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RE: How far would you be willing to take your BSDM Life... - 1/13/2007 3:23:00 PM

slavejali

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The "concept" of living within a BDSM community that way is appealing to me however....even when people do not live like that and are only involved in the BDSM community as we know it today (attending munches, clubs, parties etc),..there is so much politics in that.....I wonder how well your idea would work.

I've actually been involved in community living arrangements,, the whole ideology behind it was so fantastic, productive, amazing, however, I found..whenever you get a group of people together....trouble brews. Everyone has different ideas, couples have arguements, its very hard for people to focus on a group goal rather than their personal ones. You see this in politics all the time.....I really dont have much faith in a democratic system of running things...I don't think its productive..yet the alternative probably doesn't work either, you end up with someone in charge who gets corrupted and the intitial great idea...goes haywire.

I like the concept....communities such as how the Amish people live (not really how they live I love modern appliances) really appeal to me and they do work but there has to be a greater goal for people to focus on over and above themselves for anything like this to work...and in this day and age...of self-interest....it would really take a lot of work to create...and...maintain.

If the idea is just based around a complex, where people are not also working together to achieve group goals and are not all focused on living towards an ideology of similar standards for relationship and interaction...I don't really see the point..if people wanted to live close to other like minded friends within the BDSM community they could just move to the same town..even the same street..yet each maintain their own individual home and individual lifestyle...and their money need not be caught up within an corporation.

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RE: How far would you be willing to take your BSDM Life... - 1/13/2007 3:23:43 PM

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How far would you be willing to take your BSDM Life style?

Would you be willing to move and to live in a adult only community that was accepting of your choices? Would you relocate to another country, province or state?

If a BSDM adult only community was in the planning stages, would it make you seriously consider relocation.

How much would a home (house or condo of 2000 sq ft) in such a community be worth to you?

Would you be willing to invest your time and money, before during and afterwards for such a community?

What would it take to get involved?

Honestly speaking I don’t want to hear from the no crowd. I know there will be many will say no that they have a job and family where they are, and further more it would be too difficult for them to make such a transition.

I want to find 70 or more people that would like to own a piece of this property or be an investor.

This inspiration would involve creating a 70 unit Cooperative Condominium Complex, geared towards those in this life style.

The property would be with in a 2 hours drive of Toronto Ontario Canada.

The average price of homes in this area, range from $200k-300k. (Canadian $)However as a Private Cooperative the price per unite could be dropped a fair amount.

I would like to hear some serious feed back.

Please note, this is a concept at this time.

Nothing has been initiated as yet.

I personally like the concept of a bed-and-breakfast inn that would cater only to those folks interested in a getaway weekend of play and exploration of the BDSM lifestyle. I love the idea of being able to fill 3 or 4 bedrooms with 6 - 8 interesting people who would relish the chance to meet others in a private, warm, luxurious setting and avail themselves of the opportunity to play publicly in a private home.

Sounds like a good concept, right? But...think of the advertising you would have to put out. And think about the fact that, even if you were to blanket all 50 states with ads for this D/s BDSM bed and breakfast, that you would still be lucky to fill it each weekend with even only 4 other couples who:
1. wanted to come to where your B and B is because there are enough interesting things to do during the day while out and away from the inn
2. are relaxed enough that within an evening could be discussing D/s with others and displaying themselves playing publicly in a small, intimate group.
3. want to pay the price of getting there, pay for the unmentionables' upkeep while they are gone, and who can let themselves go enough to engage in couple play once they've retired to their bedroom knowing that the others may/may not be using their noises as part of their couples play

I still love the idea of running a B and B but I realize it would most likely have to be an inn that catered most of the time to vanillas with specific D/s weekends planned with plenty of advance warning going out to potential customers

I am not knocking your concept. I am just not sure it has been all that well thought-out yet and it seems that others are bringing up good questions around your kink-only community

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RE: How far would you be willing to take your BSDM Life... - 1/13/2007 8:20:49 PM

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I really apreciate all the various oppinions. Thank you !

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RE: How far would you be willing to take your BSDM Life... - 1/13/2007 8:28:48 PM

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I would be willing to build a huge house on Mine and My girl bishops 8 acres of land and have a slew of male slaves.I mean like deserted island style waving leaves to fan U/us....Ohhh what a life

Or at this time of year in Maine they would be getting wood for the stove to stay warm..LOL

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RE: How far would you be willing to take your BSDM Life... - 1/13/2007 11:05:48 PM

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Personally, even if it was practical for me to live/work around such a community I am pretty sure I would prefer a hotel/campground type deal where I could visit for a weekend, or maybe even as long as a month.

