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LadyEllen -> RE: Tattooing a Killer (10/31/2006 9:28:53 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Solaise

The tattoo reads: Katie's Revenge, and the convict that did it was the little girl's cousin. Did the authorities turn the other way? These two men were housed in the same cell block together. The thing that bugs me about this is that they did set these two men up for a little jail house 'justice', and knowingly took advantage of one man's familial rage to do it. He will be charged with the 'crime', and that will undoubtably add significant time to his sentence.


I wonder what the tattooist should now have marked on his forehead? He committed a violent assault occasioning permanent scarring, after all. And what about the prison officers who enabled this to happen? Conspiracy, acts preparatory to an offence, commissioning an offence etc - what tattoo do they get?

The guy who was tattooed is a monster, no doubt there. But as a society we make laws which hold such people to account, through a representative democracy. There is nothing in the law which permits or condones this sort of thing, and in fact there are laws which forbid it. Whilst we could say the guy deserved it, in fact by majority agreement via our representative democracy, it is clear that this treatment was illegal and is subject to prosecution.

If on the other hand we wish to make a law to permit and condone this sort of thing, then we can write our representative about it, and subject to majority agreement it would be OK. We could even have a law which said it was OK to punish offenders over and over again, even though we already issued judgement and sentence. Hey, we could even abandon the double jeopardy rule as we have in UK, and try people over and over until we get the "right" result.

We could even throw out habeas corpus, detain people without trial, torture them and deny them all rights.

The point is, we have these laws and rules in place for a reason, and its a dangerous road to go down when we start making exceptions, even for the brutal rapist of a small child.

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MstrJohnJ -> RE: Tattooing a Killer (10/31/2006 10:34:20 AM)

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ORIGINAL: SlaveAkasha


I saw something like this in a movie once, that I believe was based on a true story, but I am not positive.  This guy brutually raped a woman, and then someone tattooed "Rapist" on his forehead. 

Kasha


That would prob be Prey for Rock & Roll
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0307351/



gooddogbenji -> RE: Tattooing a Killer (10/31/2006 10:44:10 AM)

I'm the first to agree with the "kill 'em all" philosophy, but a prison system which creates a vicious cycle only creates more crime.

Either make it impossible to commit another crime or help them on a road to betterment, but don't make it betterment impossible and help them commit another crime.

Yours,


benji



SissySean -> RE: Tattooing a Killer (10/31/2006 11:10:01 AM)

Death penalty = never commit another crime.



LadyEllen -> RE: Tattooing a Killer (10/31/2006 11:11:16 AM)

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ORIGINAL: SissySean

Death penalty = never commit another crime.


Justice system = imperfect

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SissySean -> RE: Tattooing a Killer (10/31/2006 11:31:23 AM)

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ORIGINAL: LadyEllen

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ORIGINAL: SissySean

Death penalty = never commit another crime.


Justice system = imperfect

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Punishment should = Crime



ToGiveDivine -> RE: Tattooing a Killer (10/31/2006 11:31:30 AM)

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ORIGINAL: LadyEllen

quote:

ORIGINAL: SissySean

Death penalty = never commit another crime.


Justice system = imperfect

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Masturbation = Washing Hands ;-)



LadyEllen -> RE: Tattooing a Killer (10/31/2006 11:48:30 AM)

If punishment = crime

then punishment must be prosecuted, as it is a crime?

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SissySean -> RE: Tattooing a Killer (10/31/2006 11:51:14 AM)

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ORIGINAL: LadyEllen

If punishment = crime

then punishment must be prosecuted, as it is a crime?

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With that logic, any form of punishment would have to be prosecuted.



LadyEllen -> RE: Tattooing a Killer (10/31/2006 12:42:38 PM)

Exactly Sean!

Punishment cannot = crime, without punishment becoming a crime in itself.

But punishment does not need to = crime, either

Punishment must be related to the crime, and must be > the crime, without itself becoming a crime. A death sentence is a comparatively easy out, IMO for the guilty, and plain wrong for those wrongly convicted.

