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My Ode to Music - 12/11/2006 8:26:38 PM   
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Ode to Music


Music the intensity of it makes my heart beat like a drum with its own mind. Without it there would be no rhythm to feel no passion between lovers. No motivation to move onto the next day. Music is there when you need it when your down its down when your up its up. Music is simple... it is complex... it is a dramatic chord that plays on with no particular reason. It feels your pain your happiness. Emotions are played with an ivory key that has a treble and a base. It has a fermata to hold. It has a adagio and a crescendo to handle the mood swings of life. Music is my rock. Whether its trance music ....glow sticks through air like giant lasers piercing the sky, whether its rap that spouts out verbal profanities of truth, or folk that feeds the down home soul, or the rock that fills the inner rage, or the jazz that keeps you jiving. There will always be a song for everyone it doesn't discriminate. An ode to music.
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RE: My Ode to Music - 12/12/2006 6:14:34 AM   
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RE: My Ode to Music - 12/12/2006 11:32:45 AM   
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Status: offline 		I must say this here, sorry, merely as a counterpoint, as from the nature of the OP, one might think their view is universally accepted.

Beg to differ. Here's my "Ode to Music"(RIP)

I was always a huge audiophile, especially when younger. But over the last decade or so, music, and more specifically musicians have lost their savor for me. I once had to be sure the local FM stations were on and blaring so I'd not miss any of that days kewl programming. The radio stations set the rythm for everyones lives it seemed. It was the era of what's now known as classic rock, then MTV. The music was nothing short of sublime. Now I turn on the radio to a station I know plays it, and within 10 minutes I'm usually wincing, then turning it down/off. Those days are over, and  done with, and with the advent of digital recording -> cd's - > mp3's you would think the music contained in this vast new area of potential would rise to meet the grand new technology. I know I'll get harshly flamed for saying this, and get told I'm just getting old blah bluh bleh, but no, they haven't, and todays new music is for the most part - shit.

By the time I saw Metallica's lead singer on the news whining about napster, and the millions it had cost them via piracy, by virtue of the mp3, and I watch todays young audiophiles with entire portable barebones pc rigs - dedicated to filling huge hard drives with mp3 content, not just single songs like my perhaps 200 song collection, but albums, and the same album remixed, and so much music content ad nauseum you would think they must have found something truly special youve not heard. ..then they play it, and you listen as long as you can, and finally say "dood, great sound system, but what the fuck IS that crap? music?" Yeah, I know, to each his own, but I also know that the recording studio's and musicians no longer care about sound anymore, but mostly trends and sales and their next mainstream platinum record which is good if you need something to make you yawn...or barf.. There's a reason the numbers are down, and so many steal it instead of buy it.  Because it sucks. They've sold out. Like Sony installing rootkits in 50+ new releases, getting caught, lying, lying again worse, and finally doing a massive recall - why? To stop piracy or because they can't/won't produce content that inspires music fans like it once did?

As a visual artist, it's hard to be sympathetic about music piracy, since they've been doing it to us for centuries, and now, musicians, victimized by their own new digital technology, want to cry foul! where's our loyal fan base? where are all the kids who once bought our cd's for nearly $20 apiece? Wha wha wha....welcome to my world geniuses, they're stealing it, since you made it so easy for em, and you still obvously think your etherial, transient audio art is more important the anything on the planet. Maybe the buying public is finally telling you what they finally see-youre over-rated.

As far as musicians themselves, they continually fail to impress or inspire, and I always wonder why women find them so irresistable. I once sat in a parking lot in front of a local night club known for live shows, as an expensive foriegn sports car pulled up in front of me, and watched as the beautiful girl driving got out, walked around to the passenger side, and helped this slouching, 2 clicks above catatonic "person" in sunshades out, and with her support, they both went to the hatchback, opened it, retrieved his axe, and they walked into the club, him leaning against her as though barely able to remain upright, with her carrying his guitar! Once in the middle of the street in front of the club doors, he stumbled and fell on his ass anyway, and cars had to stop and wait as she-wrestling his guitar, had to lean and help him up. Oh, the humanity. What an inspiring spectacle. Ever since that day, people who start babbling about some new music/rock show/artist this or that are always stunned to hear me say:
"Whatever, I despise musicians."

