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DominaSmartass -> RE: I've tried...really (1/26/2007 12:16:46 PM)
quote: Those little girls that sell cookies? No way!!!!?????!!!!..... (actually I think it is kinda a anime or cartoon) She will be along presently I presume. Oh my gods, no. Nothing against Anime, per se, but Firefly is nothing of the sort. It was a short-lived show created by Joss Whedon (of Buffy the Vampire Slayer fame) that has developed a well-deserved cult following. Here's the difference between Firefly and Gor, LA...though Firefly may not be up some people's alley personally, I have yet to meet someone who has examined it critically and said "This stuff is horrid! I can't even watch it!" In fact, everyone that I've ever suggest watch it has become an immediate fan. I'm not saying everyone on the planet will love Firefly but I'm talking about the difference between personal taste of something that is overwhelmingly lauded and a strange phenomenon surrounded books that I found painful to attempt reading. That's all.

LuckyAlbatross -> RE: I've tried...really (1/26/2007 12:36:52 PM)
Well the most common analogy people run is between Gor and Star Trek- that might be more telling than Firefly :) And yes, sadly, I know people who are not very fond of Firefly. For a reference to Firefly, try fireflyfans.net

mnottertail -> RE: I've tried...really (1/26/2007 12:43:34 PM)
The drawing of an analogy Between Gor and Star Trek is as wrong in my estimation that as the notion that they kills slaves for disobedience. SCA and medival or heraldric or Roman would be more the mindset....kinda Ron

MaryT -> RE: I've tried...really (1/26/2007 4:19:53 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DominaSmartass quote: If i see something i dont like i just move past it... i even at times might skip a paragraph if i deem it uninteresting Well in that case, I guess I have read all the Gor books. If you are like me, it won't help. The one I attempted was so badly written, I just couldn't stand it. I skipped and skipped and skipped. I gathered even then that it was an important thing to many people and resonated with them at a deep level. Aside from the terrible writing, it seemed to me, going by vocabulary and drive, to was targeted to adolescent males. Whatever connection other people felt with those books I simply could not make. As for Browncoats: I watch little TV and didn't discover the series until after it was cancelled, but I LOVE Firefly. I bought the series on DVD. I was happy to be at the theater when the movie opened, sharing popcorn and ideas with those who were all decked out. The movie "Serenity" wasn't a box office smash, but it boasted 3 stars. And my daughter named her Husky pup "River." [:)]

juliaoceania -> RE: I've tried...really (1/26/2007 4:28:14 PM)
I like fantasy lit, I read a lot of it. You know the Hobbit is a very simple book, written in simple language, but it is one of the best books I have ever read. Now Norman is no Tolkien, but his stuff was not boring to me either. In a way I think that Gor books have a certain charm to them because they do not pretend to be more than they are. There is one fantasy writer that makes me cringe because I read one too many of his books, and that is Terry Brooks... He is a disciple of Ayn Rand, lectures and pontificates through his books in the most pompous and ludicrous fashion. I read his first book, found it enjoyable, so I ordered the rest, that was a waste of over 100 bucks I will never see again, and since I bought them I read them. I thought he might stop the preaching.. boy was I wrong!

mnottertail -> RE: I've tried...really (1/26/2007 4:30:58 PM)
Well, I do not know of anyone who was kicked from the Gorean Boards, if you ain't fucking around trying to goof them or game them---they are a decent set of chaps, for the most part.... DCNOVICE was in there and got alot of laughs....they talk about alot of the same things that the larger boards do but it is best not to get into a BDSM/GOR discussion anymore than it pays to get into a sub/slave discussion here--- Peruse some of the threads there, I am sure they would (for the most part) welcome you, I have been pretty well recieved there even after the great gorean forum wars of ought four..... Ron

juliaoceania -> RE: I've tried...really (1/26/2007 4:32:48 PM)
I read the Gor board sometimes, I have never wanted to post because I am just a lowly female, and since I do not bow down to Gorean men, I feel it would be inappropriate for me to voice there... but reading them has been somewhat informative for me.

mnottertail -> RE: I've tried...really (1/26/2007 4:37:38 PM)
nobody requires your kow towing there. pretend you are at a munch and use societal politeness, that is all. They are rather martial in thought Julie, you can understand that. Ron

SmokingGun82 -> RE: I've tried...really (1/26/2007 4:52:08 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: onestandingstill It's mpre accepted like a history book, rather than a bible. Painful to read, but good reference material over all. suzanne It's still like the bible, then... complete fiction, with little if any resemblance to the real world, but useful as a teaching tool/starting point.

mnottertail -> RE: I've tried...really (1/26/2007 4:55:05 PM)
that is a fair assessment, and of course there exist fundamentalists in any discipline of study. Ron

LadyOunce -> RE: I've tried...really (1/26/2007 5:26:30 PM)
I couldn't get through them either. I tried once and haven't picked one up again. I was told that it was because I was a woman and a dominant one at that and they weren't written for me so it's my fault I can't understand them. I laughed a lot at that. I've heard white supremacists say the same thing about why blacks and jews don't understand that the bible is written only for white people.

