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Possible Whistle Blower! - 1/12/2007 5:52:05 AM   
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Regardless of how one feels regarding the tragedy of 911, i think this new highly intellectual discussion board reviews the events and issues surrounding the need for a new investigation of 911.

Thisis a very organized non book selling symposium where they talk about Direct unansnswered questions, requests sent to the government to debate openly and publically the sceintific issues, the organization of an external investigation by other countries into the events of 911, as well as it sounds like they may have found a whistle blower that is willing to come forward with details of who was all involved.

To find out more details you will have to watch it.  
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3195658770053494633&q=kpfa-911-and-american-empire

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RE: Possible Whistle Blower! - 1/12/2007 7:15:09 AM   
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In an era where one can be booted for wearing a tee shirt with words on it.... i shudder to think of what we are evolving into.

Im hearing it now.

dissent which is healthy- is now caged in a free speech zone. how stupid.

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RE: Possible Whistle Blower! - 1/12/2007 7:20:29 AM   
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To the OP, this is too deep for me.

IMO- the govt failed to do its job- then ballyhood how we havent been attacked since. the 2nd plane should have never hit- so this is why I feel the govt is negalgable.

Manhatten has among teh most valueable realestate on earth. a 2nd plan hitting?   uncanny.

I REALLYYYYYYY HATE the ID theft thrust- it is making life more difficult- the boogie man has got us.

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RE: Possible Whistle Blower! - 1/12/2007 7:23:10 AM   
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Regardless of how one feels regarding the tragedy of 911, i think this new highly intellectual discussion board reviews the events and issues surrounding the need for a new investigation of 911.

I'm pretty sure that those who lost someone they love in this tragedy would disagree. Why keep scratching at old wounds when you are never going to have the true answer. All you are going to have is several conspiracy theories.

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RE: Possible Whistle Blower! - 1/12/2007 7:54:59 AM   
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Regardless of how one feels regarding the tragedy of 911, i think this new highly intellectual discussion board reviews the events and issues surrounding the need for a new investigation of 911.

I'm pretty sure that those who lost someone they love in this tragedy would disagree. Why keep scratching at old wounds when you are never going to have the true answer. All you are going to have is several conspiracy theories.



No Miss you totally have the wrong impression, totally.

There are over 12000 testimonies of many bombs going off in the buildings just before and during the collapses that have been recorded.from people that were eye witnesses at the site and that has been totally ignored in ALL government reports and analysis.

The victims want answers.
The victims want justice.
The victims are pushing for a new investigation..
The victims are unsatisfied the government did a valid investigation.
The victims want closure.
In short the victims do not believe the government.

Just google it lots of sites of victime seeking justice and even law suits against bush for deriliction of duty etc.

That and we cannot forget, its only a theory till there is hard evidence otherwise. 

Events that have defied physics is hard evidence. (at least in a scientific world) that would be used in a courtroom should people be brought up on charges.  So there is hard evidence regardless if it is acknowledged by any government or not.

Ironically other countries have taken more of an interest in investigating this than we in america. 

The families of the victims want justice and frankly i hope they get it!  Both for their sake and the sake of this country.




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RE: Possible Whistle Blower! - 1/12/2007 8:28:46 AM   
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Real,

Until you start addressing the obviously gaping holes in most of your own assertions, it will be difficult to take your conspiracy theories seriously.  Preponderance of accusations does not amount to preponderance of evidence.

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RE: Possible Whistle Blower! - 1/12/2007 8:29:39 AM   
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Talk about a one trick pony.  When you jerk off, do you you think about this too?

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RE: Possible Whistle Blower! - 1/12/2007 8:40:05 AM   
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Kenin, are you referring to me, or Real?

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RE: Possible Whistle Blower! - 1/12/2007 9:25:26 AM   
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quote:

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Real,

Until you start addressing the obviously gaping holes in most of your own assertions, it will be difficult to take your conspiracy theories seriously.  Preponderance of accusations does not amount to preponderance of evidence.