What do you call a musician without a girlfriend?
homeless.

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RE: My Ode to Music - 12/12/2006 11:46:47 AM   
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Status: offline 		Got to say I agree with you for the most part mgdartist. Look at all the old groups, the Stones, The Who, what the hell, choose any. For the most part they still play the same stuff they played in their twenties, they still try to live like they do in their twenties, hear them in interviews, they still talk like they did in their twenties. Any other artist in any other art form would be laughed at and pissed on if they did the same. Hell, listen to Mick Jagger or worse Bono and you realise a couple of plane crashes would have done them a favour. As for all the new music, its just a rehash of the 50s, 60s and 70s. Too much music, too little quality.

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RE: My Ode to Music - 12/12/2006 12:22:49 PM   
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or worse Bono and you realise a couple of plane crashes would have done them a favour. As for all the new music, its just a rehash of the 50s, 60s and 70s. Too much music, too little quality.
That is untrue of Bono, and mean spirited of you to say of one of the men I love.    M

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RE: My Ode to Music - 12/12/2006 12:34:26 PM   
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or worse Bono and you realise a couple of plane crashes would have done them a favour. As for all the new music, its just a rehash of the 50s, 60s and 70s. Too much music, too little quality.
That is untrue of Bono, and mean spirited of you to say of one of the men I love.    M


agree.....Don't pick on Bono.

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RE: My Ode to Music - 12/12/2006 12:48:47 PM   
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Status: offline 		So let me see if I am following your moral argument here mgdartist; you don’t like modern pop music (neither do I) and you feel that visual artists have been the victims of intellectual property theft in the past (certainly true), therefore it is alright for people to steal music (WTF!?). Dissatisfaction with one sort of art is not justification for ripping off another.

There is and always has been a lot of fine music beyond the limited world of pop. Invest a little effort in finding it instead of whining about the crap oozing from the radio. I don’t judge all visual artists based on the quality and quantity of commercial “art” that invades my life. To make a blanket condemnation similar to your “Whatever, I despise musicians" , would be just plain lazy.

There are many musicians who are dedicated to music as high art and pure expression. They deserve to make a living from their work just like anyone else.


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RE: My Ode to Music - 12/12/2006 12:52:26 PM   
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http://www.collarchat.com/m_619616/mpage_1/key_bono/tm.htm#619616
couldnt have said it better.

not to badmouth any specific musician, but U2 would remain on the fringe of some of the things I bitch about. A great band in the old days, and Bono perhaps a great man. But a man who seems to focus nobly and altruistically on world problems, but his music of late?
no comment.


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RE: My Ode to Music - 12/12/2006 1:07:40 PM   
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Status: offline 		Bono was telling everyone they should pay more tax to help pay of debt for debtor nations and whadaya know. U2 move some of their business to Holland to pay less tax.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2006/08/08/nbono08.xml
Perhaps Bono ought to look into the mirror a little more often.

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RE: My Ode to Music - 12/12/2006 1:13:06 PM   
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So let me see if I am following your moral argument here mgdartist; you don’t like modern pop music (neither do I) and you feel that visual artists have been the victims of intellectual property theft in the past (certainly true), therefore it is alright for people to steal music (WTF!?). Dissatisfaction with one sort of art is not justification for ripping off another.

There is and always has been a lot of fine music beyond the limited world of pop. Invest a little effort in finding it instead of whining about the crap oozing from the radio. I don’t judge all visual artists based on the quality and quantity of commercial “art” that invades my life. To make a blanket condemnation similar to your “Whatever, I despise musicians" , would be just plain lazy.

There are many musicians who are dedicated to music as high art and pure expression. They deserve to make a living from their work just like anyone else.


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Firstly, I didnt condone or say it was "alright" for people to steal music. Then again, I'd be a liar and hyppocrite were I to say I hadn't. However you haven't , correct?

Granted my view could be construed as somewhat insular or biased, perhaps even jealous. (musicians always get all the primo ass, while generally treating the women like mere shagmeat...and the groupies still wait in line for their turn, and speak of the musical genius in hushed and reverend tones...it's classic topsy-turvy feminine logic, but a beautiful thing ...lol) But my presumtions are generally factual, and if you think I have merely been sitting about not seeking newer and better content you'd be mistaken. I have, and all too often, once I've sampled it, am generally horrified.

