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maybemaybenot -> RE: NFL Sob (or Brag) Thread (1/18/2011 5:46:09 PM)


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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

.just don't try to seel me on the idea that Bellicheck is above such actions....They are all the same,fighting for each and every edge.....rules and fair play be dammed.Thats why we love to watch !


Like I said, I have no problem admitting to any wrong doing by my team. I do have a problem with a fan of another team, who has a cheating history poking sticks and trying to minimize their issues by saying... BB did it. I also have a problem with the urban legend that we were doing it for years. And that is a general statement, not directed at you.

Yes, it's embarassing. I've just had a few years longer to adjust to it and fine tune my responses. [;)] I still hate the fact that BB did it AFTER being warned. But it doesn't change my respect for him as a coach. And I do understand that it does change others opinions, that's fine.





RapierFugue -> RE: NFL Sob (or Brag) Thread (1/18/2011 5:56:31 PM)


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ORIGINAL: ThatDamnedPanda
I have an original one packed away somewhere


<jealous>

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ORIGINAL: ThatDamnedPanda
I always loved that team, because I was a big Terry Bradshaw fan. My dream matchup would be the Steelers against my beloved Packers.


That's the game I'm rooting for too :)




RapierFugue -> RE: NFL Sob (or Brag) Thread (1/18/2011 6:26:53 PM)


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ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy

The Steelers better do it with turnovers, defense and special teams. If the Jets had Brady and Manning totally confused, Rothlisberger, who is sacked 2-3 times as often as either TB or PM, isnt going to break them. Jets 24 Steelers 16


I can only hope your game calling accuracy is on a par with your political analysis skills. If so, Pittsburgh should win by 49 points.

The Jets didn't "confuse" Brady. They were just very, very competent and highly professional, in terms of almost no-one missing their assigned coverage all game long, marking very tight, pressing at the line far better than they should have been able to, and the Patriots assigned to protect Brady didn't have a good game, to put it mildly.

As for the Steelers, you can't even spell his name correctly - it's Roethlisberger.




KatyLied -> RE: NFL Sob (or Brag) Thread (1/18/2011 6:44:51 PM)

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I can only hope your game calling accuracy is on a par with your political analysis skills. If so, Pittsburgh should win by 49 points.


Toufreakingche




Lordandmaster -> RE: NFL Sob (or Brag) Thread (1/18/2011 7:30:15 PM)

You're kinda being irrational about this, so I won't respond anymore.  Seems like the Patriots and their fans all need a little time to lick their wounds.  If it makes the Patriots feel better to remind themselves that they beat the Packers when they damn near lost to the Packers' backup quarterback, fine with me.  That and a Super Bowl ticket will get them to the Super Bowl.

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ORIGINAL: maybemaybenot

I haven't heard the exit interviews. I can't take your word for the content, since you completely re invented BB's post game interview saying all he did was blame players. Which, of course, he did not. So I will read them myself.

But thank you for the " Jets* perspective ". It's always enlightening.

How's Sal Alosi doing these days ? How about Westhoff ? Is he making any false allegations against any one lately ? Pure class straight outta NY.

And yeah, we are going to have to throw the GB win out the window. The league is changing it to a loss, since we really didn't beat them. I think they did the same thing for any team who won against to the Pat's when Cassell had to take over for Brady. Ditto for Steeler's this year when Ben was on the bench, Dallas, after Romo went down and every other team who has ever lost the QB and had to play the back up. You got me wondering now. How does that work for the Redskins. Does it still count if the starting QB is pulled and they replace him with a back up ? Do those wins get tossed out the window too ? What about when a team rests their starters for the PO's ? Are those games nullified too ?

I think you're onto something, LAM. Any game that a starter is injured in, or can't play in, should not count towards their W/L ratio. Let's call Polian and get him to do some rule changing, that's the ticket.

mbmbn




KatyLied -> RE: NFL Sob (or Brag) Thread (1/19/2011 5:02:24 AM)

LAM, Steelers fans are high on life at this point,.  Looking forward to seeing what Rex & Tomlin do as far as game planning for this match.




RapierFugue -> RE: NFL Sob (or Brag) Thread (1/19/2011 5:36:32 AM)


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ORIGINAL: KatyLied

Steelers fans are high on life at this point


Not all of them.

Some of them are waiting anxiously for their towel to turn up.




Lordandmaster -> RE: NFL Sob (or Brag) Thread (1/19/2011 6:00:31 AM)

Yeah, it's already Wednesday and we haven't had a single scandal all week. So I'm worried. The last time that happened, we lost 45-3.