Stephan



Kool i am up for it....  this side or the other? 

i wont be on tho for a couple days, out on biznezz.



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RE: Possible Whistle Blower! - 1/12/2007 9:41:19 AM   
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Rather do it this side, it's not a personal issue for me.

Have a safe trip.

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RE: Possible Whistle Blower! - 1/16/2007 10:26:18 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Stephann

Rather do it this side, it's not a personal issue for me.

Have a safe trip.

Stephan



i would be interested to see if my gaping holes are larger than the governments :)


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RE: Possible Whistle Blower! - 1/16/2007 10:34:25 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Real0ne
The victims want answers.
The victims want justice.
The victims are pushing for a new investigation..
The victims are unsatisfied the government did a valid investigation.
The victims want closure.
In short the victims do not believe the government.



In ALL instances I would suggest replacing "the" with "some". Once you can deal with that simple issue I may pay a little more attention to such rambles, but it is pretty unlikely.

On a personal note THE victims I know are perfectly content with the answers they have, are pleased with the justice that has been handed out, believe that the official inevestigation was suitably in-depth, have laid their ghosts to rest as best as possible and believe the government no less and no more than 10 years ago.

As for closure, I am sure many would find it easier if some folks didnt regularly dredge out some of the more absurd concepts.

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RE: Possible Whistle Blower! - 1/16/2007 10:36:23 PM   
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I totally know that like 95% of Americans will NEVER believe this but:
 
 911 was not a terriorist attack it was an attack by our own goverment. [ This coming from a very active young democrate hoping to one day hold office. ] IM NOT SAYING ITS BUSH. Im saying bush is an IDIOT. However, step back... look at how many fat politics and such got rich that day, how the buildings went down... its plain science people. Not to mention... where did the gold from under the trade centers go? Cough cough... something isnt right here. And it will never be truly exposed till you open your eyes. DO YOU KNOW WHY WE'RE AT WAR WITH IRAQ?! NO NOT BECAUSE THEY TOOK OUT THE TOWERS. Iraq had NOTHING to do with the supposed "Terriorist Attacks" Even if I didnt believe it was are own goverment. We're at war to distract the population from the real issue. Jesus wasn't white, Ronald R.was the Devil and the Goverment is LYING.
 
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RE: Possible Whistle Blower! - 1/16/2007 11:21:00 PM   
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First off, should I emigrate to the US, the first thing that would disqualify any candidate from recieving my vote is the inability to spell their political affiliation. I would vote republican or democrat, never for a rebulican or a democrate :)

I would not vote for anyone who expressed a desire to be a politic rather than a politician.

If it wasn't your own government, and wasn't Iraq, in one simple paragraph of verifiable and intelligently peer-reviewed data prove who was at fault.

PS, please darken the font a little, it makes for hard reading after a 38 hour day

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RE: Possible Whistle Blower! - 1/17/2007 12:23:27 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: sleazy

quote:

ORIGINAL: Real0ne
The victims want answers.
The victims want justice.
The victims are pushing for a new investigation..
The victims are unsatisfied the government did a valid investigation.
The victims want closure.
In short the victims do not believe the government.



In ALL instances I would suggest replacing "the" with "some". Once you can deal with that simple issue I may pay a little more attention to such rambles, but it is pretty unlikely.

On a personal note THE victims I know are perfectly content with the answers they have, are pleased with the justice that has been handed out, believe that the official inevestigation was suitably in-depth, have laid their ghosts to rest as best as possible and believe the government no less and no more than 10 years ago.

As for closure, I am sure many would find it easier if some folks didnt regularly dredge out some of the more absurd concepts.


i can appreciate that but this is not about those who are happy to be bought off by the government, its about those who want justice, its about patriotism, its about democracy.   Its way bigger than one or two people accepting a payoff in exchange for loved ones.

