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ExSteelAgain -> RE: Is what we say actually what we mean? (10/28/2006 4:05:57 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LordODiscipline If someone asks for a "glass of water" - iontending that a glass of water be delivered to them for imbibing, then it is effective communication... no matter what the translation possibilities are - the communication delivered the intended message whether through a colloquial filter of the speakers perceptional statement and/or the listeners filter of circumstantial placement and has to be considered to be sufficiant. The paradigm of realizing that you are using your socialization and cultural knowledge and indoing so defying standard language skills is your realization that communication might be more effective when it is not formalized, but rather losely biased to meet the local norms in order that it be understood there, rather than in a classroom or idealized situation... Just so, if I were to travel to the south or the west of the US or to points outside, I adopt local language and expression in order that they do not confuse me for an out of towner no matter where I am from or at, do not confuse the message, and do not lose the message in the deciphering of what I said as related to what I meant. It is something well noted about humans, who (for the most part) do this automatically in order to communicate more effectively and completely to people who may not be familiar with their dialect and/or expressions. ~J This sums it up well for me. I deal in an area where precise communications are critical. I also instruct others at times and when they say anything slightly out of the norm, I tell them not to. It may be the most grammatically correct, brilliant and witty observation, but if it only makes those you are speaking with slightly confused, don't say it. Say it the way others do and it will be received the right way. PS...I will add this after thinking a bit more. There were undercurrents at play when you asked for the glass of water. Ritual, were the other diners blue collar, flirting, personality and other factors contributed to the way you said it.

polyandry -> RE: Is what we say actually what we mean? (10/28/2006 4:31:51 AM)
Oh, and I hate when someone claims that their definition of a word is the correct one. I don't believe that the dictionary definition is IT (the definitive and only definition) either. Even dictionaries evolve and there are many dictionaries. I love the concept of UrbanDictionary.

gypsygrl -> RE: Is what we say actually what we mean? (10/28/2006 4:33:18 AM)
Omg! The urban dictionary rocks!

eyesopened -> RE: Is what we say actually what we mean? (10/28/2006 5:47:42 AM)
Some people get caught up in semantics and some of us are Anti-Semantic

patina -> RE: Is what we say actually what we mean? (10/28/2006 8:32:21 AM)
Add to that a brain injury that makes you think you said or wrote one thing but it was actually something else. It can get really frustrating at times. There are a lot of spelling errors as my comp won't download the spell check program right. I try to proof read it but I just keep seeing it the correct way even though it is wrong. Add to that I am dyslexia it is really fun. I have learned to compensate for most of my shortcommings. At least I have a good sense of humor most of the time about them. I go through skads of post it notes though. There was a study done on communication I will try to find it and will post a small part of it how the human brain can fill in missing or incorrect pieces of words to complete a sentence. I think we can do the same thing with the vocal one too. Patina

sophia37 -> RE: Is what we say actually what we mean? (10/28/2006 2:37:57 PM)
Good communication takes patience. And its difficult to get someone who is a poor communicater, to understand that they need to communicate more effectively. The poor communicaters in my family become impatient and annoyed when others ask them to repeat what they have just said. I think it causes a lot of problems. You cant force someone to examine their communication style. And trying to get that message through in one way then another, just becomes exhausting. So I try to make myself as easily understood as possible through self awareness and patience. I give up trying to fix the rest of the world.

KnightofMists -> RE: Is what we say actually what we mean? (10/28/2006 2:42:00 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: patina There was a study done on communication I will try to find it and will post a small part of it how the human brain can fill in missing or incorrect pieces of words to complete a sentence. I think we can do the same thing with the vocal one too. Patina I would be interested in seeing the complete study... if you could send me a email of it or post a link to it.

polyandry -> RE: Is what we say actually what we mean? (10/28/2006 4:29:39 PM)
There's this study about jumbled up words: http://www.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk/~mattd/Cmabrigde/

angelspassion4u -> RE: Is what we say actually what we mean? (10/28/2006 4:34:03 PM)
Aoccdrnig to a rscheearch at Cmabrigde Uinervtisy, it deosn't mttaer in waht oredr the ltteers in a wrod are, the olny iprmoetnt tihng is taht the frist and lsat ltteer be at the rghit pclae. The rset can be a total mses and you can sitll raed it wouthit porbelm. Tihs is bcuseae the huamn mnid deos not raed ervey lteter by istlef, but the wrod as a wlohe. amzanig huh? Is this what you mean?

MstrFury -> RE: Is what we say actually what we mean? (10/28/2006 4:59:59 PM)
KoM...another interesting and very thought provoking post...thank you for putting this out there... pulling my cloak around me and stepping back into the shadows

popeye1250 -> RE: Is what we say actually what we mean? (10/30/2006 9:44:27 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lady Alaria Hmm, to say what you mean, and mean what you say. I tried very hard to achieve this for some time. Eventually I came to the conclusion that generally what I meant lay somewhere between the available words. Or the words I had available to talk about what i meant had the capability of meaning something completely different _as well_ as what I meant. So, eventually I decided that the agage of saying what you mean actually meant very little. Especially when much that you mean to say is somewhat abstract. For me, more effective communication involves an ongoing learning process. More patience in listening. More clarity of speech. More forgiveness of perceived slights, as they may not mean what i think they do. Finding ways to be certain that what I heard was what was meant without, by asking clarification, changing the original message in the mind of the sender. Heisenburg meets communications via subconcious conditioning. Oh, and learning to be more concious of the manner that people are subconciously affected by the manner of my speaking. And more.... Oh and Syn, to add an interesting sidenote, just reading that gave me the creeps. [:D] Lady Alaria, you hit that nail on the head, listening is the most often overlooked part of communication. Many times people "think" they know what you said.

ExSteelAgain -> RE: Is what we say actually what we mean? (10/31/2006 3:35:42 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: eyesopened Some people get caught up in semantics and some of us are Anti-Semantic That was pretty funny and fit perfectly on this thread.

popeye1250 -> RE: Is what we say actually what we mean? (10/31/2006 9:56:18 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ExSteelAgain quote: ORIGINAL: eyesopened Some people get caught up in semantics and some of us are Anti-Semantic That was pretty funny and fit perfectly on this thread. Yup, and some of us are very much self-defacating people.

Dnomyar -> RE: Is what we say actually what we mean? (10/31/2006 9:58:35 AM)
The answer to all of this is very simple. Everyone carry a pocket websters dictionary with them.

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