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RE: Possible Whistle Blower! - 1/17/2007 10:10:34 AM   
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ORIGINAL: farglebargle

I still say the REAL CAUSE of the WTC collapse was shitty and corrupt construction techniques commonly used all over NYC...


you have a point there!
http://www.skyscrapermodels.us/models/World_Trade_Center_NYC.html


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RE: Possible Whistle Blower! - 1/18/2007 6:50:18 PM   
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I wonder if real actually read the article from 2003 he posted.  http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2003-07-13-911-families-cover-usat_x.htm  .  It does indeed say that less than 100 of the amost 3000 familes have filed law suits.  That is less than 3%.  Not THE families.  Not even SOME of the families.  Less than 3%, A FEW of the families.  Though in the article it does say, 

 "But Debeuneure says he's learned that the fund would pay him nothing. Congress requires payouts to be reduced by any amounts that survivors have gotten from life insurance and other death benefits. Debeuneure says his father was "well-prepared" for death because of insurance.
Nine other families sued Feinberg, saying his formulas shortchange victims who made more than $231,000 a year when compared with sums that juries regularly award such victims' families in tort actions.
In May, a federal judge in New York upheld Feinberg's rules. Many of those now filing civil suits, relatives of high-income and well-insured professionals, aren't happy with what they'd get from Feinberg's fund. " 

So 10 of the less than 100( over 10 %), are rich people simply wanting more money, not out of disbelief of the official accounting of the events as Real pretends.

"Most 9/11 cases are traditional tort lawsuits that accuse U.S.-based defendants of negligence. Complaints name airlines, Boeing (for allegedly "flimsy" cockpit doors), three security-checkpoint screening firms and the airports that the hijackers passed through — Boston's Logan International, Dulles International near Washington, D.C., Newark (N.J.) International, and Portland (Maine) International Jetport." 

Again from Real's source.   Most( over 50%) of the suits are again not in disbelief of the official version.

"Some complaints on behalf of victims on the ground name the Trade Center, alleging that it had poor fireproofing and gave workers in the south tower tragically bad advice to stay at their desks after the north tower was struck."

This goes against what Real has claimied many times, that there were no( or only insiginificant) fires, that had nothing to do with the buildings falling. 

"Families have another option that carries the longest odds of all.
Congress allowed them to sue "knowing participants in the hijacking conspiracy" without losing rights to government compensation. More than 4,000 victims' survivors have joined 11 lawsuits against terrorists and their alleged supporters.
These complaints are a long international reach for justice, and for whatever assets of the defendants can be found in the USA.
Led by tobacco-wars veteran Ron Motley of Mount Pleasant, S.C., a consortium of law firms last August plunked a 406-page complaint into federal court in Washington, D.C. It targets rich Muslims who allegedly have helped to fund al-Qaeda.
Among the 225 defendants: the bin Laden family's Saudi Arabia-based construction business; five Saudi princes, including the defense and interior ministers and the former chief of intelligence; Arab-owned banks, and Islamic foundations. Other attorneys have brought two similar suits.
Saudi officials have said the royal family considers the suit "culturally offensive and undignified." Several Saudi defendants have asked a U.S. judge to dismiss the lawsuit."

Here we see again, that the vast majority of the families do not agree with Real and his silly thoeries.   Thank you for posting the link showing it.
And we see that Real can't actually comprehend what he reads, could be related to his stated distaste for grammar.

For him to claim that he speaks for them is offensive.  The question is does he do it from malice or ignorance?

"For most of those who have gone to court, suing over the 9/11 attacks is more than a way to collect money or answer lingering questions, says Larry Klayman, chairman and chief counsel of Judicial Watch. "It's also a cathartic experience for the client."
Ashton's fervor is proof of that. Aside from suing United Airlines, she is the lead plaintiff in a suit that seeks $1 trillion in damages from international terrorists.
She says she signed on "because I want these bastards, these Iraqis and Iran and al-Qaeda and bin Laden, I want them to know my son's name. My son would really think it was very cool." "


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RE: Possible Whistle Blower! - 1/18/2007 7:24:16 PM   
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Thank you Luckydog, I was wondering if anyone else would see the (to me at least) glaring errors in Reals data and comment on them.

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RE: Possible Whistle Blower! - 1/20/2007 9:00:16 AM   
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One of the hallmarks of several Latin American countries has been the speed and efficiency with which their elected leaders are removed or driven from office, in the role of sacrificial lambs.  It's a manifestation in a democracy of a society that refuses to shoulder the burden of civic and personal responsibility.  If terrorists hijack a plane, and crash it into a building, it's become second nature for people to accuse everyone from the concrete pourer to God himself of conspiracy, fraud, theft, blackmailing, murder, and treason.

Filing of lawsuits in today's society is about as meaningful as most marriages of people under the age of 20.  Certainly a few have merit, but statistics show most don't. 

The irony, of course, is that the demands are clearly not for the truth - but for retribution.  Surely, the fault must lie with our leaders, because if we accepted the truth; that it was we who elected them there wouldn't be any cash for grab.  There's no secret that the US government does a lot of things we do not like to hear.  It's also no secret that we, the voting population, do not hold that government accountable for their actions.  Sick fish do not corrupt the water.  Corrupt pools are what make the fish sick.   Think about that next time you're pointing at Bush.