Uncle Sam asked only one thing of the families in return: Don't drag the battered airlines and their affiliates into court. Many members of Congress wanted to avoid the sad spectacle of victims' families suing another hard-hit group.

Nearly two years later, many families of 9/11 victims are rejecting that guidance.

With the Dec. 22 deadline to apply for government payments nearing, the relatives of 1,995 deceased victims have submitted claims. The families are lining up for settlement checks that are averaging nearly $1.5 million, and are agreeing not to sue airlines, airports, security companies or other U.S. entities that might be faulted in the fatal hijackings.

Meanwhile, with official findings of blame for the attacks slow in coming, hundreds of victims' survivors are spurning the government cash and flocking to federal courts. Undeterred by the difficulty in proving that anyone was culpably negligent — or by roadblocks set up by Congress and the Bush administration — the determined survivors are seeking money and facts on their own.

"Someday, please God, I will see my son again," says Kathleen Ashton, of Woodside, N.Y., whose son, Thomas Ashton, 21, died at the World Trade Center. "I need to be able to look at him and say, 'Tommy, I did the right thing.' The right thing is not to take the (government) money. The right thing is to try to get answers, to see what sort of lapses allowed the murderers to do what they were able to do."

Nearly 100 individual and class-action lawsuits have been filed. More are likely by this Sept. 11,

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2003-07-13-911-families-cover-usat_x.htm



Bush Administration considering blocking private lawsuit brought by families of 9/11 victims against several Saudi individuals and Islamic groups

US Senator Chuck Schumer and families of 9/11 victims today urged the White House to stay out of a private lawsuit brought by the families against members of the Saudi royal family for financially supporting the Al Qaeda terrorist network. The lawsuit was brought by nearly 3000 family members seeking $1 trillion in damages and charges a number of Saudi banks and
http://www.senate.gov/~schumer/SchumerWebsite/pressroom/press_releases/PR01276.html

How about this guy?

UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT
FOR THE EASTERN DISTRICT OF PENNSYLVANIA

Law Offices Of:
PHILIP J. BERG, ESQ.
Attorney for Plaintiff
706 Ridge Pike
Lafayette Hill, Pennsylvania 19444-1711

***************************************
WILLIAM RODRIGUEZ, :
:
Plaintiff, : Civil Case No. 04-4952
:
:
GEORGE HERBERT WALKER BUSH, :
et al., :
:
Defendants. :


While acknowledging that the allegations of his complaint are no doubt shocking and even scandalous, at least to those who have not studied closely the events of 9-11 and the discrepancies in the “Official Story” promulgated by the Government, and that they present this Honorable Court with what must be the “mother of all judicial hot potatoes,” Rodriguez presents those allegations in utter good faith.
Further, given the latitude afforded this Court in determining that venue may lie in this district, or elsewhere, respectfully recent revelations make plain, or should make plain, that while the conclusions urged by plaintiff remain to be proved, defendants, including President Bush, Vice President Cheney, Defense Secretary Rumsfeld, Secretary of State Rice, and others, have lied repeatedly to the American people — and, in the case at least of Secretary Rice, have lied under oath —
http://www.911forthetruth.com/pages/affidavit.htm


now i dunno but that was just the first few in a quick google search

if you know somehting we dont i would very much like to hear it.  If you think it makes me feel good to take the opinion that i have no choice to take in this matter you are very wrong.  So if you can refute my "rambles" please do.

Heck i havent even brought up 7/7 (yet)

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RE: Possible Whistle Blower! - 1/17/2007 2:32:28 AM   
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quote:

i can appreciate that but this is not about those who are happy to be bought off by the government, its about those who want justice, its about patriotism, its about democracy.   Its way bigger than one or two people accepting a payoff in exchange for loved ones.

My point is that you should simply attempt accuracy, the wording of your original statement using "the" implies all victims feel that way, that is not true.


As for your google search, I typed 9/11 conspiracy into google, and the first page showed as many sites backing the generally accepted version of events as it did other versions.