RapierFugue -> RE: NFL Sob (or Brag) Thread (1/19/2011 6:54:26 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Lordandmaster

Yeah, it's already Wednesday and we haven't had a single scandal all week. So I'm worried. The last time that happened, we lost 45-3.


All it'll take is one headline on ESPN that says "Roethlisberger seen having a quiet night in and reading a good book" and we'll be proper fucked.

PS: I put "Pittsburgh Steelers scandal" into google and got 1,220,000 hits. As a comparison, I did the same with "New England Patriots scandal" and only got 594,000. This scientifically proves* that the Steelers are 205% more evil than the Patriots.

*This statement is a lie, and I think my maths is off, but WTF.




maybemaybenot -> RE: NFL Sob (or Brag) Thread (1/19/2011 7:28:44 AM)

Question for the Jets fans :

Is the lack of * trash talking * by Ryan making you nervous, as fans ?

My thoughts are:

1- Rex has done this all year, his team has responded well to his style. It's worked out for him. Last week was the mother of all *trash talking* and they came out like mad men and wiped the floor with the Pats. The week before, against the Colts, similar, but not as intense but still mopped up the RCA. Each week of the season the talk was a little brasher leading up to the games and now nada. The coach ain't talking and the players ain't talking. < *trash *, that is > I * think * Rex has issued a " nice speak " only to the players in regards to this game. I'm, admittedly superstitious about games, so I would be a tad worried. Not gravely, but a bit.

2-Rex/Jets are so confident about winning this game, they feel they need no extra motivation.

Question for the Steeler's fans :

Are you disappointed that Rex/Jets aren't * trash talking * ? Do you think it is showing more respect for your team than the other teams he has played ?

My thoughts :

1- I think I would be a bit confused. As in " wtf, no *trash talk*.. there's a method to this maddness ".

mbmbn




Jeffff -> RE: NFL Sob (or Brag) Thread (1/19/2011 7:36:43 AM)

If Tomlin benches Wes Welker at the start of the game it could have a negative effect...


The genius in New England hasn't done to well in the post season in recent years. Beating the Pats in the playoffs is not so rare at all anymore.

The rapist is a proven big game QB. Sanchez is not.

The Bears Vs Steelers in Dallas.





RapierFugue -> RE: NFL Sob (or Brag) Thread (1/19/2011 8:01:20 AM)

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ORIGINAL: maybemaybenot
Question for the Steeler's fans :

Are you disappointed that Rex/Jets aren't * trash talking * ? Do you think it is showing more respect for your team than the other teams he has played ?


No I'm not (disappointed). TBH I've always been highly sceptical of that sort of "public psychology"; I reckon the real sports psyche work gets done in private, behind closed doors. There's an excellent book on the subject (in general sports, not just football) that I read about 10 years ago, but I'm buggered if I can recall its title. Basically, it said that the "publicity mouth" was more to drum up support for games, bouts or series from the fans and TV audiences than it was to have a direct effect on the players or staff of the teams concerned.

I don't think the Jets have any more, or less, genuine respect for the Steelers than they have/had for the Patriots (I don't buy that the trash talk was genuine, other than in the sense that they didn't much like the Pats, and presumably don't much like the Steelers either); both are challenging teams to play, and both will require their very best game. What's worrying most (to me at least) is that the Jets’ win over the Patriots wasn't down to a single player, or even brace of players, but more to a highly professional and methodical approach, and near flawless execution, on offence and defence. You don't look at the Jets/Pats game and say "ah yes, Mr X was the guy, he had an outstanding game" (and thus put strategies in place to deal with the person(s) in the upcoming game), it's more that their defence just did an amazingly competent job of sitting on Brady & Co, all game long, without making the kind of mistakes a QB as good as Brady will spot in a split-second, and punish time and again, and their offence went for everything asked of them and got pretty much the lot.

Now you could put the offensive scores down to some good fortune, and certainly the Pats' defence seemed to go missing, especially on the 2nd TD, but looking at the highlights reel it's noticeable that everyone (ETA: everyone on the Jets team I mean) seems to just quietly get on with their job and do it well. If they play that well again on Sunday then all the towels in the world won't help the Steelers. Even great QBs need open receivers, and there were precious few of those for Brady in the Jets/Pats game, and Roethlisberger isn't a vastly better QB than Brady, although I do think (actually I hope) that Ben's mobility will cause the Jets problems; Brady's a stay in the pocket kind of guy, Ben isn't (when he has to move). The problem with the mobility/scrambling thing is it's a double-edged sword; yes it can get a good QB out of trouble if he's fast and can throw on the run (and Roethlisberger can), but it's also a short trip to either a sack or the infirmary if they make even the slightest mistake while trying it. I haven’t seen the Steelers play this season, so what’s the protection for Ben been like this far?

