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RE: Strategic planning or Blitz attack? - 10/17/2006 9:21:02 AM

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I think that I prefer warming up and then going at it for longer sessions. I seem to enjoy it so much more and it gives my body and mind the time to adjust so that I can probably hit subspace pretty quickly.

Master did the more "blitz attack" when we were together. It was with toys I had never had used, and it hurt like hell. I think it was just too much of a shock to my system, and it literally sent me into shock.

Master stopped cold turkey and helped me get through it. We have since talked about it, and from what I understand, we will have a variety of mixed like most of you do. We will have the soft build-up, and once in a while the more blitzy type. Thankfully Master is the type to keep a close eye on his slave, so if he sees the above happening again, he will take the proper steps to take care of me.

I do look forward to the slower approach when we are together next though, that has to be my favorite.

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RE: Strategic planning or Blitz attack? - 10/17/2006 12:00:27 PM

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Being that I'm fairly new, the warm up, first, is a must.

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RE: Strategic planning or Blitz attack? - 10/17/2006 1:09:56 PM

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That was a funny thread LA posted. Damn, how did she know how my scenes always go? Ha

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RE: Strategic planning or Blitz attack? - 10/17/2006 1:21:40 PM

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Dear mistoferin, Ladies and Gentlemen;

It depends on who I am TOPPING with. Those who are sensual sorts, I do have a plan of sensual warm up and then steps into subspace/flying. Some intermitten flurries of attack and throwing all at them, if they are that sort of slave/submissive. I like sneaking in things when least expected.

As far as the masochist I TOP, its from the start--full attack, intense and no mercy, until the body is seen to surrender before the person's mind. Then I maintain then slowly back down, as to get them grounded again.

I really am guided by the individual I'm TOPPING.

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RE: Strategic planning or Blitz attack? - 10/17/2006 1:21:56 PM

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It depends on the reaction I want. Usually it is leisurely warm up because I'm aiming for intimate, fun playtime. Some other times it is "release the beast" blitz attack so I can see her have no fun at all just trying to endure it. Yet other times it is an impromptu jumble of both. I try to mix it up to keep things seeming fresh from variety.

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RE: Strategic planning or Blitz attack? - 10/17/2006 1:30:33 PM

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Our scenes aren't really linear. Sometimes there's a climactic moment, but it doesn't necessarily have to be a "rough" moment or at the end. I, personally, always appreciate a little bit of forethought but I wouldn't necessarily equate that to warm up.

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RE: Strategic planning or Blitz attack? - 10/17/2006 1:35:50 PM

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Yeah, I don't think its an either or. The two ways are just different with different feelings associated with them.

If I'm with a heavy hitter who does no build up and knocks me against the wall with his first swing, I reach a limit of tolerance much faster. I love the feeling of being thrown, though.

Build ups sometimes bore (wrong word?) me, and I lose focus then tune back in when the hard stuff comes. So, it can be wasted effort in a way, but it gives me time to "settle in" and find a flow so its not bad. This way appeals to my cautious side, and I'm much more likely to interact with this type again.

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RE: Strategic planning or Blitz attack? - 10/17/2006 3:46:16 PM

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ORIGINAL: mistoferin

Do you take either of these types of approaches....or a mix of both? What is more fulfilling for YOU and why? Submissives, your thoughts too please?

i've actually had the occasion to do have both done on me.

The Blitz attack - Meaning no warm up and just jumping right in. It hurts ALOT more. Alot alot alot! Its more startling too. It makes the "begining" alot less enjoyable too. Generally for me its not until half way through it or till the end when i actually start enjoying it. I get alot more negative reactions when i get "blitzed" (nice word usage Mist) I get angrier, more aggressive, i fight it more. Pretty much getting blitzed i think sucks. Plus knowing how much its "going" to hurt gives me alot more anxiety. Once you get to point B - then things are fine.

Being warmed up - Which was only ever done once with me, (so i've lack of experience here) its alot more enjoyable, barely hurts at all. Alot less negative reaction and you dont have to be half way through it to enjoy it. You can enjoy it from the start.

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RE: Strategic planning or Blitz attack? - 10/17/2006 3:50:40 PM

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ORIGINAL: mistoferin

I guess I see the difference in the two approaches in that one approach has those softer "connection" moments that you are talking about...a roller coaster ride of highs and lows....and the other is just the "balls to the walls" approach that is more along the lines of "begin whipping(or whatever), stop when drooling and incoherent". Both may result in "drooling and incoherent"....just the path one takes to get there is different.

