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RE: Cops and tazers.... - 11/8/2006 7:01:46 AM   
MsVictoriaPayne


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My first question would be.. mistoferin, were you there to personally witness this situation ?   If so .. and your account is true and accurate, meaning you witnessed the complete exhcange between the officers involved and the offender tazed....then the officer was in the wrong. 

However, most situations, even eyewitness accounts are skewed.   I've been involved in law enforcement for over 13 years.  I'm always amazed at the "eyewitness" accounts of the situations, and of course, the offenders (even those getting speeding tickets..who know they were speeding, driving wrecklessly, etc)  will still want to argue that they weren't.. even after reviewing the actual video tape of them doing it. 

I'm not saying there aren't a few wrongful officers out there... every occupation has those who excel, those who are immature and pigheaded,  and those who are just there to collect a paycheck. 

My point is, most departments have a strict tazer policy.  Most officers will not jeopordize their careers over a kid refusing to remove his hat.   I find it very hard to believe that ...actually impossible,  that anyone who is in the middle of falling and being tackled could get tazed, now possible he was tazed once he was taken down and was still resisting ... and it had to be more than just "taking off his hat". 

Shooting a tazer is like shooting a gun... the tazer has a laser site.. when the tazer is fired, the wires shoot out where the laser site is pointed (more or less), the officer engaging the tazer would have to be one hell of a shot to actually hit his target while there were so many people standing around, and in the millisecond of being tackled, to actually hit the target.   Just for stat purposes... nationally .. police officers have to qualify once a year in a firearms training...most officers will only hit their "moving" target 33% of the time.  That means out of 10 chances to hit a moving target.. they only hit it 3 times.  

Have there been lethal force by officers with a tazer, yes.   But let's put it into perspective, for every 1000 uses of tazer, there is less than .01% chance it will be lethal, unless the offender has a heart condition or is high on some illegal substance. 

The kindergartener who was tazed, do I agree, no, but if you do your research on the little angel, you'll see the child has a history of violent behavior, with teachers, friends and family.  The child tried to stab the teacher with a pair of scissors.  Now if I'm a responding officer, never having dealt with this child, and I'm being informed this child is extremely violent, has a pair of scissors and had tried to stab the teacher, is on medication for pyschotic episodes.....and I've just come from a traffic stop where an the idiot driver was doing 45 in a 25 and wants to argue with me that I have nothing better to do than harrass him and his driving skills....and this is after finding out that the drug dealer I arrested, that is suspected of killing 3 teen kids over some pocket change, is being released by a Judge on a technicality.... my mind set is .. "I am going home alive today".     After telling the child to put down the scissors numerous times, and 5 adults are trying to get the scissors from the child .... and the child is screaming and lunging trying to stab people .... will I tazer a 5 yoa ?    

Hell yes.

More than likely when the investigation is complete with the student on assignment, you'll find that he ignored numerous orders to 1.  remove his hat 2.  to quit disrupting the meeting and 3. more than likely was being an ass to begin with. 

And just to clarify, for those who are pissed about getting speeding tickets, if the officer had not stopped you for speeding ( yeah, I know .. you weren't really going "that" fast), and you plowed into another car or lost control of your car .. injuring or even killing another driver due to your recklessness, the other driver would be saying " why wasn't there a cop around to stop this guy ?"  

Or this scenario, your child is playing ball in your front yard.. and the 16 yoa neighbor down the street comes "speeding" down your street, loses control and runs over your child ... man.. wouldn't that have been nice if there had been a cop around to "pull him over" .  
The truth is .. if you've been pulled over for speeding.. and you can argue this point with me til  you are blue in the face...and you're pissed about getting a speeding ticket.. I'm betting.. it's not your first time speeding.. it's just the first time you've been caught .. and you'll do it again until you either get cited again .. or you cause an accident.