What is really worrying me is the fact it's Wednesday already and Roethlisberger doesn't appear to have sexually assaulted anyone yet. I mean there's still time, but it shows a lack of preparation. Normally he's into at least his 3rd slut by now. I'm concerned the Steeler offensive coach may be slipping bromide into his drinks. Not even a drunken bar brawl, FFS.





maybemaybenot -> RE: NFL Sob (or Brag) Thread (1/19/2011 8:39:50 AM)

Agree with most of your points, RF.

My thought on the trash talk, however, isn't that it has a direct relation to the outcome of the game, but to fire the players up. As has been pointed out, the last time Rex was * quiet/respectful *, his team got beat pretty badly. And I'm not saying the outcome will be the same or that that was the reason. It's just uncharacteristic of how he handles upcoming games. I think it's his personal style< * trash talk * > to get the guys prepared, not in totality, but a part of the total plan. Rex took over a pretty crappy Jets organization, he brought in new players, high quality players, the Jets lived in the Giants shadows for years, Rex changed that. Alot of that has to do with his persona. He put the focus on the Jets with his mouth and his bravado, and has backed it up on the field with his coaching. I'm not taking anything away from his coaching, by saying his mouth is a big motivator.

One thing I did not take into consideration when asking the questions was Goodells' memo about trash talk. Altho I think that was more directed at Bart Scott than it was Ryan. I've never thought Rex crossed any lines.

I know you live in the UK and may not know this.. but you can't point any fingers at Ben for his off field antics, in this game. Sanchez also was arrested for sexual assault when he was in college. Like Ben, nothing ever came of it. But they're evenly split on the sexual assault meter. [;)]

mbmbn




flcouple2009 -> RE: NFL Sob (or Brag) Thread (1/19/2011 8:40:59 AM)

The Jets fans should all just hope that if they win Mr Holmes does not fuck up again till after the Super Bowl.




RapierFugue -> RE: NFL Sob (or Brag) Thread (1/19/2011 9:12:54 AM)


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ORIGINAL: maybemaybenot

Agree with most of your points, RF.

My thought on the trash talk, however, isn't that it has a direct relation to the outcome of the game, but to fire the players up. As has been pointed out, the last time Rex was * quiet/respectful *, his team got beat pretty badly. And I'm not saying the outcome will be the same or that that was the reason. It's just uncharacteristic of how he handles upcoming games. I think it's his personal style< * trash talk * > to get the guys prepared, not in totality, but a part of the total plan. Rex took over a pretty crappy Jets organization, he brought in new players, high quality players, the Jets lived in the Giants shadows for years, Rex changed that. Alot of that has to do with his persona. He put the focus on the Jets with his mouth and his bravado, and has backed it up on the field with his coaching. I'm not taking anything away from his coaching, by saying his mouth is a big motivator.


The thing is, one can't always predict how players will react. The “rev them up and let them loose” theory only holds true if revving them up always makes good things happen. It doesn't always work that way; I've seen games where one team is clearly desperately trying to make it happen, but their degree of enthusiasm is actually making them make unforced errors. Or, worse, make them too aggressive, and you end up getting flags all over the field, incurring penalties, and losing yardage left, right and centre.

Then there’s the effect on what happens if things don’t go to plan. If you've whipped your team into a fever pitch of excitement and aggression and they score first, and stop the subsequent drive, then great, it’s all going to plan. But what if that doesn't happen? What if Team B hold your first few drives and score one or two themselves? Now you've dug yourself a huge hole; a more circumspect and methodical coach will stand there at half time and say “ok guys, we screwed the pooch on quarters one and two, but we all know what went wrong, so let’s get out there, change X, Y and Z, and take it to them!” – in other words, you've got somewhere to go. If you've already got them champing at the bit then what have you got left in the tank? Little or nothing. They’ll feel (from a psychological POV) like they've done everything they can, and still come up short.

Football is, as crazy as this sounds, a game of controlled aggression, and discipline wins games. I wouldn’t read anything into trash-talk, or a lack of it, other than maybe the coaches have run out of nasty things to say to one another.