Real0ne,

I'd be happy to address specific evidence you have or can cite that proves (and not merely hints) at a cover up.  It's no secret that the US government does terrible things, and we can't guess how many events have been 'covered-up'; but a lot more than a preponderance of accusations will be necessary to prove this is one of those situations.

If you feel you must evidence proof with video, kindly write a summery of the points made, and facts sorted.  I'd no more watch another 2 hours of droning about how it's the CIA's fault, then I would watch CSPAN debates on appropriations for government office supplies.

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RE: Possible Whistle Blower! - 1/20/2007 1:25:25 PM   
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One of the hallmarks of several Latin American countries has been the speed and efficiency with which their elected leaders are removed or driven from office, in the role of sacrificial lambs.  It's a manifestation in a democracy of a society that refuses to shoulder the burden of civic and personal responsibility.  If terrorists hijack a plane, and crash it into a building, it's become second nature for people to accuse everyone from the concrete pourer to God himself of conspiracy, fraud, theft, blackmailing, murder, and treason.

Filing of lawsuits in today's society is about as meaningful as most marriages of people under the age of 20.  Certainly a few have merit, but statistics show most don't.

The irony, of course, is that the demands are clearly not for the truth - but for retribution.  Surely, the fault must lie with our leaders, because if we accepted the truth; that it was we who elected them there wouldn't be any cash for grab.  There's no secret that the US government does a lot of things we do not like to hear.  It's also no secret that we, the voting population, do not hold that government accountable for their actions.  Sick fish do not corrupt the water.  Corrupt pools are what make the fish sick.   Think about that next time you're pointing at Bush.

Real0ne,

I'd be happy to address specific evidence you have or can cite that proves (and not merely hints) at a cover up.  It's no secret that the US government does terrible things, and we can't guess how many events have been 'covered-up'; but a lot more than a preponderance of accusations will be necessary to prove this is one of those situations.

If you feel you must evidence proof with video, kindly write a summery of the points made, and facts sorted.  I'd no more watch another 2 hours of droning about how it's the CIA's fault, then I would watch CSPAN debates on appropriations for government office supplies.

Stephan




One problem with this "democratic" society is that we only have checks and balances that reach so far.

Take for example the case of a secret society such as the skull and bones.  Working together to gain powerful positions in government.  As one person gains power they bring their friends along leap frogging their way up the ladder to the presidency.  Eventually as has happened in the last election we have 2 guys who have their same secret agenda and a sworn allegieance to skull and bones which was created by Bush who funded Hitler and the Nazi build up that led to millions of deaths.  They appoint all their friends and buddies to strategic positions and have a network of operatives within this government.  

It no longer matters who we vote for, in the end we will get more fascism and less democracy as a little research shows that our government is infiltrated with these people.  

You are correct in that they are irresponsible.  Its calcuolated and planned irresponsibility however.  Its because we have no way to touch them, especially if there is no evidence to convict.  The problem of course is that evidence gets destroyed, turns up missing or is never found in the first place.

The reason is that they control it.  They are the people responsible for its discovery and safe keeping are the same people.   

Now if you were president and wanted to commit a crime, and did commit a crime, you would get on the phone, call up a trusted friend who is in charge of the evidence and tell him to make sure it disappears.  Pay him off and remember to remind himhis life depends on it.

If it looks like he will turn on you then you murder him in a manner it looks like suicide.  Obvious example, (vince foster).

Which is what is happening and continues to happen and is the reason people here cry conspiracy.  Because it is a conspiracy.

In as much as 911 is concerned the government quickly skirted off all of the 911 evidence to be melted down overseas.  That is illegal!  It is illegal in this country to destroy or dispose of crime scene evidence.

When the planes went down in newfoundland and florida we spent millions to dig them up and pull them up from the bottom of the ocean floor so we could recreate the situation or at least peice it together and find out what happened.  we "collected" the evidence.  The whole damn plane!  These same republicans  spend over 100 million on digging into clinton getting his dick sucked in the oval office and a miniscule 14 million to investigate the biggest crime of this century, 911!

To compound the issue they only saved evidence and (a very little bit of it) that supports their story which would remove it from any possibilty of peer reviewed scutiny.  (another smoking gun!)  They lost all the evidence that was pertinent.  They are playing us all or trying to play us all for suckers.

Thankfully private citizens went to the junk barges and scrap yards and took their own samples "against" the governments requests to keep them out.  These samples were taken to labs and tested and have shown that the buildings were brought down with explosives, not by a little airplane crash and black smoke.

Since i have this huge rather unorganized library of sources, (mostly videos),  if you want any particular thing sourced let me know and i will source it then otherwise i will assume you know what i am talking about.

So lets start with the destruction of evidence of a crime scene.  That is not incompetence, its a criminal act.

Next easy one is who got fired?  When there is incompetence people have to resign.

Who got fired over 911?  unless yhou know of someone every one i know of got promoted!



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RE: Possible Whistle Blower! - 1/20/2007 1:31:42 PM   
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then I would watch CSPAN debates on appropriations for government office supplies.


Oh, but they can be fascinating. Robert Byrd's oration on toner deserves to be carved in stone.

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RE: Possible Whistle Blower! - 2/3/2007 4:41:03 AM   
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then I would watch CSPAN debates on appropriations for government office supplies.


Oh, but they can be fascinating. Robert Byrd's oration on toner deserves to be carved in stone.


Ha!  Robert Byrd deserves to be carved in stone!  LOL


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