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LotusSong -> Make-up Tips (1/7/2007 3:58:35 PM)

This purpose of this post is for Q&A about makeup application.  Cross dressers very welcome :)
 
My favorite tip on lipstick is to NOT use pencil in a darker shade to outline the lip.  Use a lip liner BRUSH and use the lipstick that you intend to fill  in with to line your lip.  I also use a brush to fill in my lips.  I do not use the lipstick tube directly.  .  Look at were you are going when moving the brush., do not focus on the tip of the brush. 
 
When drawing your lip line, start at the outer corner and move inward to the center. 
 
This is just how I do it..   so other methods are welcome :)




Lorelei115 -> RE: Make-up Tips (1/7/2007 4:03:38 PM)

Good tip, Lotus!

I have a make-up question. What colors of make-up would look best on someone like me- ie really fair skin, blue eyes, and brown hair?




MsSonnetMarwood -> RE: Make-up Tips (1/7/2007 4:26:26 PM)

I am very fair and although not a big make up wearer, I generally stick to browns and sometimes rose - I find those work best on me for when I chose to wear more than powder. 




onestandingstill -> RE: Make-up Tips (1/7/2007 4:32:22 PM)

I don't wear makeup except once in a blue moon.
What I use to do was use a good moisturizer around my lips 10 minutes before I started.
I then would line my lips with the same shade or slightly darker shade of liner to lock in the color so it would not bleed into the fine lines around my lips.
Then I'd put the lipstick on right from the tube.
suzanne




afraid -> RE: Make-up Tips (1/7/2007 4:36:51 PM)

I love coloring like yours Lorelei!  My little sister has the same appearance and I LOVE doing her make-up.  My favorite thing to to with her is to line her eyes (both upper and lower but, inner lid only) with black kohl...it smudges so perfectly and it stays forever.  It also completely contrasts the blue of her eyes and makes them pop like crazy!!




MissKittynSean -> RE: Make-up Tips (1/7/2007 4:59:56 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Lorelei115

Good tip, Lotus!

I have a make-up question. What colors of make-up would look best on someone like me- ie really fair skin, blue eyes, and brown hair?

Hey there, I have the same type of skin/hair/eye color combo.  Because my eyes are really striking (so I've been told, I just think they are nice) and I have really small lips I try to play them up more and keep my lips low-key.  I've found that to really make my blue eyes pop golds are the best.  Not yellowy stuff; bronzy-brown, shimmery gold, coppery colors work wonders.  If you don't like those colors I also use light charcoal grays, muted brownish-greens, warm browns, and plum/dark understated reds.

The best make-up tips I know it to NEVER match the color of your make-up to the color of your clothes.  Makes you look weird.  Also, if you are looking a little tired put a little bit of white opaque shimmer powder under your eyes and in the inside corner of your eyes.  This catches the light and makes you look bright-eyed and younger.  Don't over do it though, just a light sweep.




LotusSong -> RE: Make-up Tips (1/7/2007 5:03:58 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Lorelei115

Good tip, Lotus!

I have a make-up question. What colors of make-up would look best on someone like me- is really fair skin, blue eyes, and brown hair?


 
That is similar to mine.  I've a very fair olive completion with light hazel eyes.  I use the Bare Minerals makeup.  It's a powered foundation.  It's tricky at first, but once mastered it's wonderful.  I went to a salon that sold it and had them do a demo on me. I agree with the comment below to use moisturizer. 
 
I've been on a skin care regimen since I was 16.  The cleanser, toner, moisturizer bit.  I was told that if I was consistant..my skin would thank me at 50.  That proved to be true.  The best makeup will not look it's best if you canvas is dry or greasy.
 
What was good for me at 20 changed 3 times up to now.  Your skin changes over time. (about every 7 years)




SusanofO -> RE: Make-up Tips (1/7/2007 7:37:07 PM)

General Opinions: My mother told me to never go to bed without washing my face, and I never have once, I don't think, in my entire life, really. I am also very conscious of skin care, because I had a Dermabrasion in my late twenties.

A Dermabrasion (a medical procedure which isn't done anymore, really, and has been replaced for the most part, with Laser surgery) was (for me) an extremely painful procedure in which the top three layers of ones' skin (of the seven layers humans posess) is rubbed off, under a local anesthetic, with a rotary-powered steel brush.

