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MarkWilliam -> Skype fear for fakes (12/13/2006 8:25:07 AM)

There are many ways of catching out a fake, but one of the most foolproof methods I've found of late is the VOIP program, Skype.

Calls to landlines, and in some cases mobiles, in many of the most common places of residence, such as the USA, EU countries, Canada and Australia, only cost about 2 US/euro cents, or 1 English penny per minute.

This means that it's quite easy and very cheap nowadays to call someone who's ready and willing enough to give you their phone number, if you feel you need additional proof of their identity.

However, it's very possible that in the early stages they won't trust you enough to give out their phone number, in which case you'll still have some work to do. But from my experience, the fakes tend to fall at the first hurdle when pressed for a phone number, because it means their real gender will be discovered or they're scared of their better or worse half getting suspicious when you call.

Anyone doubting my identity are free to contact me through Skype. I use Skype all the time for both business and pleasure, so I'll be very happy to give advice to anyone new to making phone calls over the Internet.

Hope this helps.

Mark

PS - Skype is free and easy to download (takes about 2 mins) at www.skype.com

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Altina -> RE: Skype fear for fakes (12/13/2006 8:27:16 AM)

To be honest, anyone who presses for a number repeatedly, before I feel safe giving one, to me seems to be a bit desperate in trying to hurry a relationship along.
 
Just my own opinion though.



darksdesire -> RE: Skype fear for fakes (12/13/2006 8:30:23 AM)

Way back when, when I was searching I was VERY reluctant to give out a number because once someone has that number, they are able to obtain identifying information.  I suspect this may be particualry true for women, who often feel vulnerable to internet dangers.  I only gave my number out to a very few, and only after many emails and chats.  I do know this raised suspicion for many Doms who often wanted my phone number right away, but it simply didn't feel safe to do that.  



LaTigresse -> RE: Skype fear for fakes (12/13/2006 8:31:16 AM)

I do not give out personal contact information until I am good and ready. Talking to someone on the phone really doesn't prove anything. Regardless of wether or not I am talking to them on the phone, they can still pretend to be whomever they want. It is their behaviour over time that proves their reliability. 



Petruchio -> RE: Skype fear for fakes (12/13/2006 8:44:10 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: LaTigresse

Talking to someone on the phone really doesn't prove anything. Regardless of wether or not I am talking to them on the phone, they can still pretend to be whomever they want.


I don't necessarily agreee. You can hear such things as a smoker's voice, kids or workplace in the background, and that "Honey? Are you coming to bed?"

quote:

It is their behaviour over time that proves their reliability.


That I do agree with.



ArabianPearl -> RE: Skype fear for fakes (12/13/2006 8:45:42 AM)

I think it's sound advice (no pun intended!).

My time and energy are more expensive than ever and once a relationship gets moving (I don't suggest that a phone number is requested right at the beginning) then any fake will surely balk at giving their number for fear of being found out.

Let's face it, you don't actually have to use it. Perhaps their reaction will tell you all you need to know.

AP



Petruchio -> RE: Skype fear for fakes (12/13/2006 8:46:07 AM)

So, um, what does the *REAL* Mark William have to say about this? (evil grin)



ArabianPearl -> RE: Skype fear for fakes (12/13/2006 8:49:38 AM)

[sm=ofcourse.gif]

leave your number and he'll call you back later when she's at bingo



MarkWilliam -> RE: Skype fear for fakes (12/13/2006 8:52:34 AM)

thanks AP, i'll add that one to my list ;-)



Emperor1956 -> RE: Skype fear for fakes (12/13/2006 9:00:07 AM)

You people are really naive.  For less than $50, I can buy an untraceable, pay-as-you-go cell phone at the corner 7-11, and give you "my" number and lie to you all day and night on the phone.  Using Skype, or any VOIP system doesn't change that. 

By the way, every skank on CSI or Law and Order knows the cell phone ruse.  You think the skanks on CollarMe don't?

E.



LaTigresse -> RE: Skype fear for fakes (12/13/2006 9:08:53 AM)

The only reason I said what I did about the phone is that I was fooled by a guy very well one time. He had a voice altering gizmo that made him sound very feminine. Nothing about him was what he said he was. There was a woman by the name given, she was related to the people he/she said etc etc etc......It was just not the person that contacted me. When they did not show up to meet I was concerned for their wellbeing and tried to contact him/her. Finally I contacted the uncle he/she said they were so close to and knew allllllll about me.

Wellllllll, this gentleman was ever so shocked to hear my story. Turns out the fraud had worked for his family at one time, had access to all their family information. He had become a very convincing crossdressing stripper and had quite a history. Unfortunately for the young man he chose the wrong family to pretend to be a part of. My computer/phone records were part of a pendinglegal case last I knew.

And THAT is why I said what I did.

Edited to add........and yeah, what E said. I know people that get those cell phones to give out so that they cannot be traced by the scary freaks.



MarkWilliam -> RE: Skype fear for fakes (12/13/2006 9:10:02 AM)

perhaps Emperor1956, but I think Petruchio had a point when he mentioned such things as a smoker's voice, kids or workplace in the background.