Isolationism for a "retreat" would be far more acceptable to outsiders than it would be for a permanant community I expect.

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RE: How far would you be willing to take your BSDM Life... - 1/14/2007 6:33:52 AM

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It'd take about 45 minutes from the first bulldozer turning dirt there to have this on the news.

Within 45 minutes of that event, every deposit on the place would have been rescinded.

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RE: How far would you be willing to take your BSDM Life... - 1/14/2007 7:03:29 AM

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Other than being able to talk to and see my kids occasionally or when they needed to establish contact with me I would go as far as the Master that owned wanted me to mostly.
Mind you if he constantly permanently marred me or caused me broken bones or serious health risks I'd leave him and he would no longer be my Master so I guess those things too.
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RE: How far would you be willing to take your BSDM Life... - 1/14/2007 7:53:30 AM

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Some of you thinking to narrow mindedly.

You don't publicly proclaim this stuff. (Quickly grabs the town crier:
"Hear Yee, Hear Yee, 70 Dens of Satanism being built north of Toronto”).

There is so much development in the Greater Toronto Area, it would likely go unnoticed. It would be perceived as another planned community development, or private vacation area.

As a side note:
Actually, in Toronto, I might just proclaim it! Toronto is infamous for being the most Multicultural City in the world, for being very liberal and for having largest gay community north of San Fran. Heck that might fill those empty spots rather quickly. L.O.L.

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RE: How far would you be willing to take your BSDM Life... - 1/14/2007 7:59:40 AM

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Yes lot's Devils advocacy, I'd say if you aren't interested, just say so - anyway, how about this property?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/property/main.jhtml?xml=/property/2007/01/06/pdrac06.xml

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RE: How far would you be willing to take your BSDM Life... - 1/14/2007 8:01:32 AM

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Still, by way of devils advocacy - what do you tell Vanilla's who drop in randomly to check the place out?

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RE: How far would you be willing to take your BSDM Life... - 1/14/2007 8:02:00 AM

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Why do you feel such a community would be needed? It seems to me that most of us are able to live this lifestyle as we desire, without needing to separate ourselves out in every aspect of our lives. By separating it out, I would guess that you might draw more attention to it. I would also worry about the resale value.

Be well,
Julie

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RE: How far would you be willing to take your BSDM Life... - 1/14/2007 8:04:47 AM

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Dracula's home....mmmm.... I like where your heading.

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RE: How far would you be willing to take your BSDM Life... - 1/14/2007 8:11:04 AM

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Julie, I believe youmay have missed an earlier post of mine, that answeres the question of resale.

As for the need.
There is no need. Do you need a TV, or Car, or Internet.

I would do it be cause I could, and because to some it maybe of interest.

What would I tell the Vanilla's who drop in randomly to check the place out?
I would ask who will be wearing the collar today?

When in Rome, do as the Romans.
When in a Islamic Country, women wear head coverings.
When in Gemany, men dont wear deorderant, (they think its feminine).

I could go on and on...

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RE: How far would you be willing to take your BSDM Life... - 1/14/2007 8:22:07 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: enigmaslave

Dracula's home....mmmm.... I like where your heading.

I'll need a finders fee for that - an invitation to the housewarming party should work...

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RE: How far would you be willing to take your BSDM Life... - 1/14/2007 8:23:57 AM

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You bet, no problem

adding Amaros to the invitation list. May I have you preferences please?

Cigarrets or cigars ? Brandy or wine ? Beef or chicken?

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RE: How far would you be willing to take your BSDM Life... - 1/14/2007 8:27:37 AM

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sure I'm interested, but Id much prefer it to one where I can have a family in the future, nudist colonies had kids back in the 60-70's right? As for neighbors who freak out on you ---Why not do it on an island?

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RE: How far would you be willing to take your BSDM Life... - 1/14/2007 8:29:49 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: enigmaslave

How far would you be willing to take your BDSM Life style?

Would you be willing to move and to live in a adult only community that was accepting of your choices? Would you relocate to another country, province or state?

While I'm a big supporter of community, there are many questions to be answered. Return on investment was mentioned. Also, would you run it like a condo to ensure continuity of appearance and to protect the investment? Don't want people screwing hooks into all the wood work now do you? What about security to keep the press out? What about zoning laws and other laws of the area. In many areas WIIWD is illegal. Making a BDSM community draws a big target with the local authorities on you. You might not even get zoned for a private community with all the anti discrimination laws in many areas. How many Gay only communities do you know of?

