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kc692 -> RE: ProDommes (1/23/2007 5:40:45 PM)

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ORIGINAL: jtont

I couldn't agree with you more but it seems that is all they ask for where is the love in the lifestyle I understand there are lots of fake people out there.


I stopped right here at this point, so this may have been addressed...........you expected to find love with a pro domme?[sm=ofcourse.gif]




CreativeDominant -> RE: ProDommes (1/23/2007 6:03:08 PM)

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ORIGINAL: crouchingtigress

*sigh*....duped out of your money? how was that exactly?
 
just a heads up, one experience, is one experience, you dont need to make blanket assumptions about the whole section of the community  or that the only beautiful Dommes are the ones that dont charge money...
 
there are really crappy free ones and really awesome ones that charge...takes all kinds to make a world.
 
one thing to keep in mind in this pity party, is that when a male begs to "submit", "to surrender", "to give everything".....then IMPO they are the ones duping (read: lying) to their prospective mistress when they add the caviat "everything except money"
 
you are there to enrich her life, to make it better, dont you think it is more likely that a couple hundred dollars to pay the rent will make you more valuable and useful to her in her life then your cum drinking skills? 


Not to start an argument here but I assume you are speaking of a "pro" femdominant in the last couple of paragraphs above? 

Because if you are speaking of a "non-pro" femdominant and we are looking at what it takes in order for the submissive to enrich the dominant's life and make the dominant's life better, and the answer is a couple of hundred bucks to pay the rent...does that same hold true for female submissives in order to enrich their male dominant's life and make it better?  Would the same couple of hundred bucks do a better job than how many times the submissive can "cum for her dominant"?




MissBabydoll -> RE: ProDommes (1/24/2007 8:11:36 AM)

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ORIGINAL: kc692

quote:

ORIGINAL: jtont

I couldn't agree with you more but it seems that is all they ask for where is the love in the lifestyle I understand there are lots of fake people out there.


I stopped right here at this point, so this may have been addressed...........you expected to find love with a pro domme?[sm=ofcourse.gif]


I agree that the notion of finding *romance* with a Pro is unlikely, though it does happen from time to time by accident. But once again, this divides the world into two categories--"Pro" and Lifestyle," as if serious commiited lifestyle Dominants did not also do pro work. Those of us like me who don't do by-the-hour sessions with strangers but instead build long-term relationships with subs who tribute us often form bonds of deep affection with those subs. There is not one member of My (small) "inner circle" of long-term sub pets whom I don't love quite a bit, and when one leaves me unexpectedly, it hurts a lot. No, I'm not "in love" with any of them--but the relationship is intimate and loving nonetheless.




Celeste43 -> RE: ProDommes (1/24/2007 8:44:01 AM)

You know, this reminds me of the accountant my dad used to use. He was still working for some long time clients in his 70's. He was a real sweet guy but he hadn't kept up with changes in the field and led us astray.

Oddly enough I didn't stop using accountants, I got smarter at looking at their credentials and experience. I've gone to doctors who've given me answers I didn't like but I never became a Christian Scientist, I just found a second opinion from someone with better qualifications who was willing to take the time to call a specialist if needed and who would run appropriate tests to make sure that what he wanted to do was the correct treatment.

If you walked into some place and threw your naked body down without negotiating ahead of time while clothed what you wanted done in exchange for your money, then you got what you deserved. Unfortunately you don't sound as though you learned the right lesson from the experience. If what you had taken away was to negotiate first, write down what you agree on, get references and call them, ask detailed questions about her experience, inspect the place for safety and hygiene etc you would have learned more than enough for your lost fee. The fact that you refused to learn from the experience says a great deal about you and none of it flattering.




crouchingtigress -> RE: ProDommes (1/24/2007 9:05:08 AM)

You know my philosophy on all things BDSM is that the parameters and definitions can only be created by the people in that dynamic...but you ask an interesting question CD.

First let me say that my pro dom days have been over for over  a decade..

I can only speak from my own experience and that is that, i get so many letters from applicants that want me to consider them for a place in my household, and their qualifications as to how they will enhance my life seem to always be physical...piss drinking and cum drinking, the amount of pain they can with stand , their sacrifice of dressing in stockings and garters for me...

I have to be honest here, i dont really give a sh*t about that stuff, to me it is them disguising their fetish as a sacrifice to me.

What i look for is an applicant that can some how make my life better, accounting, foot massage, cooking, cleaning, animal husbandry, ect....and if a slave has none of these skills yet still wants to serve and offers me their money, to me it shows commitment and a desire to pitch in to my household.
 
I find this a more sincere declaration of devotion, then how many times they can wack off  wearing rubber banded chopsticks on their scrotum. lol
 
So that was my point to the OP for him to see that service is really about serving.....but also you may notice, the first thing i asked him is how he felt ripped off, and though he has come back admirably contrite, he still has not answered this. (OP:inquiring minds still want to know)

To answer your question
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does that same hold true for female submissives in order to enrich their male dominants life and make it better?  Would the same couple of hundred bucks do a better job than how many times the submissive can "cum for her dominant"?