But I don't despise them just for being uninspirational, lazy themselves, or how they treat women pe se, or even for whining about piracy when theyre already millionaires, or even acting as though their shit don't stink, but at some point....sigh.
never mind.
I'll just take the flames I knew I'd get like a big boy.
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RE: My Ode to Music - 12/12/2006 1:14:51 PM   
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RE: My Ode to Music - 12/12/2006 4:14:32 PM   
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Status: offline 		Music has been with us for thousands of years. we now have a rich catalogue of genres and styles , more accessible than ever before. PErsonally, I dont' find some modern "music" musical, or enjoyable, but then again, there are types of art I don't like, or understand or appreciate. I don't turn off or not listen to the music I do like though and couldn't live without it!
as for the copyright theft issue. The real reason music companies, and some (but by no means all) musicians moan and complain of illegal downloading/copyright theft and piracy is because instead of looking at changing technologies and social trends, they have tried to old on to a business model that used to make fortunes, and is now being severely challenged. But some of their complaints just don't hold water. Are they losing millions in sales? yes, from cd/dvd piracy. and yes, from downloading. But the figures they mention? would the teenager with no money who has downloaded 100 albums every have bought a fraction of them if he wasn't able to download? almost certainly not. So what sales do they actually lose? maybe if they looked in another way. I've downloaded music off the net. I've downloaded music from groups from my youth, i'd heard of but never really heard before. I've listened to music that I've not heard before, and through that found a whole list of bands I'd love to hear more of....so I go to my record store, and search in vain.....the internet could be the best marketing and sales tool music companies ever have had, but instead of being revolutionary they cling to their old model...
and theres another issue I've rarely heard raised. ITs amoral, and ethical issue for me...I've no problem with Robbie Williams, Aerosmith, the Rolling Stones, Oasis etc etc making a good living from their music. But is the money they currently earn really justified? there is a lot of pressure in teh uk at the moment for copyright for music to be increased from its current 50 years... So a musician who gets a handful of hits can make money from his few hours of inspirational work for years and years to come. Do musicians, (and you could use the same argument for tv hosts, actors, sportstars) really deserve the money they do make? maybe they are being greedy...maybe the internet downloading tredn might force an adjustment in expectations.....wouldnt that be a fair thing?


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RE: My Ode to Music - 12/12/2006 6:25:37 PM   
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Status: offline 		All flames may express disagreement but not all disagreements are flames. Unless you disagreeing with the OP is also a flame, in which case I must be a verbal arsonist too. Anyway, people who spray inflammatory generalisations can expect to get a little splash-back. You can't make a virtue of allowing others to differ with you, especially on an internet forum.

As to your statement -" Firstly, I didnt condone or say it was "alright" for people to steal music. "

The following quote offers a number of justifications for music theft.

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ORIGINAL: mgdartist

As a visual artist, it's hard to be sympathetic about music piracy, since they've been doing it to us for centuries, and now, musicians, victimized by their own new digital technology, want to cry foul! where's our loyal fan base? where are all the kids who once bought our cd's for nearly $20 apiece? Wha wha wha....welcome to my world geniuses, they're stealing it, since you made it so easy for em, and you still obvously think your etherial, transient audio art is more important the anything on the planet. Maybe the buying public is finally telling you what they finally see-youre over-rated.



Rationalise, excuse, defend, explain, validate, pardon, minimise... near as damnit to condone in my thesaurus.


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RE: My Ode to Music - 12/13/2006 12:32:57 AM   
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Status: offline 		apparently you feel that by being unsympathetic, i thereby condone it.
while I feel you are deluded, and had to re-read my own words you quoted several times to assure myself of it, i did at least admit ive DL'd a free mp3 or 2.

a question I noticed you as yet havent answered. Until you do, kindly find a ladder....


and climb down off my back....lol.


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RE: My Ode to Music - 12/13/2006 6:21:30 AM   
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Status: offline 		To be honest with you, I think your attitude about newer music is primarily caused by age ... not that you're old, just that you have a special fondness for the music you grew up with.
 