A class action from a publicity seeking no-fee lawyer, hell sign me up please, any chance of something for nothing is a worth a shot. Based on a news story over 3 years old that you quoted, surely by now the results of some of these lawsuits are available?

And a senators press release over 4 years old, surely there has been progression on this too?

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Heck i havent even brought up 7/7 (yet)


Please do

But bear in mind that should you desire to, I work for a security consultancy based in London and events such as that are gamed to hell and back on an almost daily basis. Feel free to drag in anything you wish about the events of 2 weeks later too, or the Irish bombings, or the ALF, or any one of a dozen or so terrorist organisations that us brits have been dealing with for decades.


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RE: Possible Whistle Blower! - 1/17/2007 4:19:49 AM   
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My point is that you should simply attempt accuracy, the wording of your original statement using "the" implies all victims feel that way, that is not true.


doesnt imply anything of the sort.  What it implies is that i dont give a rip and you are wasting your time trying to get me to change it so you can read a politically correct statement. i supported it with links. but if you want to play secretary and dot all my t's and cross all my i's and check for grammar errors correct it all to your satisfaction when you quote me but otherwise its a waste of yours mine and everyone elses time to expect me to change it for the sake of those who nit nat or cannot figure out the point i am trying to make because i simply dont care

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ORIGINAL: sleazy
As for your google search, I typed 9/11 conspiracy into google, and the first page showed as many sites backing the generally accepted version of events as it did other versions.

well you have to understand how a search engine works if you want to get good info out you have to put good info in
i used something along the lines of: 911 families against  in an AND configuration

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A class action from a publicity seeking no-fee lawyer, hell sign me up please, any chance of something for nothing is a worth a shot. Based on a news story over 3 years old that you quoted, surely by now the results of some of these lawsuits are available?

you are joking right?

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And a senators press release over 4 years old, surely there has been progression on this too?

surely?  a bit presumptuous dont you think?



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RE: Possible Whistle Blower! - 1/17/2007 7:44:31 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Real0ne


quote:

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My point is that you should simply attempt accuracy, the wording of your original statement using "the" implies all victims feel that way, that is not true.


doesnt imply anything of the sort.  What it implies is that i dont give a rip and you are wasting your time trying to get me to change it so you can read a politically correct statement. i supported it with links. but if you want to play secretary and dot all my t's and cross all my i's and check for grammar errors correct it all to your satisfaction when you quote me but otherwise its a waste of yours mine and everyone elses time to expect me to change it for the sake of those who nit nat or cannot figure out the point i am trying to make because i simply dont care

Now that is a first....... Me accused of political correctness I dont know if I should laugh or cry.

So to put it simply you dont give a rip about those families that have managed to gain closure and accept their losses, just as long as the minority you support keep fighting the fight? Feel free to clairfy.

As for implications, if I read a story that is headlined "The workers at Ford go on strike" I expect to see more on the picket line than a couple of dozen.

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As for your google search, I typed 9/11 conspiracy into google, and the first page showed as many sites backing the generally accepted version of events as it did other versions.

well you have to understand how a search engine works if you want to get good info out you have to put good info in
i used something along the lines of: 911 families against  in an AND configuration

Whereas I was NOT interested in just one side of the argument. I looked for data regardless of wether or not it supported my stance. I am well aware on how to use boolean logic arguments in search strings and the ability of such strings to pull up exactly the data required. I would imagine that a site going by the name of democrats.com "the agressive progressives" would be a great place to find info on all these families suing the govt. Nope, latest story on the subject----- 25 oct 2004

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A class action from a publicity seeking no-fee lawyer, hell sign me up please, any chance of something for nothing is a worth a shot. Based on a news story over 3 years old that you quoted, surely by now the results of some of these lawsuits are available?

you are joking right?