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RE: Cops and tazers.... - 11/8/2006 7:33:12 AM   
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More than likely when the investigation is complete with the student on assignment, you'll find that he ignored numerous orders to 1.  remove his hat 2.  to quit disrupting the meeting and 3. more than likely was being an ass to begin with.


These assumptions on your part are EXACTLY what was is wrong with law enforcement in this country.

WTF? Is there some law that he must remove his hat? Is there some law stating that he cannot disrupt a public meeting for a political purpose provided he harms no one in doing so? Is there a law against being an ass?

You don't actually know what the real job of public servants is supposed to be do you? "Protect and serve" means that unless a law is being broken then shut up and sit the fuck down. Do not go into "law enforcement" overdrive mode over nothing.


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RE: Cops and tazers.... - 11/8/2006 7:43:52 AM   
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My first question would be.. mistoferin, were you there to personally witness this situation ?  


Nope, silly me, I just relied upon the video accounts that were all over the local news.

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   I find it very hard to believe that ...actually impossible,  that anyone who is in the middle of falling and being tackled could get tazed, now possible he was tazed once he was taken down and was still resisting ... and it had to be more than just "taking off his hat". 


The video was on the news...not Ripley's Believe it or Not.

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  More than likely when the investigation is complete with the student on assignment, you'll find that he ignored numerous orders to 1.  remove his hat 2.  to quit disrupting the meeting and 3. more than likely was being an ass to begin with. 


Well you are right on counts 1 and 3. So, is being an asshole now the qualifier for physical force? If so....there are a whole lot of folks in this world who have an ass kicking coming.

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The kindergartener who was tazed, do I agree, no, but if you do your research on the little angel, you'll see the child has a history of violent behavior, with teachers, friends and family.  The child tried to stab the teacher with a pair of scissors.  Now if I'm a responding officer, never having dealt with this child, and I'm being informed this child is extremely violent, has a pair of scissors and had tried to stab the teacher, is on medication for pyschotic episodes.....and I've just come from a traffic stop where an the idiot driver was doing 45 in a 25 and wants to argue with me that I have nothing better to do than harrass him and his driving skills....and this is after finding out that the drug dealer I arrested, that is suspected of killing 3 teen kids over some pocket change, is being released by a Judge on a technicality.... my mind set is .. "I am going home alive today".     After telling the child to put down the scissors numerous times, and 5 adults are trying to get the scissors from the child .... and the child is screaming and lunging trying to stab people .... will I tazer a 5 yoa ?  


Ok...i am officailly stunned. You would taze a 5 year old? There were several officers and school personnel present. You mean to tell me that none of them could overpower a 40 lb child without resorting to a tazer? Please. I can't imagine the coming of a day that I can't outthink or outmaneuver a small 5 year old child, by myself, without having to use a tazer. As to the rest of your statement, if you are carrying your frustrations and fears from one incident into the next....maybe you should take a closer look at that.

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And just to clarify, for those who are pissed about getting speeding tickets, if the officer had not stopped you for speeding ( yeah, I know .. you weren't really going "that" fast), and you plowed into another car or lost control of your car .. injuring or even killing another driver due to your recklessness, the other driver would be saying " why wasn't there a cop around to stop this guy ?"  


I'm glad you brought this up. I will take this as an opportunity to enlighten you. Sometimes...we really aren't going that fast. I recently was given a citation in the small town that I resided in (population about 1700) by a young officer that we affectionately had dubbed "Robo Cop". We named him so because we could always tell when he was on duty because the flashing lights of his cruiser colorfully lit up the town. The citation was given to me on a curve that led into town that had a posted speed of 25. He stated my speed was 47, which would have been all but impossible considering the icy road conditions and the oversized SUV I was driving at the time. He also did not realize that when he stopped me I was actually following a Sherrif's deputy on a work related matter.

