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is it pain if it doesn't hurt? - 1/1/2007 4:41:27 PM

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i am really hoping this doesn't sound too idiotic, but i have been thinking about it for the better part of my life and i'm not sure if it still makes any sense to me. here goes. i have an incredible need for pain, or at least what others call pain. how can it be pain if it doesn't hurt? i understand that i have a higher pain tolerance than most people. i guess the problem i am having is calling those sensations that i enjoy so much "pain". i have experienced what i consider pain, things that have really truly hurt, but those things have been few and have always been things that required emergency surgery such as the removal of a gall bladder. for me, that was pain. being beaten, flogged, whipped, caned, etc. is not painful, but pleasurable for me. what i have found most women would run screaming from i embrace. please don't misunderstand. i am very aware that i have limits just as anyone would, i just haven't reached them yet. so in reality i don't seek pain at all. i seek my version of pure pleasure, the strongest and most potent drug i know. maybe someday i will have a name for what the rest of the world calls "pain".

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RE: is it pain if it doesn't hurt? - 1/1/2007 4:49:46 PM

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I've got issues with the word Pain myself. Who's to say what pain actually is. You've got yours and I have mine. I've broken bones and only felt the ache, been kicked by a horse and immiediatly kicked um back, yet a tooth ache will put me in tears. I love mucles soreness after a work out, some call that pain. Thing is, I dont consider myself a pain slut
in the least, but I've been told I must me. I guess it's all in the perspective......

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RE: is it pain if it doesn't hurt? - 1/1/2007 5:03:13 PM

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This is exactly why I accepted my husband as a slave under my conditions: if I tie him up or whip him, I have to go past his pleasure to punish him. Instead I make him do "normal" things or I surprice him in another way. For a start, I tied him down on the bed and when he thought he was going to be spoiled, I left him there to go watch the TV. When I confronted him with this attitude and he still wanted to be my slave, that is when I agreed.

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RE: is it pain if it doesn't hurt? - 1/1/2007 5:17:26 PM

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Nah its not pain. I've been punched in the head a few times in my life. lol Once to the point where i saw stars and was blacking out. I was hit on the side of my face/eye area.

While it could be painful for alot of people, i do not consider being punched in the head painful. Its abit startling, but not painful. The reason it doesnt hurt doesnt matter.. it just doesnt. Is it painful for me? Noooooooooo.

So my answer is no.

Quivver.. tooth pain is the only thing that can drop almost anyone!

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RE: is it pain if it doesn't hurt? - 1/1/2007 5:21:48 PM

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My perspective:

Pain is a perception of physiological/chemical events on a cellular level.
If you do not perceive the chemical signals as pain, then they are not pain.
Enjoy!

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RE: is it pain if it doesn't hurt? - 1/1/2007 6:14:12 PM

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Hi :)

Like "if a tree falls in the forest, and there is nobody around to hear .... does it make a sound"?

Or "What is the sound of one hand clapping?"

We guess you will find out....

All the best, fawne

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RE: is it pain if it doesn't hurt? - 1/1/2007 6:16:39 PM

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this is exactly what i've been exploring of late. are we 'wired' differently? i completely understand what you mean...how can you be a pain slut if it doesn't feel painful? i just want to understand...but i don't...

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RE: is it pain if it doesn't hurt? - 1/1/2007 6:20:46 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: subsa

this is exactly what i've been exploring of late. are we 'wired' differently? i completely understand what you mean...how can you be a pain slut if it doesn't feel painful? i just want to understand...but i don't...

Well, I think that if a person is wired, as you say, to perceive pain as a different experience than other people, but that experience is one that is distinct and consistent, I dont see why it couldnt be called "pain", even though it experienced as a good feeling.

But if a person says "I like the feeling of being spanked but the feeling of a ten pound weight falling on my foot hurts like hell" then Id have to question if they are wired to interpret pain signals as pleasurable or if they just like certain kinds of pain.

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RE: is it pain if it doesn't hurt? - 1/1/2007 6:32:04 PM

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I've wondered about this for a long time and I think maybe with "some" of us our pain receptors are just wired differently. Yet, I think for all of us, some things are painful. Toothaches and other things that cause pain to us in a way that means something is wrong.

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RE: is it pain if it doesn't hurt? - 1/1/2007 7:32:37 PM

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I don't know how much time I'd spend worrying about it. If you like pain, then enjoy it. There are many who do. Trying to label yourself (even if you're simply wondering) isn't terribly productive, in my mind.

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RE: is it pain if it doesn't hurt? - 1/1/2007 8:05:57 PM

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Wonderful topic........

I agree with others who have stated that we are all wired differently and experience everything in a different way including pain. When i had my unmentionables i did not find it painful, uncomfortable at some points yes but i did not need anything for it, in fact they thought something was wrong because my blood pressure was so low when it should have been elevated. I fractured my tailbone while on duty and still managed to work another 4 hrs before going to the ER simply becasue i could barely walk anymore at that point.

Perhaps it was my rough and tumble tomboyish ways growing up, i certainly knew no fear and as a result had far more bumps, bruises, cuts etc than your average little girl.

Perhaps it was mental conditioning, my father could not stand to see me cry and when i was being punished crying would only make it worse so i learned to "suck it up" and go else where so to speak.