So no further press relases from the lawyer concerned about the time it is taking to get this through court? Or has he just dissapeared into the ether? I know a rapid googling of his name brings up little other than the 2003 comments you linked to. I guess his 15 minutes were up.

Ok, maybe results are a little premature, how about even a progress update? Nope, zilch.
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And a senators press release over 4 years old, surely there has been progression on this too?

surely?  a bit presumptuous dont you think?

Well that leaves some other options, the senator has been gagged, decided it was really a non-issue and shut up, was voted out, was bought off by the administration, or, well lets admit it, nothing like a spot of reality to stop a politician in their tracks.


Oh and he is sentator for NY, and on the judicary subcommitte, and the Rodriguez case is to be held in NY, figure that should be a big enough arsenal to keep the subject current if he desired.

From his own section on senate.gov

quote:

  Since the terrorist attacks on September 11, Chuck has worked tirelessly to help New York recover and rebuild. On September 13, Chuck, along with Senator Clinton, secured a commitment from President Bush to provide $20 billion in federal funding to help New York pay for recovery and relief efforts. Chuck also helped create the federal Victims Compensation Fund, which helps the families of those lost on September 11 or anyone physically injured in the attack continue with their lives by providing the family with all of the money the person killed or injured would have earned over his or her lifetime, all within five months of filing the claim.


So on the one hand he has helped create the victim fund, on the other hand he was encouraging folks to try gain compensation elsewhere?




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RE: Possible Whistle Blower! - 1/17/2007 9:11:06 AM   
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So to put it simply you dont give a rip about those families that have managed to gain closure and accept their losses, just as long as the minority you support keep fighting the fight? Feel free to clairfy.

i dont give a rip about what you think of my grammar what was unclear aout that?

To clarify: you are the one who could care less about those who have NOT obtained closure support those whos closure was bought off with 30 pieces of silver and asked by the government to go away quietly as you are suggsting everyone else should do.

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Whereas I was NOT interested in just one side of the argument. I looked for data regardless of wether or not it supported my stance. I am well aware on how to use boolean logic arguments in search strings and the ability of such strings to pull up exactly the data required. I would imagine that a site going by the name of democrats.com "the agressive progressives" would be a great place to find info on all these families suing the govt. Nope, latest story on the subject----- 25 oct 2004

So no further press relases from the lawyer concerned about the time it is taking to get this through court? Or has he just dissapeared into the ether? I know a rapid googling of his name brings up little other than the 2003 comments you linked to. I guess his 15 minutes were up.

Ok, maybe results are a little premature, how about even a progress update? Nope, zilch.

Well that leaves some other options, the senator has been gagged, decided it was really a non-issue and shut up, was voted out, was bought off by the administration, or, well lets admit it, nothing like a spot of reality to stop a politician in their tracks.


Oh and he is sentator for NY, and on the judicary subcommitte, and the Rodriguez case is to be held in NY, figure that should be a big enough arsenal to keep the subject current if he desired.

From his own section on senate.gov

So on the one hand he has helped create the victim fund, on the other hand he was encouraging folks to try gain compensation elsewhere?


Exactly whats your point here? Not enough drama for you?

i have no idea how you are tying the above to the original quote below which is what i thought we were talking about, or how it is relevant.

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In ALL instances I would suggest replacing "the" with "some". Once you can deal with that simple issue I may pay a little more attention to such rambles, but it is pretty unlikely.

On a personal note THE victims I know are perfectly content with the answers they have, are pleased with the justice that has been handed out, believe that the official inevestigation was suitably in-depth, have laid their ghosts to rest as best as possible and believe the government no less and no more than 10 years ago.

As for closure, I am sure many would find it easier if some folks didnt regularly dredge out some of the more absurd concepts.


care to elaborate? especially that last line where you use the word absurd.


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RE: Possible Whistle Blower! - 1/17/2007 9:55:33 AM   
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I still say the REAL CAUSE of the WTC collapse was shitty and corrupt construction techniques commonly used all over NYC...



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