Well I was very polite to the officer and explained to him that I was quite certain that there was a mistake made. He insisted rather rudely that there wasn't and handed me the ticket. I explained to him that I would be going to court with it. He said "Fine...see you there". Two weeks later the court date came. Imagine my surprise to find that there were 17 of us....yes 17!!!....and every single one of us had been issued a citation on the same night, in the same location. All of our supposed speeds were between 43 and 49 miles per hour. But the most amazing part was that we were also all women of approximate age with dark hair. The officer didn't show and the Magistrate seeing the obvious coincidences urged us to file a complaint with our local Chief of Police...which we did. Officer Robo Cop is no longer employed there.

As I stated, I have a great respect for Police Officers. I don't envy their positions in the slightest. I have had the opportunity to work very closely with them in my position as a Domestic Violence Counselor. I am also related to a good number of them. But a badge doesn't give a person integrity or prove outstanding character. There are some bad apples in the bunch.

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RE: Cops and tazers.... - 11/8/2006 8:05:38 AM   
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Last night a 22 year old student was tazed by a police officer at our local city council meeting because he refused to take off his baseball hat.

A few months ago I read about a frail and elderly woman who was at a police station to clear up some traffic citations and was tazed multiple times.

Prior to that I saw a story on the news about a kindergarten student who was tazed for being "out of control".

Are these types of storied upsetting to you?


Hi Erin....

I could write twenty paragraphs on cops. But I'll just say there's way to many of them. I've never needed a ''cop'' for a problem I could have taken care of myself.

But I see the district attorney / grand jury process as way more of a problem than the cops.



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Hey UR, I hear some hard knocks in this post. Been there myself,  100% understood.

As they say living well is the best revenge,. so my wish for you is to live well- as I am today,

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Nah... Actually here in Oregon I've never met or come in contact with a cop I didn't like. I sponsor their softball and city league basketball teams. And three of my employees are married to cops. I see and talk to them every day - They're very mild and easygoing here.

My problem is more focused on the fiscal nature of law enforcement and the overall ''police state'' mentality that's been fostered over the last 6 - 8 years. Even the cop friends I have talk about how the ''homeland security'' directives /memos are just ridiculous

And as I mentioned....the grand jury / oversight /review mechanism for cops is completely biased and wrought with a ''everyone is a bad guy until proven otherwise'' mentality. Cops don’t create policy, that’s a job for politicians and overzealous bureaucrats.



 - R


Edited to add :  The cops in Cali are whole different ball game - They feel more like a military formation than the Andy Griffith types we have up here.



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RE: Cops and tazers.... - 11/8/2006 8:08:36 AM   
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Coming from a place where they arrested a 7 yo for eating a french fry on Metro though...not too shocking.

The good news is what you're doing- getting the word out.  Things like this ARE getting attention and ARE being examined closely (one can hope by the people who will ultimately judge the penalty). 

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RE: Cops and tazers.... - 11/8/2006 8:47:57 AM   
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Status: offline 		"maybe the question should be asked, where is the respect for authority? Why didn't he remove the hat as he was asked....i see the problem as being a lack of respect for authority"

......maybe if authority wasn't routinely misused then it would be easier to respect it. There is an old adage, respect is earned. Once we go down the line where authority is respected merely because it is authority, then we are that much closer to fascism.

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RE: Cops and tazers.... - 11/8/2006 8:50:30 AM   
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Status: offline 		OH, how I would LOVE to relate my all time best law enforcement story, but I can't do it here.  But the speeding tickets issue is a good one to relate to.  Our daughter was 17 and drove and bright red 2 seater convertable sports car that she and her Dad rebuilt together. So she was a rolling target for law enforcement, but her best bogus ticket was this ... She came home one day with a ticket for speeding (36 in a 25- wow!) and failure to stop (she was entering a country road from an empty parking lot she had used to turn around in and she admitted she "rolled the stop" - there  was NO stop sign, it was just the fact of a parking lot entering a roadway, but in someplaces a yeild is all that is required.  I drove the road where she got the ticket and the POSTED speed limit was 35, and she was ticketed for going 36!  Turns out the cop had jumped the gun, so to speak, the speed limit had been reduced on that part of the road BUT it had not yet been posted!  I went with her to court and when I stood up with her and showed the judge a dated photo of the speed limit sign he asked how many others in court that day had the same ticket on the same road.  We got over 30 tickets tossed.  And I will not even tell you some of the things the policeman said to her and to me outside!

