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Serving women at work - 1/21/2007 6:00:57 PM   
graemesub


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Status: offline 		does any one out there have ideas to share about serving women at work? i work in a white collar professional environment. i try where i can to give preferential service to female rather than male colleagues. this can be the quality of work i give to bosses or help that i give to younger colleagues. i talk up the achievements of women in conversations. are there other men doing the same?
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RE: Serving women at work - 1/21/2007 6:03:42 PM   
mnottertail


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RE: Serving women at work - 1/21/2007 7:13:44 PM   
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.... i work in a white collar professional environment. i try where i can to give preferential service to female rather than male colleagues. .......


Why not try to be honest and give credit where credit is due regardless of gender or orientation?

Treat everyone with the treatment they deserve and have earned by their merit. Just a thought..

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RE: Serving women at work - 1/21/2007 10:13:45 PM   
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Status: offline 		Working better for female bosses than males is doing yourself, as well as your bosses, a disservice in my opinion. If you want to give deferential treatment, revert back to classic southern training: open doors for her, carry things for her an compliment her on her clothing choices.

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RE: Serving women at work - 1/21/2007 10:27:41 PM   
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Status: offline 		To be honest I tend to be more deferential to men than women. I tend to get along better with men in a professional environment. I do not know why, but that is the way it is. I listen the same, my quality of work is the same. It is more a feeling than an outer show of respect.

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RE: Serving women at work - 1/21/2007 11:48:05 PM   
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Status: offline 		I read this this morning and walked away rom it, however it's been on the back of my mind.  I wonder if since the OP is a service sub, if that's not bringing his kink into work.  He's living his fantasy with women who haven't given him permission to view them in a certain light.(Or at least that's how I read this)  I have no issues with being helpful at work, if it's just to be helpful.  I do take issue with using a work environment to get a kick or to get off on.

I could be way off here, but that's how I read it. 


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RE: Serving women at work - 1/22/2007 5:08:00 AM   
Celeste43


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Status: offline 		If you think your coworkers and bosses won't catch on, you're dreaming. By this obviously unfair approach you may cause people to assume you are having an affair with the very same woman you are hoping to help. Having it believed that she got a promotion because of the perception that she slept her way to it will be a hindrance not a help.

Having your male bosses and coworkers distrust you will mean you won't get credit you haven't earned and that will impact your career.

Plus you are involving these women in your sex life without consent. Very improper. Why not ask them if they want you to do this, give them your motivation and allow them the ability to choose. Of course they may choose to out you but right now you are causing gossip about them that they didn't choose either.

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RE: Serving women at work - 1/22/2007 5:19:59 AM   
DiurnalVampire


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quote:

ORIGINAL: graemesub

does any one out there have ideas to share about serving women at work? i work in a white collar professional environment. i try where i can to give preferential service to female rather than male colleagues. this can be the quality of work i give to bosses or help that i give to younger colleagues. i talk up the achievements of women in conversations. are there other men doing the same?

If I ran into this at work, I believe it would be referd to as "brownnosing". There are places it is acceptable to put your desire to serve above al else, however in the professional world is not one of them.  Someone's gender should not entitle them to better service. Because it is your profession, you should be concerned with providing the best service possible to everyone you work with.  If you are friendlier, chattier and more courteous to  the women you serve, thats one thing.  However having a marked difference in the quality of your interactions could bite you in the ass later on.

Just my humble opinion of course, but you really should be glad you havent suffered any repercusions for this yet.

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RE: Serving women at work - 1/22/2007 5:42:21 AM   
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Status: offline 		in myyyyyyyyyyy opinion I would feel creeped out if some dude at work/school tried to keep dominating me n vice versa if he kept trying to act submissive to me I mean come on just treat people normally for f**** sake even though you are submissive you don't have to submit to every single person in your life
(shit..did this sound vanilla)

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RE: Serving women at work - 1/22/2007 6:02:45 AM   
LadyEllen


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ORIGINAL: MissyRane

in myyyyyyyyyyy opinion I would feel creeped out if some dude at work/school tried to keep dominating me n vice versa if he kept trying to act submissive to me I mean come on just treat people normally for f**** sake even though you are submissive you don't have to submit to every single person in your life
(shit..did this sound vanilla)


Ditto

There was a guy in another office of my former employers, who behaved in a similar fashion towards the women there. The general verdict was, that he was what one might call in the Britspeak "a sad case". The men had no respect for him and treated him as a joke. The women found him creepy and thought he must be a pervert and didnt like him around them.

Nothing wrong with your interests GS, just wrong place and people to try to fulfill them. I hope you dont end up like the guy above.

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RE: Serving women at work - 1/22/2007 6:03:21 AM   
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ORIGINAL: graemesub
does any one out there have ideas to share about serving women at work? i work in a white collar professional environment. i try where i can to give preferential service to female rather than male colleagues. this can be the quality of work i give to bosses or help that i give to younger colleagues. i talk up the achievements of women in conversations. are there other men doing the same?


Well, if you rise to a management position, I would not recommend giving preferential treatment to female employees over males employees or you may end up with a sex discrimination lawsuit on your hands.
 