Blitzed to me means no warm up. No "gentle" start. No body rub down, no nothing. Just Full on force that fucking hurts. Maybe a couple of "wacks" that dont drop you to your knees, but make you rub the spot that is hurting and then one that drops you to your knees. Hell maybe a few. Even with being blitzed though, it can be diverse. It can be broken up and you can be given a break. Inbetween there can be soft touch - hugs, light spankings (ect)

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RE: Strategic planning or Blitz attack? - 10/17/2006 3:51:15 PM

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Since we are using the terms as "nsap shot impressions" - I thought to opffer this to you:

IN all applications where the word is used:

Even a blitz is well planned out for a reason - and, that reason is - it has to have an objective - and, a means of accomplishing that objective and a means of completion for the end of that obejective...

Otherwise it is just haphazard -

And, a haphazard approach is hazardous and hapless.

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RE: Strategic planning or Blitz attack? - 10/17/2006 3:52:53 PM

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ORIGINAL: LordODiscipline

Since we are using the terms as "nsap shot impressions" - I thought to opffer this to you:

IN all applications where the word is used:

Even a blitz is well planned out for a reason - and, that reason is - it has to have an objective - and, a means of accomplishing that objective and a means of completion for the end of that obejective...

Otherwise it is just haphazard -

And, a haphazard approach is hazardous and hapless.

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RE: Strategic planning or Blitz attack? - 10/17/2006 5:28:22 PM

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I really don't think that the end result is the same with either approach. Having experienced both I know that for me the end result is not the same.

I used to play with a top who had warm ups down to a science. He'd use various implements at gradually increasing intensities on different areas until I got to the point where every fibre of my being is craving for more and my head is already swimming in a nice warm floaty pool of endorphins that have built up gradually. He also knew exactly at which point I would bruise, if he wanted me to bruise, that is. He knew that if he maintained the current intensity I'd be unmarked the next day but that just a smidgeon more and I'd have bruises that lasted 2 or 3 weeks. By doing this he was able to prolong play for extended periods of time - sometimes over 2 hours per session - and it also allowed me to take more pain not only in quantity but in intensity.

I've also played with tops who's MO was to ratchet it up to 10 from the get go and keep it there for as long as I or they could stand it and those sessions while exhilirating in a different way were in no way the same as the others I mentioned. The end result also wasn't the same. With the former I get such a nice endorphin high. I can come down from a cross after being up there for 2+ hours enduring pain and help the top pack up toys and clean up the play station. With the latter I get jittery, teary and want to curl up in the fetal position afterwards most of the time. The latter also results in some major nasty sub drop the next day or two (the quicker they ramp up the harder I drop). With the other the drop is either very gradual or virtually unnoticeable.

I don't think one type of play is better than the other (though given my druthers I'd take the first kind hands down) but in my experience it's not true to say that the end result is the same.

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RE: Strategic planning or Blitz attack? - 10/17/2006 5:42:08 PM

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Wow, MsIgcognito, thats exactly what the difference feels like for me. And, you're right, the end result isn't the same.

I was involved with a Dominant for about two years who did absolutely no build up with a flogger, and when he hit, it was like he was smacking me accross the shoulders with a two by four. As hard as he hit, he never left a mark. Though I enjoyed the actual scenes, I stopped playing with him because I thought I was going nuts. But, I never connected it with subdrop or thought of it as a response to the style of play. And, I know that I don't have the same problems with slower buildups.

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RE: Strategic planning or Blitz attack? - 10/17/2006 6:58:43 PM

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ORIGINAL: mistoferin

A comment on another thread has me asking this question. The comment was that a warm up is needless work on the part of the top because the bottom will end up enduring all that is given anyway. So in thinking about it, I can see where the end result might indeed be the same, although I personally believe that would be primarily in the physical sense and may leave the mental or emotional fulfillment aspects lacking.

I have seen Dominant/Tops who have a style that appears to be very thought out and planned. They have the end destination in mind and follow an intricate roadmap to get there. A mix of sensations, touch and interactions that indicates that the two of them are on a the journey together. On the other hand, I have seen Dominant/Tops that seem to have a more "Blitz attack/throw everything I can at them" approach. Submissive on the cross (or whatever) and Dominant thrashing away at them....but while they may be on their way to the same destination...they seem to be taking seperate vehicles to get there. While both methods may indeed have them all arriving at "Point B", the course is really very different.

Do you take either of these types of approaches....or a mix of both? What is more fulfilling for YOU and why? Submissives, your thoughts too please?