I know not all are bad apples, but those that are sure do ruin their reputation! 

And as for the 5 year old ... our son had some similar medical problems when he was quite young and we were taught how to subdue him with minimal risk to ourselves and to him, as well as to others around us.  It is not that difficult and if law enforcement oficers are taught to use tazers (or guns) when there are other ways to solve a problem, then they need to reevaluate the training they are getting!  If it was my son, the entire law enforcement community would be a heap o'hot water!

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RE: Cops and tazers.... - 11/8/2006 10:19:14 AM   
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She came home one day with a ticket for speeding (36 in a 25- wow!)
  Need I say more .. she was speeding .. and yet you are still amazed that there was a ticket issued.

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and failure to stop (she was entering a country road from an empty parking lot she had used to turn around in and she admitted she "rolled the stop" - there was NO stop sign, it was just the fact of a parking lot entering a roadway, but in someplaces a yeild is all that is required.
   I'm not sure about your state .. but most states during driver training and with state law.. you are REQURIED to come to a complete stop before entering any roadway, even if there is no sign posted.   So she admitted to breaking the law .. and you're still ok with that.

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I drove the road where she got the ticket and the POSTED speed limit was 35, and she was ticketed for going 36! Turns out the cop had jumped the gun, so to speak, the speed limit had been reduced on that part of the road BUT it had not yet been posted!
So, let me get this part straight... the police department was informed by the state legislature that the speed limit was to be reduced, but because the department of transportation or city road crew, who ever the case may be, hadn't done their job yet... the officer is at fault ?    How does a cop jump the gun ?  He gets his information from superiors .. and follows orders.  

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I know not all are bad apples, but those that are sure do ruin their reputation!
  I stated this point earlier .. yes.. there are some that do ruin it for all.

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And as for the 5 year old ... our son had some similar medical problems when he was quite young and we were taught how to subdue him with minimal risk to ourselves and to him, as well as to others around us. It is not that difficult and if law enforcement oficers are taught to use tazers (or guns) when there are other ways to solve a problem, then they need to reevaluate the training they are getting! If it was my son, the entire law enforcement community would be a heap o'hot water!

Great point !!!   You, as parents were trained to deal in a non violent way to deal with your own child, someone you loved, fed and nutured and knew his background.  You were not a stranger called in to respond to a psychotic violent child who was slashing scissors about ... Perhaps if the school had received proper training on how to deal with the child, Perhaps if the parents had done more..say ... instead of trying to mainstream the child ... place the child in a proper class room setting .. monitored the meds properly .. Perhaps none of this would have happened.     




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RE: Cops and tazers.... - 11/8/2006 10:21:24 AM   
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More than likely when the investigation is complete with the student on assignment, you'll find that he ignored numerous orders to 1.  remove his hat 2.  to quit disrupting the meeting and 3. more than likely was being an ass to begin with.


These assumptions on your part are EXACTLY what was is wrong with law enforcement in this country.

WTF? Is there some law that he must remove his hat? Is there some law stating that he cannot disrupt a public meeting for a political purpose provided he harms no one in doing so? Is there a law against being an ass?

You don't actually know what the real job of public servants is supposed to be do you? "Protect and serve" means that unless a law is being broken then shut up and sit the fuck down. Do not go into "law enforcement" overdrive mode over nothing.


I don't know if that specific town has laws against any of those issues.  "Protect and Serve" means for everyone involved, not just the select few who use it to hide behind and bitch about.   

and Please by all means, define  Public Servant for me ....