As far as bosses go, I happen to be a Female Dominant and I will admit that taking orders from male bosses makes me inwardly cringe.  However, I learned long ago that it is to my advantage to perform the work to the best of my ability regardless of who gives me the work assignment.  Right now, my direct boss is a male, but his boss is a female.  Due to the nature of our work, often she gives me projects directly.  Regardless of which gender gave me the work assignment, I perform the work equally well.  When I manage other employees myself, I treat them all equally regardless of gender as I don't want a lawsuit on my hands.
 
As far as other men doing what you are doing, yes there are some.  At one company, we had a young man administrative assistant who told me he would only accept a position working for a female boss.  And yes, he enthusiastically jumped at the opportunity to do anything I or any of the females in the department asked of him, but wasn't very excited about helping any of the males in the department, though he grudgingly would.
 
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RE: Serving women at work - 1/22/2007 7:16:47 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: graemesub

does any one out there have ideas to share about serving women at work? i work in a white collar professional environment. i try where i can to give preferential service to female rather than male colleagues. this can be the quality of work i give to bosses or help that i give to younger colleagues. i talk up the achievements of women in conversations. are there other men doing the same?

Hell No, Safe Sane AND CONSENSUAL behavior comes to mind. These women are not using you in service if they are just your co-workers thus your approach is not consensual, but rather deceptively a lame way to serve someone.
At your job that's a vanilla world.
Your discrimination as to how you'd want to serve and help women co-workers and leave the men on their own in my opinion is plain selfish and rude of you, let alone sexual discrimination in the work force you're in.
If I saw you behaving like that where I worked I'd think you an insecure, brown nosing, immature, no life, lonely ass kisser and want no part of you around me.
Sorry for the force and fuss, but you asked for opinions and unfortunately for you this is clearly mine.
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RE: Serving women at work - 1/22/2007 8:50:02 AM   
SweetSarijane


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Status: offline 		Your kink doesn't belong at work, work belongs at work, and these women haven't consented for you to serve them or submit to them. Save your submission for a consenting woman.

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RE: Serving women at work - 1/22/2007 8:54:12 AM   
SweetSarijane


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ORIGINAL: desertdancer

I read this this morning and walked away rom it, however it's been on the back of my mind.  I wonder if since the OP is a service sub, if that's not bringing his kink into work.  He's living his fantasy with women who haven't given him permission to view them in a certain light.(Or at least that's how I read this)  I have no issues with being helpful at work, if it's just to be helpful.  I do take issue with using a work environment to get a kick or to get off on.

I could be way off here, but that's how I read it. 



That's how I read it too each time. I kept rereading it carefully to see if it came across any different but it still keeps coming up as taking your kink to work and pushing it nonconsentually on female co workers.

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RE: Serving women at work - 1/22/2007 12:11:36 PM   
graemesub


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Status: offline 		all women are consenting adults seeking, in the corporate jungle, all advantage and credit they can get

the job titles of women i work for are variously, project sponsor, director of marketing, programme manager. they are high level coworkers.

i myself am considered a 'start' performer and am in demand. i have risen in my company. people seek me out for their own advantage

we all network. who i network with and who networks with me is not determined by any rules. it's the nature of networking that you make your own contacts and relationships start and last where there is mutual benefit.

no kink involved. this is work.

if a man is aggressive and a woman is cooperative often the man will rise above the woman. if i choose to cooperate with a woman and together that creates a strong network as opposed to,  say, a hierarchy that is our choice

i work as a manager and treat all my staff fairly. i'm talking about peers, superiors, customers. big boys and girls

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RE: Serving women at work - 1/22/2007 12:15:32 PM   
graemesub


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Status: offline 		you are free to work with those you choose and will have your own bias. i am aware of my bias to women at work. i am not aware of bias towards, say, white men

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RE: Serving women at work - 1/22/2007 12:16:39 PM   
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Status: offline 		Why not try to treat people based on their individual merits.  You don't always know where/when you'll need that next recommendation.  I can be as helpful to a volunteer as I can be to my boss.  It's all important to my job.

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RE: Serving women at work - 1/22/2007 12:19:59 PM   
graemesub


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ORIGINAL: onestandingstill

Hell No, Safe Sane AND CONSENSUAL behavior comes to mind.
 


all that i do is consensual? it's just not 'old boys network' consensual

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RE: Serving women at work - 1/22/2007 12:22:07 PM   
graemesub


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Well, if you rise to a management position, ...
 


what have i said that has led you to think that i am not in a management position?

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RE: Serving women at work - 1/22/2007 12:30:48 PM   
graemesub


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ORIGINAL: Celeste43

If you think your coworkers and bosses won't catch on, you're dreaming. By this obviously unfair approach you may cause people to assume you are having an affair with the very same woman you are hoping to help. Having it believed that she got a promotion because of the perception that she slept her way to it will be a hindrance not a help.



we all have alliances at work . those alliances are mutually self serving. and those excluded will think what they will

if i promote a man they will not think i am sleeping with him they will think that i have promoted him because he is a man. and most places they'd be right

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ORIGINAL: Celeste43

Having your male bosses and coworkers distrust you will mean you won't get credit you haven't earned and that will impact your career.



I have been promoted and received substantial pay increases within the company i have worked for for 7 years

both levels above me are female.

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ORIGINAL: Celeste43

Plus you are involving these women in your sex life without consent.


sex life? what am i doing without consent?

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