After all, they don't know when exactly you're going to call, so there's more chance you'll catch them out.



Fitznicely -> RE: Skype fear for fakes (12/13/2006 9:16:23 AM)

Emperor - I wouldn't want a cellphone number from anyone...and I wouldn't call one even using skype. Have you seen the rates??

I grew up in the age of Citizen's Band radio, where you NEVER gave your information out over the air. OK, this was generally because yer average CB only had power to reach five miles or so (I live in hilly suburbs), but still...

The concept stuck, I would never consider giving my phone number out and I would be deeply suspicious of someone who wanted to give me theirs.

My skype, MSN or Yahoo ID's are freely available, however. If someone from the internet wants to talk to me, they can use one of them. That way, when they turn out to be freaks or psychos, they can be blocked and you haven't given them a means of finding out your home address...



Emperor1956 -> RE: Skype fear for fakes (12/13/2006 9:19:49 AM)

quote:

MarkWilliams:  perhaps Emperor1956, but I think Petruchio had a point when he mentioned such things as a smoker's voice, kids or workplace in the background.


You think that someone bent on deception is going to be "found out" by a phone call?  Maybe, if they are incredibly stupid (and many crooks are stupid, so I guess you could be correct).  But if a person has a half of a brain and wants to deceive, you aren't going to hear the "smoker's voice" (what is that, exactly, by the way.  Husky?  Panting?   Saying "gimme a Camel" ever other sentence?) or the kids or the work place.

quote:

After all, they don't know when exactly you're going to call, so there's more chance you'll catch them out.


Huh?  One feature of cell phones of all stripes is that you can shut them off and they take messages.  So all the scammer has to do is shut off the phone and say "I was in a meeting".  

Again, this naive idea that a phone call can somehow protect one just needs to be give the last rites and buried.

E.



crouchingtigress -> RE: Skype fear for fakes (12/13/2006 9:22:31 AM)

quote:

You can hear such things as a smoker's voice, kids or workplace in the background, and that "Honey? Are you coming to bed?"

 
 
and also you feel a person hesitance to a question...you can feel a persons manic-ness to be liked, you can hear a suppressed giggle or a erotic twitter...
 
we all are psychic to some degree and the tiny inflections and vibrations are evident in phone conversations much more then in written diolog.....and often when you do get scammed by some one you sort of new it was a scam but did not act upon it....
 
for me, i go directly to voice.... i know everything i need to know in 5 minutes...where as text can take several emails.
 
 



toservez -> RE: Skype fear for fakes (12/13/2006 9:23:27 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Altina

To be honest, anyone who presses for a number repeatedly, before I feel safe giving one, to me seems to be a bit desperate in trying to hurry a relationship along.
 
Just my own opinion though.



Amen! There is a huge difference in expecting a progression to phone and real life meeting or cutting things off then artificially demanding something out of real or made up reasons to get a person on the phone or meet. I found people sincere had no problem with spending some time at each stage as long as there was progression then ones insisting on things in an artificial time period.

If the speed that the other person is going too slow or they are non committal to giving a time frame then a person can and maybe should walk away. To impose your time frame from the start regardless of the reason and calling all people fake if they refuse only will make sure you are by yourself.



akisha -> RE: Skype fear for fakes (12/13/2006 9:27:39 AM)

You don't need their phone number to skype. Video calls are free between people as long as they have the program, you can call PC to PC and use video or just voice.

A friend of mine and I use it alot. As I have unlimited anytime anywhere CAnada / USA Long Distance on my lan line I don't need to pay to use a computer calling program, doesn't make sense, but for the free video calling it's great.



Missokyst -> RE: Skype fear for fakes (12/13/2006 10:16:36 AM)

Heck, I detest giving out my cell number.  I use it for business and personal and believe me, I WISH some of my family and friends didn't know my number.  There is nothing that pisses me off more than annoying unnecessary calls.  And should I give it out to a stranger, who is to say that person would be sane and polite enough to know that some of us do not appreciate random calls?  I have lived long enough to know that people generally present their best face in the early months.  The Mr Hyde part still may be ready to pounce once you have further contact.
I only give my cell out to people who matter.
Otherwise, I suggest one of those throw away numbers if you really want to connect to a stranger.

Now, how can I get my ex brother in law to forget I know about computers?
HELP!!!
Kyst



eyesopened -> RE: Skype fear for fakes (12/13/2006 10:42:00 AM)

i don't even HAVE a land line anymore, why should i when my cell phone rates are so low and i have cable internet?  Because i use my cell for business and because the nature of my work has me busy beyond the normal 8-5 business day i would hate to be called a FAKE just because the call went to voice mail or went to voice mail because i was on another call or had a weak signal.  In my mind, the only  REAL way to know anyone is real is to meet, face to face.  



LaTigresse -> RE: Skype fear for fakes (12/13/2006 10:49:46 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: eyesopened
In my mind, the only  REAL way to know anyone is real is to meet, face to face.  


My thoughts exactly.



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