Afterward, you literally feel and look, like your skin is disappearing - you have lost three layers of it. Needless to say, what is left then, needs to be protected, and there is a month or longer recovery period during which I had to wear a towel-like, white face mask everywhere I went. Taking a shower felt like a million needles splashing and sticking my face, for instance. I couldn't wear any make-up (except eye make up) or expose my skin to any sunlight. The skin has to be kept scrupulously clean during recovery, despite the fact that keeping it that way is painful, to say the least.

During this recovery period, walking around campus (I was in grad school at the time) - people who didn't know what I was doing used to give me sympathetic glances, and some asked if I'd been in a terrible fire. The manager at the Drive-Thru at a Burger King gave me my meal for free, because he felt sorry for me, and mistakenly believed (despite the fact I tried to explain otherwise), that I'd been in some horrible accident or fire. I was taking a Speech class, and had to give a speech - so I gave the speech on my Dermabrasion, because I figured people would be distracted by my face mask anyway, so my speech may as well be on the procedure. People's reactions to my appearance ran the gamut - and it was kind of interesting, and sometimes comical, to observe this.

So - to me, appreciating my skin is the kind of appreciation someone who had to wear braces for years would maybe have for better-looking teeth, or maybe akin to someone who hasn't been able to see suddenly discovering reading glasses or contact lenses vastly improving their vision, for instance.

And I think being aware of it has paid off. I do think my mother probably spent hundreds at the department store cosmetic counters, but I've always thought the drug-store cosmetics were just as effective and good-looking on (why spend money you don't have to)? There are probably exceptions to this, but if I can get a lip-lining pencil at Walgreen's for two dollars - why would I go to the Estee Lauder counter at Dillard's and pay, say, $22, for the same thing, practically?  

Skin care: I started using a skin care line I heard about on the Home Shopping Network called Serious Skin Care - the particular product within the line is called "C-No Wrinkle" because it's made with Vitamin C and produced for women (or men I suppose, too) over 40. My skin has never felt or looked better, I have to say, since I started using it.

I used to use just Ivory soap and water and a moisurizer, up until a few years ago (and on occasion, I still do) but - the older I got the more justified some kind of "skincare regimen" seemed to me. I am sort of lucky because I have very oily skin naturally, and even though this posed several problems for me when I was younger, I have seemed to get very few wrinkles as I've aged (my mother told me this would happen, but I didn't believe it until it did happen).

There are several versions and kits of "C-No Wrinkle" you can purchase (HSN.com) - the "starter kit" costs about $25, and the entire line of products costs about $90. But both kits will last at least 1-3 months (depending on how heavy-handed you are with applications). The kits include such things as cleanser, toner, moisturizer, night face cream, hand cream and under-eye cream (for day and evening).

I also use the Olay Regenerist Microdermasbrasion Kit treatment three times a week. The kit is less than $20, lasts for months, and takes about 3 minutes each time you use it. It really exfoliates dead skin cells and has made a noticeable difference in the look and feel of my skin.

Hand care: I also rub baby oil into my cuticles every night (so I have less chance of getting hangnails, and they also make my hands and nails look smoother and prettier, I think). Nuetrogena makes a hand cream called "New Hands" that will take years off your hands in five minutes. It costs about $7 and is available, I imagine, in almost any drug-store. I always use hand cream - it makes my hands feel so good and so much softer. I am a body and hand cream fanatic. I always use body lotion, too, because I just like softer skin.

Eye Make Up: I've always liked the old stand-by mascara, Maybelline's "Big
Lash" - it is inexpensive, and it really, really works. I think Almay's got pretty good mascara as well -plus it's hypo-allergenic (I wear contacts, so non -hypo-allergenic can hurt my eyes, sometimes), and it doesn't seem to clump. I use an eyeliner on my upper eyes, and a pencil liner (in dark blue) for the lower part under my eyes (I never got used to wearing mascara on my lower lashes, so I just use a pencil liner there).

For Eyeshadow, I like natural beige, brown, golden, and peach colors, and light greens (my eyes are a Hazel-green color, so it works well). I always use a "base color" on the lids, and a much lighter (but in the same "color family") "high-lighter" color on the brow-bone above my lids.