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ShyMistress -> RE: Tattooing a Killer (10/31/2006 2:00:24 PM)

I am not sure how to get the quote box but am replying to Philosopher's comment:

"If you want to work on prevention, focus on making sure kids have a safe upbringing with good role models. Focus on early detection and treatment of mental problems. "

I would like to point out that though early detection IS very prevelant to stopping some of these horrible events from happening, the key is having it detected appropriately and treated for what the problem is. Some offenders unfortunately do suffer from various medical "illnessness" that they have no control over. If, however, they are on proper medication accompanied by therapy tailored to their dysfunction they are often just as horrified at their crimes as the rest of the world.

I know of a child who at the age of 7 was taught a "game" by a child younger then him. This game was sexually explicit, and due to this child's own medical problems (various mental disorders) he hyper-focused on the behavior and started in on his little sister(was caught trying to be forceful with kissing her and was trying to talk her out of her clothes). In the end the mother had to have this child removed from her home and care as he could not stop trying to use this behavior on his sister (he was basically under 24hr watch by the parents). The child's psychiatrists slammed the label "pedophile" on him and placed him in a specialized group home where he lives with an alarm on his room door and needs permission/supervision to use the bathroom. This means that for THE REST OF HIS LIFE this boy (one day man) would have to answer for crimes not yet committed. This label would possibly keep him out of different types of careers and possibly affect future relationships and lifestyle choices. I felt bad for this family as they tried valiantly to find out why their child was obsessing this.

Now (3 yrs later) a new team of specialists have determined that this child is suffering from NO sexual deviances at all. This label thankfully will more then likely be removed as they find his true problems and fix them. As he heals the family hopes he may return. This child almost grew up in a system that doesn't really care, and almost had to live the life of someone who is a sexual criminal because of behaviors displayed and misinterepted at the age of 7. So yes, sometimes it can be preventable. Unfortunately though...it sometimes can't. When a deviant slips through the cracks of society (which often happens) and remains untreated it only leads to overwhelming them.

On a side note: My personal opinion on the original topic is that if there is even a shred of a doubt as to their guilt the person should not suffer until this doubt is resolved. In the case of undeniable solid guilt...then let the buggers get what they gave!



LadyEllen -> RE: Tattooing a Killer (10/31/2006 2:06:20 PM)

Shy - click on the "Quote" button for the post you want to quote

This will put the entire post into your post. Its often a good idea to delete those parts of the post you dont want for your reference, as it otherwise takes up loads of space!

Try it out on this post if you like.

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ShyMistress -> RE: Tattooing a Killer (10/31/2006 2:25:56 PM)

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ORIGINAL: LadyEllen

Try it out on this post if you like.

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LOL...thanx LadyEllen [:D]



LadyEllen -> RE: Tattooing a Killer (10/31/2006 2:27:48 PM)

No probs!

Now, onto the mysteries of the Edit button.........!

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gooddogbenji -> RE: Tattooing a Killer (10/31/2006 2:31:04 PM)

What do you mean?

Yours,


benji

Edited to add:  Oh.



LadyEllen -> RE: Tattooing a Killer (10/31/2006 2:33:35 PM)

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ORIGINAL: gooddogbenji

What do you mean?

Yours,


benji

Edited to add:  Oh.


3534 posts and you tell us the edit, before you do the edit?

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edited, for the sake of editing, tomorrow



gooddogbenji -> RE: Tattooing a Killer (10/31/2006 2:38:23 PM)

I don't know what you're talking about.

Liar.

Tramp.

Yours,


benji

Edited to add:  Bitch.



LadyEllen -> RE: Tattooing a Killer (10/31/2006 2:41:21 PM)

Thanks Benji - I like the idea of being a bitch and a tramp, and I'm not lying.... or am I?

Anyway, of course you dont know what I'm talking about - even I dont know what I'm talking about!

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edited last Wednesday, but then reposted under a different ID



gooddogbenji -> RE: Tattooing a Killer (10/31/2006 2:42:15 PM)

Seriously, don't call me gay.

Yours,


benji



LadyEllen -> RE: Tattooing a Killer (10/31/2006 2:45:46 PM)

Look, I didnt do the edit yet!

I'll edit it to say youre gay about a month from now when youre not paying attention any more OK?

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