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PiercedDaz -> Partriarch/Matriarch/Mutual D/s (11/11/2006 8:40:14 PM)

I am genuinely interested in finding out the general consencus on peoples views of the reasons behind D/s.

Do some believe in male superiority? Female superiority? Mutual authority?

I personally believe in mutual authority but know of two people who genuinely believe in male/female superiority respectively.

I know that this is a very contentious issue that could cause some real disagreements, I'd just like to know your honest personal points of view.

Thanks,

Daz.



Rover -> RE: Partriarch/Matriarch/Mutual D/s (11/11/2006 8:51:00 PM)

I believe in what is readily observable in life... that neither Dominance or submission is gender related (as there are obviously Dominants and submissives of both genders).
 
John



PiercedDaz -> RE: Partriarch/Matriarch/Mutual D/s (11/11/2006 8:54:28 PM)

Ok, fair point. BUT....

My friend who believes in male superiority is a male Dom and my friend who believes in female superiority is a female Domme.

And what about male subs who fill thier profiles claiming that they wish to submit to the superior female sex?



BitaTruble -> RE: Partriarch/Matriarch/Mutual D/s (11/11/2006 8:54:54 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: PiercedDaz

I am genuinely interested in finding out the general consencus on peoples views of the reasons behind D/s.

Do some believe in male superiority? Female superiority? Mutual authority?

I personally believe in mutual authority but know of two people who genuinely believe in male/female superiority respectively.

I know that this is a very contentious issue that could cause some real disagreements, I'd just like to know your honest personal points of view.

Thanks,

Daz.


I don't believe in gender based superiority and it seems to me that mutual authority describes a vanilla relationship and while I certainly believe the vast majority practice mutual authority, it's not something that I can relate to on a personal level.

Celeste



DiurnalVampire -> RE: Partriarch/Matriarch/Mutual D/s (11/11/2006 8:56:14 PM)

I believe in Female Superiority in as far as my relationships go. Outside of that, I know as many Dominant males as I do females. The same with submissives, almost an equal number of each. Id have to say I believe in mutual authority, whomever believes themself to be Dominant should be able to express that.
I know Angel believes all females are superior to him, including submissive ones.  The only ones he does not see himself as less than are the vanillas that put on a fake damsel in distress front to attract men.

DV




Rover -> RE: Partriarch/Matriarch/Mutual D/s (11/11/2006 8:57:51 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: PiercedDaz

Ok, fair point. BUT....

My friend who believes in male superiority is a male Dom and my friend who believes in female superiority is a female Domme.

And what about male subs who fill thier profiles claiming that they wish to submit to the superior female sex?


Ok, so you basically have two people, each asserting that the other does not exist.  What does that tell you?
 
Any gender based superiority as it relates to Dominance or submission is merely a personal fantasy.
 
John



PiercedDaz -> RE: Partriarch/Matriarch/Mutual D/s (11/11/2006 8:59:27 PM)

In case there is any confusion, I'm not trying to ask the question 'Who's the best? Blokes or women?'

I am just interested in people's internal motivators to their own D/s influence.



DiurnalVampire -> RE: Partriarch/Matriarch/Mutual D/s (11/11/2006 9:02:57 PM)

You will never find a Male Dom who is a female supremecist... or he would never be able to keep a femsub since he would think they were inherintly superior to himself. Same thing with a Female Domme being a male supremecist.  There are plenty of submissives that believe in the supremecy of the opposite sex, which makes their subservience more natural for them. And there are also homosexual subs that believe in their own gender superiority... for the sub its a matter of whom they wish to serve.  For the hetero Dominant party, since they are superior it stands to reason they would believe their gender is superior.  For Homosexual Dom/me I dont thinnk it would work.

My opinion
DV



FirmhandKY -> RE: Partriarch/Matriarch/Mutual D/s (11/11/2006 9:45:17 PM)

I don't think "Superiority" enters into it at all.