On the other side of the coin, what if your players aren’t up for a game? Then you'll probably lose. So there's a balance and a tightrope, which only a good coach knows how to walk consistently without making a monkey of themselves. Thus I don't generally pay much attention to talk of this or that – I think most coaches probably say very similar things to their teams, in private, on Week One than they do Pre-Superbowl – tactics, players to watch, plays to go for it on, then get them geed up and send them out.

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ORIGINAL: maybemaybenot

I know you live in the UK and may not know this.. but you can't point any fingers at Ben for his off field antics, in this game. Sanchez also was arrested for sexual assault when he was in college. Like Ben, nothing ever came of it. But they're evenly split on the sexual assault meter. [;)]



Damn. I wanted to believe we led the league in at least one offensive (geddit!) category.

PS: I've been reviewing some of the various incidents online today and the thing that stands out is how shocked people appear to be that, if you give young, testosterone-filled men shedloads of money, more respect than they're entitled to for their fairly meagre life achievements to date, encourage them to lead a champagne and slut lifestyle, and give them a bucket-load of hangers on, bodyguards and associated troublemakers to hang out with, they then go out and start throwing their weight and their todgers around! Who’d have thought it? Well dur ... we’ve had similar situations with soccer players here for years, and until the media and society in general stop treating as "special" cocky young idiots whose only remarkable “qualities” are simply the ability to bung a bit of pigskin around on a Sunday you're going to have it happen time and again.

The problem is there's nothing much one can do about it – these guys are entitled to a share of the wealth in the game, and a right to be protected from the kind of intrusion and hassle their celebrity status brings, and since it’s the relative poverty of old-time players and their connection with their public (through association with “regular guys”) that kept them humble it’s unlikely to be reversed anytime soon. And unfortunately, money does give richer people the ability to, in most cases, duck around legal issues that would see the likes of thee or me locked up.





KatyLied -> RE: NFL Sob (or Brag) Thread (1/20/2011 3:21:44 AM)

I read brief transcripts of the pressers yesterday.  It was a love-fest.  Holmes wants to have Polamalu's love child.  Dunno what's going on with the Jets.  There was so much mutual love going on it was awkward.




RapierFugue -> RE: NFL Sob (or Brag) Thread (1/20/2011 3:41:32 AM)


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ORIGINAL: KatyLied

I read brief transcripts of the pressers yesterday. 


Do you mind me asking where your info comes from? Only we're left without much in the way of good stuff in the UK, from what I've seen thus far, so what are the sites or RSS feeds you go to for your info? Assuming it's in the public domain of course, and you're not getting inside info :)

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ORIGINAL: KatyLied
It was a love-fest.  Holmes wants to have Polamalu's love child.  Dunno what's going on with the Jets.  There was so much mutual love going on it was awkward.


It may just be that he doesn't want his former team-mates to do the fandango on his face come Sunday :)

I found this on a google search and it smacks to me of "I've seen what this guy can do from the sidelines and I want to live dear lord please don't hurt me now".

http://www.liveoddsandscores.com/nfl/424845/jets-holmes-calls-polamalu-greatest-hes-seen

In all seriousness though, it’s been shown that some sportspeople have a more difficult time being aggressive with those who have shown them respect, so that may be it. Personally I think Troy would tackle his granny for tuppence, so it may be a wasted effort.

Or it may be that Holmes is setting himself up to look like a hero – he may think he has Troy’s game taped, and so intends to run rings round him on Sunday, so making him look better now makes Santonio* look like a god on Monday morning? Not sure about theory, but you never know :) Would Troy be tasked with dealing with Santonio or would that fall to someone else?

*for some reason that name’s always struck me as one a pimp in an episode of Starsky & Hutch would have**.
**A minor claim to fame – I’ve met Antonio Fargas (Huggy Bear) in a restaurant in the UK, when he was over here doing pantomime a couple of years ago. IIRC his son was a running back for the Oakland Raiders? He (the father) looks almost unchanged from the bad old days, but FFS don't let him park your car.




subrob1967 -> RE: NFL Sob (or Brag) Thread (1/20/2011 4:00:53 AM)

This week both the Packers and the Jets have to face teams with real defenses, should be a great weekend for Football 




RapierFugue -> RE: NFL Sob (or Brag) Thread (1/20/2011 4:26:16 AM)


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ORIGINAL: subrob1967
This week both the Packers and the Jets have to face teams with real defenses, should be a great weekend for Football 


Being an ex (amateur) rugby player, it's usually defence I find most interesting.

My terrible towel's not here yet though :( UPS International First Class Speedy Mail Super Fast** my arse.

I may have to go to my “alternate” – bench the new guy in favour of the old faithful.

