us was there, it's rather arrogant to judge, don't you think? Particularly when we are not up to speed on all the facts. I was merely saying that drills are supposed to be realistic, and play out realistically as an addition to the OP's comments.

Transponders are shut off during the mission, I believe I stated. Of course on aproach to friendly territory, you would switch it back on. But, if you are trying to sneak up on someone, waving a big flashing becon is not exactly the best way to do it.

Now, appologizing, I can see. But that would be the person who actually did the killing.