Noah -> RE: I've tried...really (1/26/2007 5:37:24 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail Yeah, they are not for Physics research, you can read some here and some there, alot of repitition and suffers from the flaws you mentioned, when you get thru a few sentences, you can sit and daydream about what the point is.... But the fundamentals that are woven throughout the book they resonate with alot of people, thru heritage, thru core values. laughter and lust----all kinda ways, there are some parts of the plots that are paperthin and even worse....but the point is not tarns and sleens, they are metaphors, and if you can hang out thru the droll and everyday painfully trite moments in the books (which is just like an everyday life, you will find a moment here and there of extraordinary pleasure and responsiveness) if you search hard enough you will start to accumulate many of these, and one day you wake up and there you are............... Or, you could pick up a good book.

mnottertail -> RE: I've tried...really (1/26/2007 9:47:02 PM)
Ah, Noah; good books bad books, I don't care, I like to read, and I retain so little that it is of very little import in the first place, I read Foucaults Pendulum, by Umberto Ecco a rather massive work not so long ago, and it could have been done in a dozen pages, but what the hey...I have read most of the Tom Peters books, and there were several, and that whole series would have sufficed in 4 or 5 vapid slogans. I guess I have done some horrrid shit in reading, and I ain't to proud to skim chapters to figure out that A goes to B town and fucks the shit outta C and then gets buried in D. That is often sufficient. I did that throughout high school and have recently found out that Columbus sailed the ocean blue in 1492 in the Nina, Pinta and Santa Maria, as luck would have it, I have never needed that bit of information in my jobs. So--- that has worked out well, I think. Ron

michaels4evr -> RE: I've tried...really (1/26/2007 9:57:39 PM)
::raises hand:: "my name is michael's and i own sixteen of the Gor books..and have read half of them cover to cover.." :::now on to the second step:::

Emperor1956 -> RE: I've tried...really (1/26/2007 10:01:07 PM)
I can't read them at all. Then again, some of the "Icons" of B/D/S/M literature alternately bore me and nauseate me -- Did anyone ever read all of the "Beauty" series? Laurel K. Hamilton got dumb and dull fast. And I tried to read the Marketplace series, but I kept falling asleep or --feeling the need to read a clever fantasy written as fact -- reaching for Lewis Carroll. But I think the point that is well made is that people don't read the Gor novels for literary content. The fans read them because, as LA said, the books sing to something inside of them. And they keep on reading because that "something" keeps singing. Whether it is for a lifetime or for 20 minutes. And, OP, the fact that "Mr. Norman" (John Frederick Lange, Jr.) is a college professor is surely no indication that he can write well. Most college professors, in my fairly extensive experience, write in a stilted, dull and pretty much unreadable manner. Like lawyers. SMILE E.

mnottertail -> RE: I've tried...really (1/27/2007 6:11:40 AM)
I have read the entire Marketplace series, nothing in it gave me a woodie, and indeed alot of it was inestimately skimmable--- but that body of work has sang its little lullaby to many a soul, so like everything else, Gor ain't for everybody, but then it don't try to be. Oftimes when people get hinky out here between BDSM and Goreans it reminds me of the Muslims and the Christians. Ron

MaryT -> RE: I've tried...really (1/27/2007 7:51:08 AM)
Just to be clear, I've found the folks at the Gorean forum here to be very respectful, friendly and helpful when I posted a question there. Their responses were generally well-thought out too, and likewise in their responses on the general forum. My criticism was of the books themselves, and I am an English major, so I'm probably beyond hope there. [&:]

MaryT -> RE: I've tried...really (1/27/2007 7:56:25 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Emperor1956 I can't read them at all. Then again, some of the "Icons" of B/D/S/M literature alternately bore me and nauseate me -- Did anyone ever read all of the "Beauty" series? Great start, but the redundancy set in fast. I never finished even half of one Beauty book even though I thoroughly enjoyed other works by Rice.

SimplyMichael -> RE: I've tried...really (1/27/2007 8:07:03 AM)
As a testosterone addled kid who would jack off to anything I found the books fun for a few volumes but then finally got to the point where I asked "what the fuck IS this shit" and stopped reading them, that was junior high. Fast forward to my thirties and I join my first BDSM group and voila, the huge amorphous pile of flesh running the group is gorian. The only knife the guy could lift was one with food on it and could only waddle rather than walk. Fucking warriors my ass. I actually OWN a broadsword, have actually almost cut a person in half with it AND it isn't some dimestore POS, it is forged by one of the premier sword makers. There is an Australian gorean here who I have respect for, but on the planet so far he is about the only one I have yet to meet who I would say that of. I am sure there are five or six others who I haven't met yet. Gor is for people who value words above deeds, something I personally despise.

SimplyMichael -> RE: I've tried...really (1/27/2007 8:13:19 AM)
When I take the time I am a decent hack writer but I am taking a writing class with a prof who is an amazing teacher. I think when I am done I am going to tackle writing some BDSM fiction. Something a bit more human showing growth and depth. For some of the hotter stuff intersperce some watched scenes and internal fantasies. Show that being human can be sexy, that the path isn't one of being perfect but simply striving to be better and with enough sex and violence to make it good reading.

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