*Jerry Glanville used to be the co-commentator on Channel 4’s excellent American Football series, back in the days when you could actually watch the bloody game in this country on a non mickey-mouse network – he once came out with the following exchange with his co-commentator;

“And that was an excellent hit! Caused the fumble, stripped the ball, perfect tackle! Textbook!”
“You're always on the defence’s side Jerry.”
“Well hell yeah! Who wants to see offences gettin’ it all their own way? I've always liked defence more! Defence rocks!”.
“Your idea of the best game in the world would be 2 defences going at it, with the offence on the sidelines.”
“You know, you might be right ... except that game already exists ... it’s called rugby”
<co-commentator cracks up>

**or whatever the fuck it’s called. What is it about American companies and their need to give perfectly ordinary products and services the most outlandish names? I'm expecting next year’s service to be called “Fuck Me I Only Just Put The Phone Down And It’s Here Already!”, followed by “I Hadn’t Even Realised I Needed That Product But Blow Me Down If It Hasn’t Turned Up – I Think I’m Going To Jizz My Pants!”




RapierFugue -> RE: NFL Sob (or Brag) Thread (1/20/2011 10:15:26 AM)


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ORIGINAL: subrob1967
This week both the Packers and the Jets have to face teams with real defenses, should be a great weekend for Football 


Ok ... dangerous prediction time ... I got out my copy of Madden 2008* today. I left the Steelers pretty much as they were, but gave the Jets a big bump in the QB and Defence areas, as their 2008 team isn't all that on Madden 2008, and played out the Superbowl ... and here are the results (and yes I realise this is as scientific as using chicken entrails, but it’s just a bit of fun) ... I played coaching mode only so I couldn't use my button-pressing skills to help, so with both teams playing their default playbooks (none of the sneaky plays from my custom playbook available to Pittsburgh), with me choosing the plays for the Steelers, here’s how it played out ...

It was a hell of a game. Pittsburgh went 3-0 up early doors, only to miss coverage on NY’s very next drive and concede a touchdown. So 3-7 ... there then followed a series of to and fro drives, and, just before halftime (only 45 seconds on the clock and no timeouts remaining), the Steelers capped a superb drive with Roethlisberger throwing a 25 yard TD pass, but there then followed a missed extra point! (FFS!). So 9-7 at the interval.

Just after halftime the Jets really got into it, pushing up-field with some great passing plays time after time, but they just couldn't finish their drives off, and Pittsburgh's defence played a blinder, so it remained 9-7 for a long time.

Finally, Big Ben put down the cheerleaders long enough to throw a corker that should have made 30 yards, but a blown tackle allowed the Steelers in for another TD (and I made them go for, and they got, the 2-pointer, after the cluster fuck they'd made of the extra point earlier), so 17-7. Defensively they were all over the Jets after that, and it was sacks a go-go, but I couldn't do better on subsequent drives than a single field goal: 20-7, and worryingly close – Madden 2008 tends to pick up the opposition’s efforts in the 4th quarter, so it’s always a good idea to have a big lead, which I didn't.

With about 4 minutes left in the 4th the Jets finally got their break; great pass & catch, followed by a slanting run after the catch, for a TD + extra point. Disaster! 20-14! Worse was to follow, with the Jets recovering the onside kick! AAARRGGHHHHH!

The following drive was a nightmare (for a Steelers fan) ... it didn't matter what I tried, defence-wise, they made rapid progress up the field ... Blitz, Zone, man-to-man ... 3-4, 4-3, Nickel, Dime, Quarter, Ask Fucking Madden, Slipping The Ref A Fistful Of Dollars ... nothing worked. The Jets got to within 12 yards of the endzone when, miraculously, they tried a PA fake and throw to the endzone corner ... which Pittsburgh intercepted! The 2-minute warning went.

The Jets had all their timeouts and I didn't have much in the way of field position (touchback), so rather than fanny about with running (which had had patchy success against the Jets thus far) I threw a few and blow me down Big Ben came through for me (due to previous sideline cheerleader action I presume), throwing a corker on a WR option play which, courtesy of a missed tackle, got run in for a TD. Yay! 27-14!

The Jets got the ball back with just over a minute left, and obviously had to go for it. I worked out they’d try a long one, so went for a 3-4 Cover 3, and sure enough they threw a loose one, and someone (Troy Polamalu I think) picked it off. With only 1 timeout remaining to NY I took a couple of knees and it was job done. Phew!

So the score on Sunday better be 27-14, Steelers, or I want my money back from Mr Madden :)

*the last version available on PC before they went console-only




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