The human body and mind is amazing each one is unique in its own way and reacts and responds to various stimuli in different ways, and you are not alone. i have a high tolerance for pain, and like you embrace what others loathe; i am however complete wuss when it comes to any pain in my mouth and will cry like a baby over a toothache.

Who knows as long as you are able to still feel the pain that tells you something is wrong it is all good. Happy New Year

PS: your name suits you, you have a wonderful smile

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RE: is it pain if it doesn't hurt? - 1/1/2007 8:53:23 PM

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Pain is so subjective... for example, I played most of a football season with a fracture in my forearm, and spent five weeks walking on a fractured ankle because the first doctor I saw didn't X-ray since, in his words "If it was broken you wouldn't have been able to walk in."

But if I stub my toe, or do something else that most people consider incidental, I'll be writhing in agony for ten minutes.

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RE: is it pain if it doesn't hurt? - 1/1/2007 9:02:30 PM

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You call it pain because the majority of people process those sensations as pain. So when you are trying to communicate what you like with others, it makes sense to use this word since chances are they think of these things as painful even if they are also erotic. We use words to communicate so as long as you are communicating your wants accurately (and I think the word 'pain' does) it seems pointless to search for more labels.

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RE: is it pain if it doesn't hurt? - 1/1/2007 9:15:07 PM

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I recognize that people have very different tolerances and perceptions of pain. For myself, I have noticed that if I relax when I am experiencing something I consider to be painful, the feeling transforms into merely.....sensation. By relaxing into something that is painful, by not fighting it, and tensing around it, by not fearing it, it changes. It's a sort of meditative experience of pain, and makes me realize that when I stop identifying it as pain, and merely observe it, the experience changes. It may not be pleasure, but it's not exactly pain either. I learned this during childbirth and to this day, can't understand why other's think labor is painful. For me it was just feeling... very intense feeling, but not pain. I wonder if this is part of the experience of those who "enjoy" pain. Because they don't fear it or resist it, they don't experience it as pain.

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RE: is it pain if it doesn't hurt? - 1/1/2007 9:19:14 PM

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Pain is a word created for vanilla life,not lifestylers.People who drive pleasure from it,can never call it pain but for communication purposes they have to.Once there is a lifestylers dictionary,this word is certainly going to be replaced with___________. How can a whipping or caning be painful when it takes you to the highest form of ecastasy!

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RE: is it pain if it doesn't hurt? - 1/1/2007 10:01:39 PM

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quote:

Pain is a word created for vanilla life,not lifestylers.People who drive pleasure from it,can never call it pain but for communication purposes they have to.Once there is a lifestylers dictionary,this word is certainly going to be replaced with___________. How can a whipping or caning be painful when it takes you to the highest form of ecastasy!

Are you being sarcastic? I can't tell. I derive pleasure from pain. When someone smacks me around, it hurts and that's part of what takes me to the 'highest form of ecastasy.'

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RE: is it pain if it doesn't hurt? - 1/1/2007 10:05:02 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: junecleaver

quote:

Pain is a word created for vanilla life,not lifestylers.People who drive pleasure from it,can never call it pain but for communication purposes they have to.Once there is a lifestylers dictionary,this word is certainly going to be replaced with___________. How can a whipping or caning be painful when it takes you to the highest form of ecastasy!
Are you being sarcastic? I can't tell. I derive pleasure from pain. When someone smacks me around, it hurts and that's part of what takes me to the 'highest form of ecastasy.'

the pain is the good part, for me. sometimes a beating is simply pleasurable because it is a beating, but often it's pleasurable because it does hurt, because i get a sense of pride from being able to take a certain amount of pain, and because it reassures me of his dominance in a physical way.

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RE: is it pain if it doesn't hurt? - 1/2/2007 9:22:34 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: rainasmiles

i am really hoping this doesn't sound too idiotic, but i have been thinking about it for the better part of my life and i'm not sure if it still makes any sense to me. here goes. i have an incredible need for pain, or at least what others call pain. how can it be pain if it doesn't hurt? i understand that i have a higher pain tolerance than most people. i guess the problem i am having is calling those sensations that i enjoy so much "pain". i have experienced what i consider pain, things that have really truly hurt, but those things have been few and have always been things that required emergency surgery such as the removal of a gall bladder. for me, that was pain. being beaten, flogged, whipped, caned, etc. is not painful, but pleasurable for me. what i have found most women would run screaming from i embrace. please don't misunderstand. i am very aware that i have limits just as anyone would, i just haven't reached them yet. so in reality i don't seek pain at all. i seek my version of pure pleasure, the strongest and most potent drug i know. maybe someday i will have a name for what the rest of the world calls "pain".

Pain and pleasure are VERY subjective. What is "painful" for someone else may not be painful for you. And the same with pleasure. It all depends on you.

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RE: is it pain if it doesn't hurt? - 1/2/2007 10:05:52 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: rainasmiles

. maybe someday i will have a name for what the rest of the world calls "pain".

ummm how about "pleasure"

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RE: is it pain if it doesn't hurt? - 1/2/2007 10:14:04 AM

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For me, I see it as good/pleasure pain and bad pain. A lot of the pain I get from various yummy instruments of torture is pleasure for me...intense pleasure and I love it. My body processes it as pleasure. Other pain is bad and makes me work to get rid of it or avoid it. A paper cut drives me nuts, hate it, and yet stripes from a singletail that break the skin send me flying for days. I think it really is in how you, the individual, process it as to what it is to you.

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