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RE: Cops and tazers.... - 11/8/2006 10:27:52 AM   
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Ok...i am officailly stunned. You would taze a 5 year old? There were several officers and school personnel present. You mean to tell me that none of them could overpower a 40 lb child without resorting to a tazer? Please. I can't imagine the coming of a day that I can't outthink or outmaneuver a small 5 year old child, by myself, without having to use a tazer. As to the rest of your statement, if you are carrying your frustrations and fears from one incident into the next....maybe you should take a closer look at that.
 

Please, tell me how you would have outmaneuver the child with scissors ?   Since none of the other 8 adults who were at the scene could ?   

So what you're saying is .. police officers aren't allowed to be human by carrying around they're frustrations or fears ?    You are so frustrated by my comments, you felt the need to post again.   Police officers are humans, they probably care more than most people do .. or they wouldn't be doing the job they do.  

And yes, being an ass, being out of line, disrupting a meeting, can be a precursor to physical force. 

And I wasn't slamming you by asking if you were there in person... I was honestly curious if you were an actual eyewitness to the event.   Valid question. 

The news videos... hmmm .. yeah .. I trust those.... name one media outlet that doesn't misquote, misuse or "edit" word and video to sensationalize the story ?    It wouldn't have been news if the young man .. would have taken off his hat .. or followed instruction.  It wouldn't have been news if he hadn't been tazered and the officer(s) just threw him to the ground and carried him out.   It wouldn't have been news, had the young man not kicked the police chief.  

I'm not slamming you, mistoferin.  It was merely an honest question.  Were you there to witness the entire event. 


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RE: Cops and tazers.... - 11/8/2006 10:43:33 AM   
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Honestly, I have worked with disturbed and violent children....and with disturbed and violent adults. Yup there have been occasions where you have to get right into the middle of the mix. Odd thing though, I've never had need for a tazer to de-escalate a situation. I tried to look at you're profile to see where your from....to no avail. I can only hope that you are far from me as if you can truly not fathom a way to disarm a 40 lb child, I would certainly not wish to rely upon your skill should I ever need police assistance to deal with a violently aggressive, adult sized intruder.

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RE: Cops and tazers.... - 11/8/2006 10:49:33 AM   
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Status: offline 		"And yes, being an ass, being out of line, disrupting a meeting, can be a precursor to physical force."

...but making the assumption that it necessarily is a precursor is a flawed argument. As to using a tazer on a 5 year old child......i too have worked with highly disturbed young people and i have never felt the need to use such a degree of force.
Is it possible that those who work in law enforcement become so desensitised to challenging behaviour that they make become defensive and make too early a decision to use force?

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RE: Cops and tazers.... - 11/8/2006 5:14:16 PM   
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Police officers are humans, they probably care more than most people do .. or they wouldn't be doing the job they do.  


So if this is always true, after I got robbed in 2004, where the thiefs left dirty finger prints all over my apt....and even at my request refused to take the finger prints and then never returned my calls on how they were progressing in the investigation....yes Im sure they cared about two poor college students that had everything remotely of value stolen from them....

This police mentality bothers me....why don't they save the "getting physical" when it really matters, with thieves, with rioters out of control? Not with a teenager who doesn't take off his cap....

I am not one of those who argues when I get a ticket...If caught speeding (I hardly ever do it on purpose), I usually acknowledge, yet I still get crap for it with little attitude instead of the politeness I have experienced so far very rarely.

As you rightly state, they are human beings, and as such can be extremely rude, anal and overly harsh.

