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DonkeyHoetee -> The President's speech last night: (1/11/2007 6:55:33 AM)

It was [finally] a deliverance from the President that accurately reflected the sober and grave nature of the situation.

If I heard one more "we're winning" speech, .. it would've disgusted me.

He's become a much, much better speaker than he was couple of years back, and came of far more 'listenable' and persuasive.

That being said, ... I do lean in the direction still, that one of the U.S. Army Generals leans, in his comment yesterday: "It's a bit too little too late."

I still say, lets' just "gerrymander" Iraq up into 3 plots of real estate ... for each of the 3 Iraq politico-religious-ethnic divisions ... and let them take it from there ... make sure they all have a piece of the "oil" pie ... each has an international voice ... each has its own hand in commerce; economy, and international diplomacy ... and let the rest play out ... and smply get the f$%&ing hell out of there now.







mymasterssub69 -> RE: The President's speech last night: (1/11/2007 7:10:25 AM)

well dubya admitted mistakes were made however waiting for that "i'm sorry i lied to the American people and to the world ...it wasn't about wmds, Al Queda, Saddam or spreading democracy to the Middle East ...it was about the oil and who could control it..." speech.

wishful thinking i know

back to making protest signs



michaelOfGeorgia -> RE: The President's speech last night: (1/11/2007 7:53:26 AM)

i don't listen to anything the "President" has to say. you've heard on "President"...you've heard them all. none of them can be trusted to tell the truth or really care about us.



farglebargle -> RE: The President's speech last night: (1/11/2007 7:57:36 AM)

I did NOT hear, "I have made many grave and serious errors in my management of Iraq". I heard the standard Weasel Words about "IF mistakes were made", and "To the extent"...

He's not sincere about owning his failure.

So the failure will continue.

The FIRST STEP is ADMITTING YOU HAVE A PROBLEM.

And he's not admitting HE has a problem.




all4yourplsr -> RE: The President's speech last night: (1/11/2007 7:58:47 AM)

This is the 1st President I can honestly say does absolutely nothing for me so I don't bother listening anymore.  I think this whole thing had a great deal to do with trying to fix Daddy's legacy since he was the Prez when the US went to Iraq in the 1st place.  Unfortunately, they both look pretty foolish and hypocritica nowl. 



cuddleheart50 -> RE: The President's speech last night: (1/11/2007 8:02:23 AM)

I never listen to the "blip, blip, blip"



pahunkboy -> RE: The President's speech last night: (1/11/2007 8:48:17 AM)

I turn off his speaches.... he lost his credability with me long ago. im afraid for this nation. we now are selling off our infactructure, why? the PA turnpike and various toll roads are up for selling.

excuse me- but the tax payer own these! i thought it the interstate highway system was buildt for national security.

when the shoe drops - i cry for this nation, i mourn for the world which can only tkae the hits that we duck.

hard days are haed indeeed.



Real0ne -> RE: The President's speech last night: (1/11/2007 9:29:05 AM)

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ORIGINAL: DonkeyHoetee
I still say, lets' just "gerrymander" Iraq up into 3 plots of real estate ... for each of the 3 Iraq politico-religious-ethnic divisions ... and let them take it from there ... make sure they all have a piece of the "oil" pie ... each has an international voice ... each has its own hand in commerce; economy, and international diplomacy ... and let the rest play out ... and smply get the f$%&ing hell out of there now.


yep there ya go....  thats the solution. 
History in the making, bush creating another isreal/egypt never ending war in iraq. they were better off with hussien.

<snipppets>

Now, unnoticed by most amid the furore over civil war in Iraq and the hanging of Saddam Hussein, the new oil law has quietly been going through several drafts, and is now on the point of being presented to the cabinet and then the parliament in Baghdad. Its provisions are a radical departure from the norm for developing countries: under a system known as “production-sharing agreements”, or PSAs, oil majors such as BP and Shell in Britain, and Exxon and Chevron in the US, would be able to sign deals of up to 30 years to extract Iraq’s oil.

But in a country more dependent than almost any other on oil - it accounts for 70 per cent of the economy - control of the assets has proved a recipe for endless wrangling. Most of the oil reserves are in areas controlled by the Kurds and Shias, heightening the fears of the Sunnis that their loss of power with the fall of Saddam is about to be compounded by economic deprivation.

