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RE: question? - 9/25/2006 9:00:15 AM   
MasterFireMaam


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ORIGINAL: Frank01

I feel guilty and a bit abused if someone tells me I screwed up after the fact.

It makes me not want to play with them again.


This isn't an uncommon feeling. Dominants and Masters sometimes feel this way, too. But, of course, someone can't tell us we've screwed up before the fact, can they?

My guess is that your feelings of guilt and abuse are being generated by fear. Usually, that fear is of us not being worthy of love. We often look for outward signs that we are...and when someone criticizes us, that gets internalized as "we are not worthy", which is total bullshit. Look at that. Just because you make a mistake in someone's eyes doesn't mean you're not worthy. We are all BEAUTIFUL and PERFECT. We simply often act as if we're not. The ego of our lower selves does that.

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RE: question? - 9/25/2006 6:01:11 PM   
CreativeDominant


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ORIGINAL: RiotGirl

Safewords... never used em!  lol  Tho there isnt any pride with that = )  Never been an option before.  Ya know, i had a safeword 2 or 3 weeks ago in the public setting which was "i'm gonna kick your ass mutherfucker"  That was my safeword, because i knew when i reached the point of WANTING to kick some ones ass, i'd be done.  That's my limit when it starts to hurt too much and i can barely take it - i get abit pissed = )  Course it didnt pop out of my mouth.  LOL 

LOL - i should prolly try using something like with any other public scenes.  Not something calm like "red" or "blue" but something that i can vocalize how i feel in the heat of the moment.  Because as it seems to be, i'm not a calm quiet girl when it comes to those public scenes.  i stomp my foot, i stick out my tongue, i tease, i have witty things to say, i act like a brat, i laugh, i hollar, i make TONS of noises, i dance around i'm told, i even use my restraints to suspend myself in mid air...

i think when with the last toy that was used, every time it landed i said "oh snap" 

but see, my question wasnt on the scene.  Cos i had fun and it was all good.  My question was how to get past an inside barrier of not being able to communicate appropriately.  Though, i dunno.  i think Top Cat has it. 

and i dunno.... i dont think there is anything wrong with pushing yourself.  Its prolly all i was doing, was pushing myself.  I think if one is in a safe enviroment, all ground rules - formalities laid out, with experienced and intelligent ppl around - its okay to push yourself.  Plus, i think its interesting to see how far some one can go.  I enjoy pushing myself though i do have a tendency to push myself abit too hard at times.  Ie when i'm working out, the only time i slowed down was when i thought i was i going to pass out.  (course i've learned since then to EAT before hand and i dont reach that spot) 

As far as you Creative - i think its wrong to blame anyone else for something that was wanted.  We are ultimately responsible for ourselves, aye? 

interesting thread to start when one is beyond exshausted!  Tho i do appreciate everyone who helped put it straight in my head.  i didnt do anything wrong  = )  Which of course was my concern


I agree with you in that it IS wrong to blame someone else for something that was wanted...but even you and I agreeing on that would not have stopped the cop from throwing my ass in jail if the submissive in question had decided to call.  It's a good thing that you look at it that way...but not all do.  Which is why I believe in communication while it is going on and honest communication...not something said so that the dominant keeps going when the submissive feels that "maybe it'll be O.K....even though it feels like I am going to pass out and I taste blood in my mouth that I am sure is coming from my gut".  Not a slam on you, Riot...pushing yourself is O.K...but things CAN turn out bad and a trip to the E. R. is not a good way to end the night.  As julia said in another thread...safewords are just another form of communication and I do not always use them...hell, for me, when I say safeword maybe it would be better if I just said "communicate" with me.

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RE: question? - 9/25/2006 6:25:26 PM   
MistressSassy66


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I use the green yellow red safeword system,but I also use body language and asking if they are okay.

I dont rely on the submissive to use it,but I do teach them its okay to use it.Most I have pushed to that point of saying yellow or red.If they can say it once its easier to say if they need it.



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RE: question? - 9/27/2006 12:08:56 PM   
Mavis


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Forgive for dragging up old thread, but i've had company all week and not able to check in...  (Master visit, yeah!)

how about considering that your not wanting to use a safe word is both wanting the validation of your Daddy, being right there.. to step up for you... proving Himself ...
and also not safe wording on the other Top is again forcing Him to prove Himself.. by showing His ability to read you.      Take it like flirting to see if daddy would stop you?    i'm thinking this whole thing is a subconscious way of making Them display your value to others.  

(i kind of think this because of the way you talk about defending friends, and being a fighter, i get the impression you'd love to have a man show his supremacy by displaying protective side, etc. if i'm way off base, don't be hurt!  i've been way off base before, that's why i decided not to go into psychology.  lol )

but if it's on target, try to think of less risky ways to get the public pats on the head, we all need them, but doing it that way can put others in a bad place. 

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RE: question? - 9/27/2006 7:20:02 PM   
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Hello,
I know what you mean. I have rarely safe worded. I have passed out and more instead. 
Why? It is because I try so hard to hang in there, for someone so special-  I only play with people who I feel a deep, warm, caring connection and am willing to endure as able if needed.

I don't want to disapoint, but to please. I was once taught that by safewording - it is breaking the power dynamic. Last thing a dedicated sub/slave strives for.

So, I have born the pain. Mostly worked. I can combine sensations many times and even enjoy. "His" pleasure comforts and encourages me to go on.

If it gets too much: especially if I am in subspace - by the time I remember safewording - it is too late. I am out - or try and escape in a flight, lymbic reaction if not restrained.

So, I think I understand.

I am sorry - I have no suggestion or even an opinion. Just writing for support.

Best and more, fawne

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RE: question? - 9/27/2006 7:29:33 PM   
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It is your responsibility to be able to communicate when playing.  If you cannot do so you should learn how to.  It is not wrong to say stop and although you may not have needed to stop anything this time, you may another time. 



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RE: question? - 9/28/2006 6:03:58 AM   
RedSavageSlave


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ORIGINAL: Devilslilsister

dur.. yeah i'm going on and on.. (i'm worn down from the head down) ya know my friend is suggesting a green, yellow, red system.  But i'm sure i'd give greens!  lol.  But oddly, i dun have this problem with my Daddy.  i got noooooo issue being like "whoaaaaa"  or letting him know its too much. 

<shrugs> maybe its the challenge?


Maybe you didnt want "daddy" to look bad in front of the other dom???

I know sometimes I will have that issue..just a thought

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RE: question? - 9/28/2006 6:09:15 AM   
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In nearly nine years in the scene I have only once ever had to use a safe word. And sadly, it was not even during a scene! I was at a munch and there was a "Dom" male who was telling me that I was going to go home with him. I told him no and continued speaking with him for a little as I thought nothing of it. He then began to touch me. I did not wish to be touched by him so I pulled away and said, "Please, don't." I thought he understood so I continued talking with him and the other person who had just arrived in the conversation. He tried again and I pulled away completely then he reached out to pull me back to him. The moment his hands made contact with me I pushed him away and said "Red!" Well.. when that was done it definately got his atention and the attention of others near by. Damn wannabe's and trolls just dont understand. It still amazes me that to this day the only time Ive used a safe word was with a troll who happened across a public munch. Grr.



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