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RE: Cops and tazers.... - 11/8/2006 5:37:51 PM   
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Status: offline 		I have been harassed by cops, threatened when doing nothing wrong, when being very cooperative, but never at any time I have needed police help have I ever gotten it in any area I have lived in in my life. I was backed into by an 18 wheeler at a stop light..the responding officer said if he took my statement he would have to ticket me as well, but never said what he'd ticket me for and that nothing would be done about the driver in the 18 wheeler hitting and damaging the front end of my little truck. My home was broken into more than once and never did any officer take finger prints nor was a case ever started on any of them and yet I filled out full reports on what was missing and the time space it had to have occured in each time as well as the obvious points of entry for the break ins. I was physically assaulted by someone and filled out a report and stated yes I was pressing charges...nothing ever done. That's just a few of the incidents. There are more. Time after time same thing. None cared at all. In my experience the bad cops have by far outnumbered the good ones. I can count on 3 fingers the actual decent cops I have dealt with in my life and that's pretty pathetic.

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RE: Cops and tazers.... - 11/8/2006 9:23:35 PM   
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Honestly, I have worked with disturbed and violent children....and with disturbed and violent adults. Yup there have been occasions where you have to get right into the middle of the mix.


Again... tell me how you handle those violent children ?    How do you take the scissors away from those children ?    You are the expert, yes ?   So tell me .. with all your wordly training .. how you disarm a 5 yoa mentally disturbed child lunging with scissors ? 

And when you've gotten in the middle of the mix... you escaped unharmed how ?   how many others did it take to assist you ?



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RE: Cops and tazers.... - 11/8/2006 9:30:41 PM   
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I have been harassed by cops,
  How so ?  what was the harrasment over ?


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My home was broken into more than once and never did any officer take finger prints nor was a case ever started on any of them and yet I filled out full reports on what was missing and the time space it had to have occured in each time as well as the obvious points of entry for the break ins.

Now my question would be .... so no one from the detective bureau called to arrange to come out to interview you ?  to discuss the case ?   and you didn't call and complain why ?

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I was physically assaulted by someone and filled out a report and stated yes I was pressing charges...nothing ever done.
 
Ok.. you said you would press charges ... did you ?   Did you press charges, and show up for the court dates ?   or did you merely get pissed because the officers didn't do it for you.   Assault, unless it's an on view citation is always initiated by the reporting party.   If the reporting party, does NOT press charges, does NOT follow through with the report dates... then ... there is NO crime, because there is NO victim per the LAW... not the officers opinion.    And again.. I will be presumptious... I'm quite sure you knew the offender... and for whatever your reason... YOU decided not to press charges.. and would rather blame the police.  

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That's just a few of the incidents. There are more.
  Wow ... how many times have you had the police involved ?     Just curious..

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I can count on 3 fingers the actual decent cops I have dealt with in my life and that's pretty pathetic.


But you'd rather not talk about those times as compared to the other times ?  



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RE: Cops and tazers.... - 11/8/2006 9:40:31 PM   
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MasterKalif...................So if this is always true, after I got robbed in 2004, where the thiefs left dirty finger prints all over my apt....and even at my request refused to take the finger prints


Ok, let me explain the difference first..    Burglary is when someone forcible enters your residence (structure, 4 walls, ceiling, etc) and steal objects from with in that structure.  Robbery .. is ... an offender forcibly either by weapon or strong arm, takes objects from your person at the threat or intent of threat. 

so... you weren't robbed .. your residence was burglarized.  Secondly .. it they refused to take prints.. why did you not call and complain ?    what were the reasons for them refusing?

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and then never returned my calls on how they were progressing in the investigation.
 

How could they return a call to you about the progression if there was never a progression as you mentioned ?   What progress could be made if NO finger prints were taken when they refused ?   What would "progress" be ?
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This police mentality bothers me....why don't they save the "getting physical" when it really matters, with thieves, with rioters out of control?  
 

Hmm when they do get physical with thieves and rioters... everyone still complains ..


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I am not one of those who argues when I get a ticket...If caught speeding (I hardly ever do it on purpose), I usually acknowledge, yet I still get crap for it with little attitude instead of the politeness I have experienced so far very rarely.