To me it is yes, but its not everyones opinion I am sure. to me they are apples and oranges....one is voluntarily contributing to a household that supports a slave living out a life that fulfills them, and the other is simply an execise in training.

What i mean by that is that a slave cumming for a master is sort of a parlor trick, not unlike juggling....very entertaining. But it is not the same as taking ones hard earned money and putting it where it supports and nurtures a household that i have worked equally hard to create.

I will say CD, that i am not a male dom, and i wonder if having a female cum for you is equal to contributing to a household to you? And what sort of feelings having a slave come for you creates for you as a male dom? Males cum pretty much at anything so for me it is no big whoop, but a lot of females have a tough time reaching an O, so maybe it is different?

Thank you for asking such a good question.




CreativeDominant -> RE: ProDommes (1/24/2007 1:29:23 PM)

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ORIGINAL: crouchingtigress

You know my philosophy on all things BDSM is that the parameters and definitions can only be created by the people in that dynamic...but you ask an interesting question CD.

First let me say that my pro dom days have been over for over  a decade..

I can only speak from my own experience and that is that, i get so many letters from applicants that want me to consider them for a place in my household, and their qualifications as to how they will enhance my life seem to always be physical...piss drinking and cum drinking, the amount of pain they can with stand , their sacrifice of dressing in stockings and garters for me...

I have to be honest here, i dont really give a sh*t about that stuff, to me it is them disguising their fetish as a sacrifice to me.

What i look for is an applicant that can some how make my life better, accounting, foot massage, cooking, cleaning, animal husbandry, ect....and if a slave has none of these skills yet still wants to serve and offers me their money, to me it shows commitment and a desire to pitch in to my household.
 
I find this a more sincere declaration of devotion, then how many times they can wack off  wearing rubber banded chopsticks on their scrotum. lol
 
So that was my point to the OP for him to see that service is really about serving.....but also you may notice, the first thing i asked him is how he felt ripped off, and though he has come back admirably contrite, he still has not answered this. (OP:inquiring minds still want to know)

To answer your question
quote:

does that same hold true for female submissives in order to enrich their male dominants life and make it better?  Would the same couple of hundred bucks do a better job than how many times the submissive can "cum for her dominant"?


To me it is yes, but its not everyones opinion I am sure. to me they are apples and oranges....one is voluntarily contributing to a household that supports a slave living out a life that fulfills them, and the other is simply an execise in training.


But in those cases where the slave states that he needs/wants/desires something from the dominant other than a place to live and a chance to serve?  Like BDSM or sex or giving something back other than just what the dominant chooses?

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What i mean by that is that a slave cumming for a master is sort of a parlor trick, not unlike juggling....very entertaining. But it is not the same as taking ones hard earned money and putting it where it supports and nurtures a household that i have worked equally hard to create.
Exactly...which is why I have stated on other threads that I am not interested in a female submissive who has no intention of finding a job or who can never seem to hold one.  But I do feel that part of my obligation as a dominant is not just to accept service from someone whose desire is to serve me but to give what she needs in terms of dominance if what she needs is something that I desire to fulfill in the acting upon of my dominance.

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I will say CD, that i am not a male dom, and i wonder if having a female cum for you is equal to contributing to a household to you?
No.  Cumming for me is something that is, as you said, entertaining and rewarding as a physical display of my control of her sexuality.  It also fulfills something that any submissive that I would choose needs.  Contribution to my household...to paraphrase myself from elsewhere...is realization that I expect a submissive female to hold a job and contribute financially to the household she is living in and that, just like it is for me, upkeep of that household will be part and parcel of her duties for the betterment of our living circumstances and the entwinement of us as a D/s couple.

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And what sort of feelings having a slave come for you creates for you as a male dom? Males cum pretty much at anything so for me it is no big whoop, but a lot of females have a tough time reaching an O, so maybe it is different?
 Younger males maybe...but there again, there refractory period is much shorter than that of most older males.  As for the cumming of a female submissive, the difficulty or ease of it is not what I was addressing, I was merely using it as a complementary example to your example of the male submissive.  I won't say that it is more important as it has surely been expressed on here before when the sexual interest of femdominants in their male submissives as compared to the use of the male submissive as a non-paid servant was questioned before and the replies came back fast and furious that for many female dominants, there is just as much sexual interest as any other interest.

Thank you for asking such a good question.






crouchingtigress -> RE: ProDommes (1/24/2007 9:20:54 PM)

great answers Creative Dom, i am glad you took the time to explain your perspective, and i think we are very much on the same page: a slave must contribute not because of the money but because it is part of a strategy to building something real and something strong. Ill tell you even if i had all the money in the world, i still would hope a slave would work, it gives them a unique definition of themselves, self confidence, security, and it makes it so much sexier when the surrender all that worldly power to me.[:)]




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