Foundation: I like the fact that one now can have literally hundreds of choices in a drug store or cosmetics counter as far as shades. I think it's important to really attempt to match your own skin tone as closely as possible. I use Nuetrogena Oil-Free, or Revelon Age-Defying Makeup for foundation - but - there are so many choices, it'd hard to say which one would be "best" for anyone else.

I always use Face Powder, but then again, my skin gets shiny after a half hour if I don't, so I am pretty dedicated to using powder. There are some nice shimmery powders on the market, now, that blend face powder in with a sparkly finish that is just light, not over-the-top, as far as effect (IMO). 

Blush: I think cream blush looks better on most people over 40 (as opposed to powder blush) because I think it's easier to blend, and can look more natural sometimes, but I suppose that is a matter of preference.

Lipstick: I started wearing bright red lipstick last Summer, and like it. I still use pinks, naturals, and wine colors, but - for years, I shyed away from using bright red - because I just thought it was too flashy - but it looks great on, I think. I do still think it is maybe mostly a "night-time" thing for me to wear, though. And I always wear lip-gloss, but just a wee bit. I just hate a "gloppy" look on lips. I like shine, though, on lips.

Lipstick application tip a friend taught me: After I put on lip-stick, I will put my finger in my mouth so it looks like I am sucking on it, for instance, and then take it out of my mouth and wipe it on a tissue - this action is to try to ensure that none of the lipstick (especially if it is a darker color) ends up on my teeth when I smile, after I've applied it. I also blot my lips a little with a tissue after applying lipstick and gloss.  

If you want an all-year tan but don't want possible skin cancer: HSN.com carries a product called Tan Towel, (and a darker, faster-working version, called Tan Towel-Plus), that looks like a Wet-Nap cloth that you wipe all over yourself in the areas you want to tan. Within 3 hours, it looks like you spent all day in the sun, tanning. The tan lasts several days to a week (even after you bathe or shower) and costs (I think, I forget, actually) around $30 for 10-15 towlettes (which is probably 1-2 months supply). You can also buy this product at: www.tantowel.com The advantage to this method it that there is no mess, it's less expensive than a tanning salon, and it's fast. HSN.com also sells a similar product called a "Tanning Mitt" under the "Toni Brattin" (sp?) product line heading for a similar cost.   

My favorite "can't do without it" cosmetic item:  Vaseline. I don't know what I'd do if they stopped making Vaseline. I put it on my lips at night (to keep them soft), and my nails (cuticles), and sometimes even just rub it into my skin. It's a miracle invention, I think - because the effects are almost immediate, as far as softening and also healing any scratches, etc.  

- Susan




justheather -> RE: Make-up Tips (1/7/2007 8:00:51 PM)

I dont have many make-up tips because the only make-up I wear is lip gloss.
I do happen to believe there is a difference in quality between the cheap stuff and the good stuff...but I never pay retail for anything. What I do is I visit the retail section of my salon on a pretty regular basis and scope out the sales. Their stuff is all marked up at least one hundred percent so when they mark it down, they can mark it way down and still get their money back. I happen to have a cosmetology-related license, so I get an extra twenty percent off, but anyone can get the good stuff marked down fifty to seventy percent and spend as little as one would at a drug store.




LuckyAlbatross -> RE: Make-up Tips (1/7/2007 8:33:59 PM)

I'm as basic a make-up chick you can get and wear it about two times a month max.

Generally, I use a foundation- make sure it is the tone of your actual skin color.  If you have to choose one slightly off- go for the paler choice.  Best to go by the color of your neck rather than your cheeks.  Everyone says to dot tiny bits and slowly blend in the skin, but I really just slowly cover and blend like lotion.

After that, I use a loose powder to set, again skin tone, and brush off the excess.

After this I use my lipstick, I always pick one of the long lasting types so I never have to worry about smudges or re-applications.  I put this on first because it takes a few seconds to dry and set.  I never use a lip liner, but the general rule is to line slightly INSIDE the line of the mouth and to use a shade that is one or two shades LIGHTER than the actual lipstick.

After I've applied the lipstick, I move onto the eyes.  I never use mascara or false eyelashes, but position them carefully and give time to dry if you do so.