I am somewhat of a prisoner of my moods.

Some days I like jazz music, some days I like punk rock, some days I like Led Zep, some days I like reggae.

There are days I enjoy the slow build of the warm up, the sensuality of the caress and the gradually increasing intensity. The kissing, the leisurely pulling her over my knee, the spanking, caressing, fondling, etc.

Other days I just want to tie her up and smack her in the face.

Then there are the evil days of wooden soup spoon torture...

I dont really play by rote. For me, I prefer to be guided by my muses.

Just me, could be wrong, but there you go.

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RE: Strategic planning or Blitz attack? - 10/17/2006 7:02:38 PM

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He also knew exactly at which point I would bruise, if he wanted me to bruise, that is. He knew that if he maintained the current intensity I'd be unmarked the next day but that just a smidgeon more and I'd have bruises that lasted 2 or 3 weeks.

That short psychotic bastard who ran the studio I used to teach martial arts at had a theory about bruises.

Rub them down, hurts like hell right now, gone tomorrow.

Dont rub them down, hurts all week.

Add up the amount of hurt, it ends up being the same. What is different is how long you want to hurt.

Bruises can be fun. Rubbing them out can be fun, and more exquisite torture (after the elk fur rubdown) than the bruise itself.

But taking her out to fancy dinners and watching her gingerly sit down in a wooden chair is fun at times.

Just me, could be wrong, but there you go.

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RE: Strategic planning or Blitz attack? - 10/17/2006 8:56:24 PM

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ORIGINAL: MsIncognito
but in my experience it's not true to say that the end result is the same.

I agree with your entire post. I should clarify...by the end result being the same I was referring to both styles may take the sub to the end of their endurance in the physical sense. In the most outward physical sense it may appear to end at the same place to the observer. I can have a Dominant go balls to the wall on me and have me incoherent and drooling on myself in an hour of non-stop intense whipping.....I can also have a Dominant take me on a roller coaster ride for 4 to 8 hours and have it result in incoherence and drooling.

I didn't mean to imply that I think that both experiences are processed in the same way, or that someone would hit the same mental space from them or recover from them in the same way. Which is what I was trying to verbalize in this quote from my first post, although it seems I verbalized it poorly....my bad

. Anyway, I hope that makes more sense although I'm still not sure if I've figured out exactly how to put in black and white what I am thinking.

quote:

So in thinking about it, I can see where the end result might indeed be the same, although I personally believe that would be primarily in the physical sense and may leave the mental or emotional fulfillment aspects lacking.

Personally, like you, if I have a preference I want to go on that long and yummy coaster ride. I feel that there is alot lacking in the balls to the walls approach, especially if it is the only approach that a Dominant ever uses. In the post that I mentioned it seemed to be implied that the slow and calculating method was a waste of time because the sub would have to endure it all anyway. I don't believe that it is a waste of time...I believe there is far more "connection" to be had by going the long way.

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RE: Strategic planning or Blitz attack? - 10/17/2006 10:18:37 PM

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I generally have a pathway planned kinda like a road trip, Primary destination is Z, expected stops, route is pretty standard. However the idea of side trips along the route makes for some fun as well.

I reserve Blitz for times when I want the destination to be certain things, breaking down barriers, pushing primal buttons, accessing anger and emotions that we tend to hide. When the shock to the system is required or desired.

I will also sometimes combine the two, I'll warm up the person to a point and then trip the switch and go all out, seeking the tears and the screams, trying to give catharsis or mearly wanting to let the sadist inside have a little pure undesired pain fun.

But I am inclined towards planning some amount of the scene, even when I blitz so to speak I do it with an intent in mind.

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RE: Strategic planning or Blitz attack? - 10/17/2006 10:54:57 PM

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mmmm Che Guevara...

He definitely has my vote for studly dom material

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RE: Strategic planning or Blitz attack? - 10/18/2006 3:41:43 AM

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Depends on who Im working with mainly, but enjoy both methods as they both serve a means to an end.

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RE: Strategic planning or Blitz attack? - 10/18/2006 6:01:13 AM

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ORIGINAL: Sinergy
Rub them down, hurts like hell right now, gone tomorrow.

Dont rub them down, hurts all week.

I think I like the don't rub them down approach. Not being able to sit comfortably for a week is yummy. Rubbing them down may hurt but running a whartenberg wheel across them while they're still fresh and raw and 'hurts like hell' is an understatement. Following up with a nice smattering of hot stingy wax makes for a good night's sleep.

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