Iraq’s sovereign right to manage its own natural resources could also be threatened by the provision in the draft that any disputes with a foreign company must ultimately be settled by international, rather than Iraqi, arbitration.

Analysts estimate that despite the size of Iraq’s reserves - the third largest in the world - only 2,300 wells have been drilled in total, fewer than in the North Sea.

The resentment implied in their words is ominous, and not only for oil company executives in London or Houston. The perception that Iraq’s wealth is being carved up among foreigners can only add further fuel to the flames of the insurgency, defeating the purpose of sending more American troops to a country already described in a US intelligence report as a cause célèbre for terrorism.

The document adds that oil companies will enjoy contracts to extract Iraqi oil for up to 30 years,

Halliburton, the firm that Dick Cheney used to run, was among US-based multinationals that won most of the reconstruction deals

The largest beneficiary of reconstruction work in Iraq has been KBR (Kellogg, Brown & Root), a division of US giant Halliburton, which to date has secured contracts in Iraq worth $13bn (£7bn), including an uncontested $7bn contract to rebuild Iraq’s oil infrastructure.

$12.1bn UN’s estimate of the cost of rebuilding Iraq’s electricity network.

http://www.rinf.com/columnists/news/blood-and-oil-how-the-west-will-profit-from-iraqs-most-precious-commodity




OedipusRexIt -> RE: The President's speech last night: (1/11/2007 9:30:00 AM)

Our President wanted to let us know that mistakes "were made" and that bad things "happened".  It's almost as if it happened to him, and not at all like he caused this whole mess...

I lost my faith in the voters the day the elected this obvious tool.



michaelOfGeorgia -> RE: The President's speech last night: (1/11/2007 9:32:32 AM)

as long as rich people keep getting put up there, this country will never make it...let the poor run this country from the House, Senate and Oval offices and see if things get better...but that will never happen as long as the Presidency and Government continue to be for sale to the highest bidder



Real0ne -> RE: The President's speech last night: (1/11/2007 9:33:21 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: OedipusRexIt

Our President wanted to let us know that mistakes "were made" and that bad things "happened".  It's almost as if it happened to him, and not at all like he caused this whole mess...

I lost my faith in the voters the day the elected this obvious tool.


so you feel the election was not rigged then i take it?



mnottertail -> RE: The President's speech last night: (1/11/2007 9:35:41 AM)

Well, the gerrymandering of Iraq (AGAIN) along the lines just suggested would make it very easy for Iran and Turkey to waltz on in without a fight on the day they took possession but would defenitely further the dis-stabilization taking place in the region.

Iraq would take what it could and Turkey would own the Kurds.

Ron 



GentlehandSTL -> RE: The President's speech last night: (1/11/2007 9:36:11 AM)

Tuff thread here...

Two out of three military folks I spoke with since the speech hang their hopes on this section of the speech:

“Our past efforts to secure Baghdad failed for two principal reasons: There were not enough Iraqi and American troops to secure neighborhoods that had been cleared of terrorists and insurgents. And there were too many restrictions on the troops we did have. Our military commanders reviewed the new Iraqi plan to ensure that it addressed these mistakes. They report that it does. They also report that this plan can work.”
 
They say, that if we allow them to ‘take the gloves off’ and kill the bad guys, that yes, this plan will work.

If not, same old, same old.

Good speech, not a great speech, though 1000% better than the response given by Dick Durbin…

Durbin simply assumed credit for the Bush policy of deposing Saddam, fostering democracy, and then blamed the Iraqis and said enough was enough. Not a word followed about the effects of a rapid withdrawal. In other words, the Democratic policy is that anything good in Iraq they supported, anything bad they opposed. And they will now harp yet do nothing — except whine in fear the surge might actually work.

Now, what WILL HAPPEN?

I haven’t a clue…

What should happen is that every Iraqi out there should put all their ‘toys’ away, and run into the streets to greet these troops with flowers and dancing and when we leave, go back to killing folks as they like.

But that won’t happen…for like it or not, this has become an international battlefield…Iran is ‘fighting’ us, the US there. So, what should happen, likely will not happen.

So, another round of betting in this the ‘Great Game’ rather than fold, Bush raised. Will Iran? Will AQ? In a classic guerrilla war, you retreat in the face of strength, attack where he is weak. But AQ doesn’t seem to know that, or doesn’t care. And what of the other actors? What will the other players do?