I've seen several people try to give an evolutionary explanation for maledom/femsub, and based on a lot of things, I find some credence to that, but I don't think it's entirely accurate.

I'm reading Dawkin's "The Selfish Gene" right now, because I've really gotten interested in evolutionary psychology and sociology.  Another excellent, really excellent book about male/female relations is Randy Thornhill's 2000 book "The Natural History of Rape".

There are, I think, some pretty good arguments that homo sapiens hasn't settled on either a completely "male dominant" or "female dominant" or "equality" paradigm.  I think the human race is bouncing around (evolutionarily speaking), looking for an ESS (Evolutionary Stable Strategy), with some of both sex's dominant, some of both submissive, and some somewhere in the middle, or leaning one way or the other.

But, regardless of "dominance" it's not about "Superiority" at all.

FirmKY



amayos -> RE: Partriarch/Matriarch/Mutual D/s (11/11/2006 10:03:54 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: PiercedDaz

Do some believe in male superiority? Female superiority? Mutual authority?

I know that this is a very contentious issue that could cause some real disagreements, I'd just like to know your honest personal points of view.



I find both species of thought make the world an interesting place.



losttreasure -> RE: Partriarch/Matriarch/Mutual D/s (11/11/2006 10:10:06 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: PiercedDaz

In case there is any confusion, I'm not trying to ask the question 'Who's the best? Blokes or women?'

I am just interested in people's internal motivators to their own D/s influence.


I agree with FirmHandKY (lol... no surprise there) that "Superiority" doesn't enter into it at all. 

For me, it isn't that I think males are superior.  To be honest... I don't think that all males are any one thing simply based on their gender.  Nor women.

I only know what feels right for me... to surrender my authority to the one man who commands my heart.  It's a drive that has been within me for as long as I remember. I don't believe that is socially or environmentally influenced.  I can only think that it is genetic.

Now... if the fact that FirmHandKY has given release to these long waiting desires makes him superior, who am I to argue.  [;)]



MzTlaz -> RE: Partriarch/Matriarch/Mutual D/s (11/11/2006 10:17:29 PM)

I agree with FirmhandKY.....and to be honest I really don't care for the e-mails I get from submissive men who want to worship the female as superior.   I believe in equality, each having their own power....after all, you can't 'exchange' power with someone who doesn't have any.

quote:

ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY

There are, I think, some pretty good arguments that homo sapiens hasn't settled on either a completely "male dominant" or "female dominant" or "equality" paradigm.  I think the human race is bouncing around (evolutionarily speaking), looking for an ESS (Evolutionary Stable Strategy), with some of both sex's dominant, some of both submissive, and some somewhere in the middle, or leaning one way or the other.

But, regardless of "dominance" it's not about "Superiority" at all.

FirmKY



RiotGirl -> RE: Partriarch/Matriarch/Mutual D/s (11/11/2006 11:07:08 PM)

i used to think that all men were superior to me and i was superior to all wome [:D]

now i'm just sure i'm superior to all [:D]

yes, you may all bow to worship me now.  Only 4 payments of 69.99



ownedgirlie -> RE: Partriarch/Matriarch/Mutual D/s (11/11/2006 11:25:36 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: RiotGirl

i used to think that all men were superior to me and i was superior to all wome [:D]

now i'm just sure i'm superior to all [:D]

yes, you may all bow to worship me now.  Only 4 payments of 69.99



LOL




StacyCat -> RE: Partriarch/Matriarch/Mutual D/s (11/12/2006 12:47:21 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: PiercedDaz

I am genuinely interested in finding out the general consencus on peoples views of the reasons behind D/s.

Do some believe in male superiority? Female superiority? Mutual authority?


Yes, some people believe in it.  Others may believe that the human race came from aliens, or that the earth flooded 4k years ago.  Everyone believes different things.