The father person here, has a great music collection. Some of it just kicks ass, and I'm blessed to be allowed to record it for my own use ... and some of it just sounds like shit to me. By coincidence, what I like the most, are bands that were not really the biggest groups around. Some of the mega groups ... I can't listen to at all. I like the Musac versions better.
 
Maybe what you need to try with newer music, is get past the mega groups and get to that second layer of artists.

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RE: My Ode to Music - 12/13/2006 9:34:06 AM   
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Status: offline 		This is amazing. I post a counterpoint to an OP of syrupy passion and reverence to the muse, and have one poster agree with me - a man.
The rest presume I must have such a view out of ignorance, and because I haven't done my homework and dug deep enough into the minutia of new music released, when in fact they have no idea, and if they did would likely know I'd been and done quite the opposite, having delved deeply into multiple genres of rock, country, jazz, progressive rock and country, pop, rap and hiphop. "The rest"  also happen to be women (if I'm not mistaken)...none of which have even addressed my inferences regarding how musicians themselves tend to treat them, and how they invariably seem excessively tolerant of it, to the point it's an amusing cliche known as "groupie". Given their adoration of music itself, and the musicians who create it, I wonder that all the profiles which read "I'm not a doormat" don't have "unless youre a musician" as disclaimer.

At least foamy agrees with me...lol.


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RE: My Ode to Music - 12/13/2006 10:45:33 AM   
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apparently you feel that by being unsympathetic, i thereby condone it.
while I feel you are deluded, and had to re-read my own words you quoted several times to assure myself of it, i did at least admit ive DL'd a free mp3 or 2.

a question I noticed you as yet havent answered. Until you do, kindly find a ladder....

and climb down off my back....lol.


Apparently you are unable to understand what you wrote so I don't hold much hope explaining to you that whether or not I personally have ever engaged in music theft has absolutely no bearing whatever on the greater question of whether theft in general is justifiable or not.

As a musician I find your assertions insulting. As an artist I find your justification of theft disgraceful and irresponsible.

If I had walked into a celebratory thread on visual art and started spewing insults directed at painters, roundly condemning them all as sluts, drunks, misogynists and thieves, I'd be willing to bet that someone, maybe even you, would have something to say about it.

I can’t get of your back because some guy with a flamethrower and a five-story soapbox is presently using the only ladder in this thread. If you don't like the OP’s tone by all means leave. If you insist on staying and insulting music, musicians, music lovers and women, prepare to have your bullshit called. But please stop playing the victim, it is so P/A.


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RE: My Ode to Music - 12/13/2006 11:22:39 AM   
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nice try. Actually the fact of whether or not you personally have downloaded pirated music has everything to do with it.
Bottom line, youre entitled to your opinion, as am I.
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RE: My Ode to Music - 12/13/2006 11:32:48 AM   
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Status: offline 		Since you can't see past it - I'm not a pirate.

So, is it OK for everyone else to steal now? Or is it only OK if I am a pirate? It is so easy to get confused when your premise makes no sense.





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RE: My Ode to Music - 12/13/2006 11:45:20 AM   
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...musicians always get all the primo ass, while generally treating the women like mere shagmeat...


You describe male musicians as catatonic imbeciles and yet their women are "primo ass"? Something ain't right there. I am thinking that those women are ultimately as undesirable as the men you describe - not that these stereotypes cover all possible cases for rock star types.

Taking Mick Jagger and Jerry Hall (I realize they split up some time ago but I don't know who the guy dates now) as examples: I find them both possibly attractive on a very superficial level, but as people I wouldn't expect much from either one as Jagger would seem to come across like a teenager in a middle-agers body and Hall as the brain-dead stoner chick in tow. I'm not going to lose any sleep about how great Hall supposedly happens to be despite her being a fashion horse and possibly "primo ass," I figure she's got nothing I want or need. If it were otherwise she wouldn't be interested in a man like Jagger - she was a famous model with her own money who took years of bullshit and abuse from the father of her children. She doesn't seem particularly exceptional to me.

I just find these kinds of generalizations about famous people bewildering. Most of the famous people I have met are self-obsessed assholes.


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