Over the years there have been "Lifestyle" B&B's but being public, places like Shadowfind B&B that was in Niles, MI had to open its doors to the general public as well. Try getting insurance with a dungeon in your cellar. Would you have public facilities like dungeons and who would monitor them? Need a staff? Look at the demographics of the lifestyle. I don't see a whole lot of money when I attend Munches. Event's like Camp Crucible (http://www.campcrucible.com/) draw from around the country and only last a long weekend. Start with looking at the demographics of major lifestyle events. Yes, they can be fun but after a couple of days most are ready to go back home.

If I had $3-400,000 I'd buy an old Victorian with about 8 bedrooms (6,000 sq ft) and create my own little world. Ok, on the coasts that would probably cost $1,000,000. I have thought of moving my "house" into the mountains or onto a ranch somewhere with a low cost of living and building my own compound. That way I could still control who my neighbor was. I really don't wish to hear "Fred" next door cracking a bull whip, and "suzie" moaning at 2am.

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RE: How far would you be willing to take your BSDM Life... - 1/14/2007 8:35:52 AM

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Thank you Mitress Melissa, these are very insightful pieces of information.

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RE: How far would you be willing to take your BSDM Life... - 1/14/2007 8:44:24 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: enigmaslave

How far would you be willing to take your BSDM Life style?

Would you be willing to move and to live in a adult only community that was accepting of your choices? Would you relocate to another country, province or state?

If a BSDM adult only community was in the planning stages, would it make you seriously consider relocation.

How much would a home (house or condo of 2000 sq ft) in such a community be worth to you?

Would you be willing to invest your time and money, before during and afterwards for such a community?

What would it take to get involved?

Honestly speaking I don’t want to hear from the no crowd. I know there will be many will say no that they have a job and family where they are, and further more it would be too difficult for them to make such a transition.

I want to find 70 or more people that would like to own a piece of this property or be an investor.

This inspiration would involve creating a 70 unit Cooperative Condominium Complex, geared towards those in this life style.

The property would be with in a 2 hours drive of Toronto Ontario Canada.

The average price of homes in this area, range from $200k-300k. (Canadian $)However as a Private Cooperative the price per unite could be dropped a fair amount.

I would like to hear some serious feed back.

Please note, this is a concept at this time.

Nothing has been initiated as yet.

You don't really think you are the first one to think of this do you?

I would like a place where I could go to meet O/others with the same interests I have, but I also like diversity. For the same reason I wouldn't live in a tract home, I wouldn't live in a place like this.

Cordially,
minxy

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RE: How far would you be willing to take your BSDM Life... - 1/14/2007 8:46:54 AM

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You ask a question

quote:

ORIGINAL: enigmaslave

Would you be willing to move and to live in a adult only community that was accepting of your choices? Would you relocate to another country, province or state?

Then say this

quote:

Honestly speaking I don’t want to hear from the no crowd. I know there will be many will say no that they have a job and family where they are, and further more it would be too difficult for them to make such a transition.

and wind up with

quote:

I would like to hear some serious feed back.

Doesn't sound like much intellectually honesty there, but I'm going to go ahead and introduce a bit of reality.

First, while surveys and studies indicate from five to fifty percent of the population is to one degree or another kinky, the actual numbers of people who are willing to act on their interests are quite small. In ten years of operating a kinky mail order company, I only accumulated about seventy thousand names. Most BDSM organizations are a few hundred strong at best. This makes the original buyer pool quite small and, more importantly, makes the resale pool even smaller. You'd have to find people who are willing to purchase property with little guarantee they would be able to resell it if that became necessary.

As someone who has both served on vanilla condo boards and who ran The Boston Dungeon Society for almost ten years, I can assure you that vanilla board are bad enough. Anything with kink folks involved quickly becomes a situation of "herding cats." For one thing, how are you going to define "kinky?" I can easily see a situation where an owners' board comes to blows about approving a sale to someone who is a vanilla crossdresser or a non-play fetish dresser.

Another factor, I'm not too aware of Canadian housing laws, but I've noticed from posts that the personal freedom laws of Canada seem to be stronger than those in the US. Is it even legal to refuse to admit someone into a community based on their sexual preference. Such laws cut both ways. A law that forbids refusing to sell to a sadomasochist would equally forbid requiring people to be sadomasochists in order to buy.

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