Men and women are different, both biologically and sociologically.  Yet, we are equals in others.  Why do we come to believe in what we do?  Our socialization is a big part of that.



HarryVanWinkle -> RE: Partriarch/Matriarch/Mutual D/s (11/12/2006 1:00:34 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: PiercedDaz
I am genuinely interested in finding out the general consencus on peoples views of the reasons behind D/s.

Do some believe in male superiority? Female superiority? Mutual authority?

I personally believe in mutual authority but know of two people who genuinely believe in male/female superiority respectively.

I know that this is a very contentious issue that could cause some real disagreements, I'd just like to know your honest personal points of view.

Thanks,

Daz.


I don't believe in female superiority or male superiority in the sense of one being better, of more worth than the other.  I do believe in female supremacy and male supremacy, in the sense of one being the decision maker and boss or owner of the other.  I also believe in mutual authority and in all possible permutations and variations of all of the above.

I believe that what right for one person, or couple, or group is absolutely right... for them.  But, what's right for the Joneses may not, in fact probably won't be, right for the Smiths.  Doesn't make the Joneses or the Smiths wrong.



kyraofMists -> RE: Partriarch/Matriarch/Mutual D/s (11/12/2006 5:19:53 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY

But, regardless of "dominance" it's not about "Superiority" at all.


I agree. 

We each have our own strengths and mine are best exhibited in a relationship through submission and his are best exhibited through dominance.  This does not make me inferior to him, just different.

Knight's kyra



trannysub007 -> RE: Partriarch/Matriarch/Mutual D/s (11/12/2006 5:24:20 AM)

 "I believe in equality, each having their own power....after all, you can't 'exchange' power with someone who doesn't have any."
 
from post #12, MzTlaz
 
i agree completely with this statement. 
 
i think i have a different point of view in that i was raised as a female. Both of my parents were in charge, yet neither was what i would call Dominant. my dad worked out of the house and my mom had her own business at home.  Dad did laundry some of the time and Mom cooked dinner most of the time. There really was an equal sharing of household chores.
As a 'female' i was far superior in many was to the boys in my neighborhood. i could run faster, throw a football better, and get more homework done more neatly in a shorter amount of time than any of them, and they all realized this and had a lot of respect for me because of it.  Until i realized my trans-issues, i did feel that females were better than males simply because i was 'brainwashed' to believe i was female and i had a need to feel good about myself.
Once the reality of being trans - ie of being male with a female body - sunk in, a lot of confusion was cleared up. i have always been attracted to boys/men, so my attraction to gay men finally made sense (though most gay men have no use for me). i could finally let go of my belief than females were superior since i didn't have to prove my 'macho-ness' to anyone. Letting go of superiority allowed me to explore my submissive side, though i do have a lot of limits, ie i would probably not make a good sex slave, though i'd  be a good house-boy, and i give a great massage!
In short [8|] people believe what they believe and behave accordingly. There are a lot of factors that may contribute to being Dominant or submissive, and within those realms a lot of factors contribute to whether one believes anyone else is superior or supreme. (i'm not sure if those are the same or not - i personally think they are different.)
    JMO  david
 
<wondering if he'll have to edit for the usual>

HA!! edited to add the bold stuff. [:D]



Lashra -> RE: Partriarch/Matriarch/Mutual D/s (11/12/2006 7:30:42 AM)

I do not believe either gender is supreme. In my way of looking at things we were put here to help each other to grow and develop into something greater than we are now. We have a lot of growing to do. In my opinion persons who believe in the supremacy of their own gender are fearful of the other gender for reasons only known to them.

~Lashra



MsKatHouston -> RE: Partriarch/Matriarch/Mutual D/s (11/12/2006 8:37:12 AM)

I do not believe in gender based superiority.  Some are and some aren't.  I also agree that superiority is not the same as dominance.  I have relationships that are not equal as far as power is concerned.  But that does not mean I think myself superior to those with whom I am in a relationship.



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