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RE: is it pain if it doesn't hurt? - 1/2/2007 10:31:58 AM

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     The way a brains pain receptors react have a lot to do with 'pain'. Mine are screwed up & 90% of the time I feel serious pain in my body. My receptors are hyper aware and do not switch off like they are meant to which in turn means that I am on a daily regime of heavy-duty pain medication.
    Sometimes I feel very alienated here because I do not seek pain although a good spanking is yum-zen-happiness. Most of my time is spent actively avoiding pain. I totally understand those that crave pain..I just can't tolerate it & more than one person here has said I can't be submissive if I don't want pain and if I do not want to be beaten! I've wondered for a long time about this. Would I be a so-called pain slut if I didn't have medical issues? Am I really wrong to call myself submissive if I don't want to be beaten? Sigh. I don't know. Wow this topic is really hitting *pun intended* home for me. What/who would I be if I weren't ill.. I try not to imagine that very often because it won't change, today I am imagining & wondering.
    An awesome spanking doesn't cause pain as I know it yet being slapped in the face is genuinely painful & not something I could enjoy on any level.

    Just spank me

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RE: is it pain if it doesn't hurt? - 1/2/2007 10:49:31 AM

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This is a really interesting topic!

Well as a trained Martial Artist, we have to deal with "pain" and our sensi has told us a simliar thing you need to wire your mind differently in My case, I laugh when I'm in alot of pain (ie: I got thrown and screwed up My break fall and messed My shoulder up) I just laugh it becomes very ticklish.

It's a reaction thing for Me as a martial artist, if I can bypass "pain" I can continue to spar/defend Myself, but it's not pleasure in the strictest sense so I don't go out of My way to recieve "pain" As I have a expression fetish, if I was with someone, and I got greater expressions from her pleasure/pain I'd go for the one that fullfils My fetish more. Hmm expressions......

Interesting topic lots of different angles and views. Great stuff!

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RE: is it pain if it doesn't hurt? - 1/2/2007 11:03:39 AM

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I had the same experience with childbirth, twice, darkdesire. Both times the labors were induced (supposedly more painful than spontaneous labors) and in my first labor, the contractions were double peaked. Not once did they 'hurt' in a way that made me want to use painkillers. They didn't feel exactly good, but I really wanted to experience them for what they were, painful or not. Childbirth and other sensations don't feel like pleasure to me, and I can tell the difference between sensations that most consider painful under regular circumstances and those most consider pleasure but I don't feel either one of them much. Even toothaches, and I have my fair share, rarely bother me. I know they are there and I should probably do something about the problem, but I also spend a lot of time feeling them cause they're kind of cool, in a twisted sort of way.

What I think what I like about 'pain' is that it makes me aware of my body/self in a way that other, less intrusive sensations don't. Its a vehicle for self- knowledge. This is just pain, in a general sense. Pain thats applied with conscious intent, as in sm play, is far more complicated because its a form of communication between two people, so it makes me aware of both myself and the other person and can be extremely intense for this reason.

rainasmiles, I've spent a lot of time wondering the same thing. Is it pain if it doesn't hurt? and I sometimes feel I lack the words to describe it all. Pain/pleasure kind of blend together on a continuum of experiences which are more or less intense. Sometimes I think the best experiences are those so extreme that they evade my abilities to integrate them into my regular sense of how things are. They are literally mindblowing.

Oh dear. :)

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RE: is it pain if it doesn't hurt? - 1/2/2007 11:20:37 AM

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The way a brains pain receptors react have a lot to do with 'pain'. Mine are screwed up & 90% of the time I feel serious pain in my body. My receptors are hyper aware and do not switch off like they are meant to which in turn means that I am on a daily regime of heavy-duty pain medication.
Sometimes I feel very alienated here because I do not seek pain although a good spanking is yum-zen-happiness. Most of my time is spent actively avoiding pain. I totally understand those that crave pain..I just can't tolerate it & more than one person here has said I can't be submissive if I don't want pain and if I do not want to be beaten! I've wondered for a long time about this. Would I be a so-called pain slut if I didn't have medical issues? Am I really wrong to call myself submissive if I don't want to be beaten? Sigh. I don't know. Wow this topic is really hitting *pun intended* home for me. What/who would I be if I weren't ill.. I try not to imagine that very often because it won't change, today I am imagining & wondering.
An awesome spanking doesn't cause pain as I know it yet being slapped in the face is genuinely painful & not something I could enjoy on any level.