I apply a very light/shiny color to the undersides of my eyes and the actual eyelid.  This opens the eyes up, masks circles and lines and creates a blank palate.  Then, I brush a dark dramatic color in a V from the middle of my eye outward to my eyebrows.  Depending on the occasion, I may extend the V to create a more dramatic look.

I fill in the rest of the eyebrow with a neutral warm color to blend the two together and gibe an overall natural look.  As always, I brush off the excess.

Then for cheeks, I tend to go with a rosy or dark brown color, brushing only once or twice across the actual apples of the cheek- starting in and brushing outward.  For me, blush is to give accent, not rectangles.

At this point, my lipstick is dry, so I put on the sealant to moisturize and set it fully and I'm on my way out the door.

I do occasionally pluck my eyebrows and the general rule there is to use the line at a 45 degree angle from the outer edge o your eye upwards- that should be where your brows stop.  The top edge of the brow should be slightly to the outside of your pupil and the brows should stop at the same place as the inner edge of your eyelid.

I was trained that properly applied makeup should never LOOK like makeup.  If you can tell you're wearing it, then it's not a good look IMO.  So I'm all about natural and easy application.




LuckyAlbatross -> RE: Make-up Tips (1/7/2007 8:45:15 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Lorelei115
I have a make-up question. What colors of make-up would look best on someone like me- ie really fair skin, blue eyes, and brown hair?

With the blue eyes, stay away from blues and light purples unless you're going for a fairy look.

Teals, medium browns, dark purples (moderation), and warm pinks will do great for the eyes.

For the mouth, go for light/mild pinks for everyday stuff, and burgundies for more drama.




SusanofO -> RE: Make-up Tips (1/7/2007 8:50:51 PM)

Whiter Teeth: With all of the teeth whitening kits on the market today, I cannot imagine why anyone would have to have yellow teeth. I do consider this somewhat of a "cosmetic item". Of course one could go to a dental office and spend $600 having their teeth whitened, and dental offices can sometimes go up to ten shades lighter on one's teeth in one sitting (or so I've heard) But -

Rembrandt makes a product called "Two Hour White" that will whiten your teeth in two hours (using gel bleach) as much as it would take those strip-thingys people use for 14 days or so, and get the same (or an even bigger) shade difference. It only costs $20, and is available at most drug-stores. I also try to use a whitening tooth paste daily. I think yellow teeth are aging to a person.

- Susan 




Vendaval -> RE: Make-up Tips (1/7/2007 11:00:09 PM)

Hi Lorelei,
 
There are some basic questions to start with -
Does your skin have a reddish/pink tone or a yellow/olive tone?
Do you have dry, combination, or oily skin?
What kind of skin do your parents and siblings have?

 
I recommend going to a make-up counter at a major department
store or Sephora for an evaluation of your skin, the types of products
best for you, and learning basic techniques. 
Allure and Glamour magazines specialize in make-up, hair-styles
and fashion in general.
 
If you have sensitive skin, go with Physian's Formula, Neutrogena
and/or Almay. Revlon and L'Oreal have some of the prettier colors.
L'Oreal in particular has a large range of foundation shades.
Almay has a new line that is color coordinated by eye color-
blue, green, hazel and brown; and lip/cheek colors of - pinks,
reds, berries, and neutrals.
 
Last but not least, the lighting in drug stores sucks because it is
fluorescent and gives you a green cast.  When in doubt, do go with
the lighter rather than the darker shade of foundation or buy
both and blend the two.  Using a disposable make-up sponge for
foundation aids in the blending and application. 
 
Wear sunscreen of at least SPF 15 everyday, whether indoors or
outdoors, sunglasses and a wide brim hat in the sun, don't smoke,
nor use tanning beds nor drink to excess.  All of these practices
will preserve your youthful appearance.
 
Be well,
 
Vendaval
http://www.glamour.com/dosdonts
 


quote:

ORIGINAL: Lorelei115

Good tip, Lotus!

I have a make-up question. What colors of make-up would look best on someone like me- ie really fair skin, blue eyes, and brown hair?




LadyEllen -> RE: Make-up Tips (1/8/2007 1:52:27 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross

quote:

ORIGINAL: Lorelei115
I have a make-up question. What colors of make-up would look best on someone like me- ie really fair skin, blue eyes, and brown hair?

With the blue eyes, stay away from blues and light purples unless you're going for a fairy look.