We will see…



Real0ne -> RE: The President's speech last night: (1/11/2007 9:37:42 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: michaelOfGeorgia

as long as rich people keep getting put up there, this country will never make it...let the poor run this country from the House, Senate and Oval offices and see if things get better...but that will never happen as long as the Presidency and Government continue to be for sale to the highest bidder



kool so what are you doing about it?



OedipusRexIt -> RE: The President's speech last night: (1/11/2007 9:41:37 AM)

I don't think we're in a position to say for sure how and what might have been rigged.

My own paranoid conspiracy theory posits that almost half the country didn't need their votes rigged, because they heard what they wanted to and voted that way.  It does allow for the marginal cheating which would have been necessary to put him over the top.

Second time around, same thing.  Find the local govt that can be easily controlled and move all the necessary "votes" through that jurisdiction.

So, was it rigged.  Did it even need to be?  Who knows.  I know I didn't vote for this guy...



michaelOfGeorgia -> RE: The President's speech last night: (1/11/2007 9:41:55 AM)

since the polls are rigged and any chance of an untainted voting system will ever be put into affect, i'm just going to let it all go by and watch from the sidelines...afterall, as far as i know, someone's already counting my vote, even though i have never voted. i highly doubt i ever will either. (it's already counted anyway)



pahunkboy -> RE: The President's speech last night: (1/11/2007 9:42:16 AM)

Bush offerred nothing new.

I dont see any answeres.

Im disappointed that the new congress hasnt focussed on home items. If everyone has a tidy home it makes for a tidy block.

We westerners are shortsighted. Alterntives need fast track=- thats all there is too it.



Stephann -> RE: The President's speech last night: (1/11/2007 9:52:27 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: michaelOfGeorgia

as long as rich people keep getting put up there, this country will never make it...let the poor run this country from the House, Senate and Oval offices and see if things get better...but that will never happen as long as the Presidency and Government continue to be for sale to the highest bidder


And the moment we put poor people into government, lets see how quickly the cash grabs are made to become rich....



Real0ne -> RE: The President's speech last night: (1/11/2007 9:53:36 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: michaelOfGeorgia

since the polls are rigged and any chance of an untainted voting system will ever be put into affect, i'm just going to let it all go by and watch from the sidelines...afterall, as far as i know, someone's already counting my vote, even though i have never voted. i highly doubt i ever will either. (it's already counted anyway)


yeh some senator from florida i hear got voted in that didnt even run!!!  imagine that!   Only in florida!   didnt follow up on it tho


i think the one thing we can all do is to get voting put on paper and force the issue to get a numbered receipt in the event of a recount.  that would take care of the fraud because we can have alternative sources count as well



Real0ne -> RE: The President's speech last night: (1/11/2007 11:23:01 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: farglebargle

I did NOT hear, "I have made many grave and serious errors in my management of Iraq". I heard the standard Weasel Words about "IF mistakes were made", and "To the extent"...

He's not sincere about owning his failure.

So the failure will continue.

The FIRST STEP is ADMITTING YOU HAVE A PROBLEM.

And he's not admitting HE has a problem.




i think what is important to note here is the definition of failure.  failure by whos definition?

Bush can fail by our standards, but once he was able to kick off the war, once the american people let him fire that first shot, he won.  i have been posting lots of links on him hopefully to illustrate that point.

Bush already won/suceeded a long time ago.

i found this to be a quick source of great info on bush that everythign i have crossreferenced was availiable from other sources too, so its conveinient...   http://www.tarpley.net/bushb.htm#Table

quote:

ORIGINAL: GentlehandSTL
“Our past efforts to secure Baghdad failed for two principal reasons: There were not enough Iraqi and American troops to secure neighborhoods that had been cleared of terrorists and insurgents. And there were too many restrictions on the troops we did have. Our military commanders reviewed the new Iraqi plan to ensure that it addressed these mistakes. They report that it does. They also report that this plan can work.”


actually i didnt factor that in.

i dont think it would be considered a failure exactly but not performing up to expectations if they were able to secure bagdad.   keeping in mind that the plan here is to take over the whole region and taunt them into war with us to achieve it and look good in the eyes of the american people.


if we did secure bagdad ole bushy boy would hire someone like kermit roseveldt remedy the situation.

http://challengingthedogmasheldbysociety.wordpress.com/2006/12/16/false-flag-terror-of-the-new-world-order/

check out what he is famous for, some good vids too of news reports regarding the same




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