Just spank me .

Masochism is not required to be a submissive, nor is submissiveness required to be a masochist. They are two separate things, though they often go hand in hand.

I'm a submissive but I do not like pain. I don't find pain pleasurable in and of itself, but I do, however, find myself enjoying "more intense" sensations when I'm in highly aroused. My state of mind will also affect what I feel, and that is closed tied to how aroused I am, and vice versa.

For example, if a stranger were to smack my behind, it would hurt and not be the least bit pleasurable... the same if they were to walk up and twist my nipples. I would not enjoy that in the least. But with someone with whom I've developed a relationship and dominance and submission has been willing established, my state of mind changes. The heavier sensations of a spanking become pleasurable, and combined with the manifested deference of my being over his knee, that pleasure is intensified.

There is a limit, however, where the pain transcends any pleasure I feel. If he spanks too hard, the pain will cut through the "fog" of my pleasure and actually decrease my arousal. That decreased arousal will lower my threashold for pain and the entire process can spiral from there. If, however, my arousal is stimulated more, I'm able to welcome a higher level for pain.

Just play me like a violin.

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RE: is it pain if it doesn't hurt? - 1/2/2007 11:32:30 AM

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You all are just sick..sick I tell ya!

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RE: is it pain if it doesn't hurt? - 1/2/2007 12:28:59 PM

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Dalton: Pain don't hurt.

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RE: is it pain if it doesn't hurt? - 1/2/2007 2:25:40 PM

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You all are just sick..sick I tell ya!

Ahhhhh. That is truly one of the most heart warming compliments I know of. Nothing makes my heart sing more than hearing my Master tell me how sick and twisted I am.

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RE: is it pain if it doesn't hurt? - 1/2/2007 2:59:12 PM

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Pain is only the label you (or your brain) gives the stimulus you are feeling.

I like to look at this pain not pain thingy not as a on/off pain or no pain but as a continuoum from no stimulus to maximum stimulus you can perceive.
How you perceive the stimulus depends on many things like the context of environment, your mental/physical condition, physical environment (like heat) and where on the body the stimulus is received.

Example:
If I poke you softly with a pencil you won't consider that as pain, but if increase the pressure slowly, you will start to consider or label the stimulus as pain.

min max
I----------X----------------Z1---Y-----------Z2------------------------I

Somewhere on the continuum you start to label the stimulus as pain.

Under normal vanilla conditions you will start to label a stimulus as a pain (X) and bad pain as Z1 but under high arousal/stress the pain label has moved to (Y) and bad pain to Z2.

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RE: is it pain if it doesn't hurt? - 1/2/2007 3:11:59 PM

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I usually group "pain" (yes I use the pain label more than little or strong stimulus), into:

Good Bad
Bad Good
Bad

and sometimes bad bad bad bad bad good (with lots of !"#$%"#$%&%$&/#$% behind the gag)

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RE: is it pain if it doesn't hurt? - 1/2/2007 4:23:53 PM

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Pain is a word created for vanilla life,not lifestylers.People who drive pleasure from it,can never call it pain but for communication purposes they have to.Once there is a lifestylers dictionary,this word is certainly going to be replaced with___________. How can a whipping or caning be painful when it takes you to the highest form of ecastasy!
Are you being sarcastic? I can't tell. I derive pleasure from pain. When someone smacks me around, it hurts and that's part of what takes me to the 'highest form of ecastasy.'

On the opposite end, I like when people take pain...When they ask me to give them pain and get more than they wanted...mmmm...

Oh, and by the way junecleaver, I've been taking your name in vain on these boards and I apologize.
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