Hmmm. I always use slate blue eyeliner.

Then again, I am a big fairy, or so they told me at school

E




SusanofO -> RE: Make-up Tips (1/8/2007 2:03:13 AM)

Lorelei115: I second what Lotus said - if you are just starting out as far as using and experimenting with make-up, I think the Bare Minerals line could be very worth your while investigating.

It all goes on like loose powder, applied with make-up brushes, and it doesn't feel like "make-up", and looks very natural. It won't make you break-out, and is supposed to be good for your skin, in fact.

I'd go with make-up listed as being for someone with a "fair" complexion (as you mentioned) if they ask you to choose (and you probably will have to choose).

You can even sleep in the Bare Minerals make-up, (although personally, I'd probably wash it off before bed). It isn't inexpensive (I think the "starter kit" is about $60-80), but it lasts a long time (months and months).

You can find out more about it at: bareminerals.com and it is also sold on QVC.com (click on "Beauty" and look under brands, and it should be listed there. Except at QVC, it will be listed under the name Bare Escentuals, not Bare Minerals - but it is the exact smae make-up line), if you're interested.

- Susan  




BlkTallFullfig -> RE: Make-up Tips (1/8/2007 2:18:17 AM)

When it comes to makeup, I go for minimal, and only wear a little when going out.   When I remember to wear makeup, it's usually eyeliner, occasional lash makeup because my lashes are so thin, and always wear lipstick, my favorites brands being Cristian Dior and Mac.
I've found that less is more/better for my skin... I'm a bit lazy about taking an extra 20-30mins to do makeup, and I don't believe I need a whole lot of it.   I have an older sis who's always used a lot of makeup, and I believe it's aged her skin faster because while she's only 8years older than me, people ask if she's my mother on occasion when we're out together.    M




Chaingang -> RE: Make-up Tips (1/8/2007 3:05:20 AM)

Lorelei115, You’ve got head pigeons!




Lorelei115 -> RE: Make-up Tips (1/8/2007 3:20:27 AM)

Wow, such awesome advice! Thanks everyone!

And yes, chaingang, its a very rare disease and I'm rather sensitive about it. [;)]




Fawne -> RE: Make-up Tips (1/8/2007 10:39:59 AM)

Happy New Year.... and a spanking new topic    [:D]    TY!
 
Great tips, ladies! May I add more?
 
- warm or cool complexion?  Can you see red/pink or yellow/peach undertones in your skin? (all races included) 
 
-Do you look best in clothing of cotton white,  forrest green, cherry red, dark chocolate, watermelon pink, purple wine, deep sea blue, silver? May be cool.
 
- Does creamy white, spring green, emerald, peach, pumpkin, saddle brown, tomato red, baby blue, teal, gold flatter you? Warm.
 
Exfoliate. Moisturize correctly for your skin type. A few with very oily skin can skip this, but oil free smooths, softens, protects yet shouldn't irritate.

- Match your foundation to your skin. If your skin is basically clear - just use concealer where needed and a touch of translucent powder to your skin to set.

-Just a touch of blush on the apple of the cheek is enough. No tiger stripes. Leave contouring to the professionals. 

-Dark lipliner looks old, tired and dated. Match or deepen slightly to define, then coat lightly with any color and blend.

- yes.. blend, blend, blend. Invest in good brushes. Check your face in natural lighting if possible. Less is more.... <hee>

- Drugstore mass market cosmetics are tricky to match. Since you can't test them, it is a gamble. The colors tend to lack sophistication or sublety. The packages crack and break and make a mess in your handbag.  I would say mascara is an exception. Loreal is decent.

LOL. I could go on and on. During the day, I myself usually just wear lipgloss. Natural.
 
For night: can go chic, fantasy... creative for fun, but not necessity. 

Oh! One more thing, please: If going bold - choose either the mouth or eyes - never both! Tres chic! 
 
Thank you, fawne
 




LotusSong -> RE: Make-up Tips (1/8/2007 10:58:52 AM)

RE: teeth whitening.
 
I  swear by the Crest White Strips.  After the initial whitening, I'll use them about once every two weeks for maintenance.

Edited to add:

The things that most age ANY GENDER are yellow/brown teeth, gray hair (platinum excluded) and wrinkled necks. 




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