As you rightly state, they are human beings, and as such can be extremely rude, anal and overly harsh.

I'm thankful you admit you deserved a ticket... and are honest enough to admit  it, so stop speeding.

yes, all humans can be rude, anal and harsh.... and I'm sure if you had to deal with them on a daily basis...you'd be just a tad bit jaded, cocky and cautious.




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RE: Cops and tazers.... - 11/9/2006 12:00:32 AM   
NeedToUseYou


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You're arguing over proper classification of the crime. Does that really matter? The fact is some came in his house took his stuff, and the cops didn't do shit. And your answer is why didn't you call them up and complain? LOL. Isn't that their job. Why should you have to force them to do their job. I was burglarized when I was a kid and you know what they did nothing to. Stole my Nintendo, bastards. Cops came looked all grumpy that they were even called, and left.  LOL, I respect that.

Good grief. 



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RE: Cops and tazers.... - 11/9/2006 12:41:27 AM   
Zensee


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Lets hope his second try successfully sterilised him.
http://www.kontraband.com/show/show.asp?ID=2723&CAT=homemov&NSFW=0&rtn=search-2723&Keywords=taser

Kids, booze and stun guns... "Gee. I wonder if using this near the heart or the central nervous system is dangerous?"
http://www.kontraband.com/show/show.asp?ID=4889&CAT=movies&NSFW=4&rtn=search-4889&Keywords=taser&nsfwfs=yes

And just to bring the post sort of back on topic...
http://www.kontraband.com/show/show.asp?ID=2103&CAT=movies&NSFW=0&rtn=search-2103&Keywords=taser

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RE: Cops and tazers.... - 11/9/2006 5:23:54 AM   
SweetSarijane


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ORIGINAL: MsVictoriaPayne

How so ?  what was the harrasment over ? 
Apparently cop boredom as near as I can figure.



Now my question would be .... so no one from the detective bureau called to arrange to come out to interview you ?  to discuss the case ?   and you didn't call and complain why ? 
No no one did. I filled out the reports as I said with the officers who came to my home after my call reporting the break ins each time. There was no case when I called to check on it and I was told each time by the officer responding that there was nothing they could do and it was doubtful they would catch the perpetrators. I did my part, they didn't do anything except take a report. My word against a cops wasn't taken when I followed up and I was told to drop it. Such a shame that a law abiding citizen is treated such.

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I was physically assaulted by someone and filled out a report and stated yes I was pressing charges...nothing ever done.
 
Ok.. you said you would press charges ... did you ?   Did you press charges, and show up for the court dates ?   or did you merely get pissed because the officers didn't do it for you.   Assault, unless it's an on view citation is always initiated by the reporting party.   If the reporting party, does NOT press charges, does NOT follow through with the report dates... then ... there is NO crime, because there is NO victim per the LAW... not the officers opinion.    And again.. I will be presumptious... I'm quite sure you knew the offender... and for whatever your reason... YOU decided not to press charges.. and would rather blame the police. 

I pressed charges, I followed up. I did all I was supposed to do. Do not make presumptions when you do not know me. Maybe in your fantasy world all cops are wonderful, but face reality please. I know without a shadow of a doubt just how corrupt many are. I acknowledged that I knew a few who were good. I speak from personal experience of the good and the bad. The bad simply far outweighs the good in my experiences.

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That's just a few of the incidents. There are more.
  Wow ... how many times have you had the police involved ?     Just curious..

More times than I can count.

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I can count on 3 fingers the actual decent cops I have dealt with in my life and that's pretty pathetic.


But you'd rather not talk about those times as compared to the other times ?  

Oh, so you want to hear the good encounters huh....please open a new thread to deal with that as this thread deals with the other side of the coin.




In the areas I have lived, at least 4 departments have been investigated and cleaned out due to corruption and abuse of power. In one area the corruption went higher than the police, it went all the way to the mayor of that small town.

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