mgdartist
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I have known about this for a long time. The most successful plan I have seen was by "Start Freedom Project". I know a guy did it and even got busted for a felony and when he was on paper, they said 'obey all laws'. The PO asked about taxes and he simply told him there was no law that said he had to pay. No problem.
Also, Joe Bannister is an ex-IRS agent who goes around the country spreading this info. While still an agent he came across the Devy Kidd website and actually was there to know his enemy. A devout Christian, after some literary intercourse with Kidd he went to his superiors in the IRS asking to see the exact statute that required people to pay taxes. They responded by kindly preparing a resignation for him to sign. A couple of years ago they decided to prosecute him and it sounds a hell of a lot like the Benson case. Unfortunately I do not know what the outcome was.
I have learned alot, and the one MAIN most MAJOR thing to know if you intend to refuse to pay taxes or to cheat or anything other than comply is DO NOT FILE. A 1040 is not a reciept, nor a balance sheet, it is a contract. It is also an affidavit that you are reporting your income truthfully. If nothing else, let's say you can even prove that you don't owe any taxes, they can get you on perjury.
A few years ago there was a case involving a pilot, self employed who won her case. At her acquittal the prosecutor asked the judge to order her to pay the tax to which the judge replied "I do not work for the IRS". Don't expect this to happen every time, to say the least.
You must be very careful. First of all do not try to assert any Constitutional rights or jurisdictional challenges in the court itself. These need to be presented as evidence in writing and filed as exhibits. Otherwise they can be simply stricken from the record.
You get your writs filed and supporting copies of extant law and they are like exhibit A, B etc. If you do it right one of two things will happen, well three. One is that they will throw the case out, but don't hold your breath. Another possibility, less pleasant but not bad, is that they tie up your assets for about a year and dismiss the case due to speedy trial issues. In these cases you get your stuff back, but when ? You need the resources to do this. Imagine life with no bank account, no source of income for a year, actually I think it is more like 9 months, not very consoling.
Another thing that might happen is that if your evidence is really strong (it has happened), the case might get marked 'not to published nor quoted'. In that case it doesn't matter if you won or lost. With nothing on record stating that you have a sentence, that sentence cannot be carried out. When that happens you got a different can of worms, getting your stuff back. The fuckers will try to keep it and you need heuristic evidence of it's seizure, because you can't refer to the case they brought against you. There is no record of it.
So you have to sue them, and have all ownership records etc., all that. Of course you persue the civil litigation. All kinds of things to sue for, especially if you got money, they impound your plane, fuck up your bank account so you can't make payroll and have to shut down your company, things like that.
Just remember in any court trial, in person never mention the Constitution, do it in writing.
I still am optimistic about this even though a person I know is in jail. Not over this, he did something really stupid. He sold some drugs and got popped.
In that light, I offer this caveat : You can win, but the cost is that you will be a target. He was. Quarter million a year and no taxes. Employees too, so there may have been a half million going around that they didn't get their dirty little fingers into. They do not like that.
Wilhelm E Schmidt or Schmitt was a big one disseminating info like this. He disappeared. Of course he was old so there may not have been any skullduggery involved. He may have just passed away.
In closing I offer this warning. Yes it can be done, and it is tempting, but it is not for everybody. If you want to persue this forget this forum, forget any TV or other entertainment, you will have to study. You are not playing with kids, they know what they are doing and have alot more moves than you. This is something like going to the racetrack with the rent money, or playing a game of chess when your opponent has all rooks and queens and all you have is pawns.
You need a rock solid basis in law for every assertion you make, and not just in the Constitution. You need to be prepared to go to jail for a short time if you make a mistake. You need people on the outside who will research for you and are in the know about the whole situation.
Making a quarter mil a year and having most of your equipment paid off, living high, but not too high that you don't have like $20,000 in a safe somewhere, you might have a reason to do this. It would be stupid for some people. Work at a bank or other big company forget it. You simply can't. If you make less than about $60,000 a year you can cheat enough so you don't have to.
Absolute fact of the matter is that you can get out of paying taxes, but is it worth it ? Alot of people/families who don't make that much get EIC and can actually get back more than they paid in. In that case it would be sheer stupidity. Some also pay a small amount of tax and use the system like a bank account. They might make good money but put 2 or 3 less dependants on the W4. Then they pay off their Chrismas expenses with it (hopefully).
You can do many things, fight taxes, run for office, get vocal about political issues etc., anytime you want. Just remember that you become a target and you better keep your nose clean. Don't drive drinking, don't sell weed, in fact don't do anything illegal in public. Also if your creditors catch wind of you removing yourself from the tax system, don't expect the most glorious treatment from them either.
And do not get legally married in this country. DO NOT get a marriage license. There are alot of other things you can't do. I could never provide an exhaustive list. A contractor can't do certain work unless the customer gets a homeowner's permit. Keep your bank accounts safe and a few secret ones. Never write a check to a lawyer, government or doctor or hospital.
There is alot more to it. Their way is good, but my way is better. I do not exist. No ID, no nothing. I removed myself from the system cleanly. They probably think I died. I am very careful not to create a paper trail. I will not go into the details of what I did, and it, also, is not for everybody.
Anyone wants to try the thing out, see if they can get out, I would love to hear it. My situation is unique in that I can arrainge things in ways others simply cannot. So forget my method of beating them and get to the right way. I knew a guy getting a healthy private pension. No tax. He died, but there was no foul play. Left me an AK and our other buddy a pickup truck. He had worked for GM, and actually became a non taxpayer while he still worked. I would dare guess that he was the only one in the history of that corporation to demand that they stop taking taxes out of his check, who succeded.
The bigger the company you work for the harder it is. And the only way you can completely indemnify the company is to present them a bill each week for your work. The 1099s are not good enough, because under IRS rules if the company dictates where and when the work is to be done, you are supposed to be on W2s, getting taxes witheld. You might be out of the system, but you can't expect them to do something their lawyers and accounts will tell them might land them in jail. That is unreasonable.
In a situation like this you had better be pretty damn valuable to the company. My GM buddy was a millright. Look around, if there are 15 others around doing the same job as you, it will not work usually.
You have to get them not to withold, therefore you technicaslly cannot be a legal employee of the company. Even if you become John Doe dba John Doe, they might not go for it. Also if you drive or operate heavy machinery you'll need to carry your own insurance.
What I've seen happening in recent years, well not so recent, is that people get divorced from a good olady, keep her happy. All property and equipment is in her name. He gets a dba account at a bank. This is when he is the chief breadwinner. This doesn't work for alot of people because some find that it is hard to find anyone to trust to that degree.
This is not flaking it off on someone else, it is common sense. If the IRS sees you with millions in assets but no income they get curious. No matter how well founded our roots are in the law, they don't always obey it. Millions in assets and no 1040s will make you a target. Plus getting everything possible out of your name is good when they come looking to take your stuff.
More later, the maid quit because I refused to take taxes out of her check. I sent her back to Mexico. So now I have to wash my own clothes. BBL.
T
Dude, Let's just say I have some friends who know some people who had an interest in some of your ideas presented here.. Long story short, what you wrote is now legend.
thanks
a lot.
MGD
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