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RE: RACK vs SSC - 9/21/2006 11:27:54 AM   
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Hell, send me to a women's prison.  I'll be the bitch!

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RE: RACK vs SSC - 9/21/2006 12:06:46 PM   
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Problem with scaring the Vanillas is they outumber us and outvote us and unless we do a reasonable PR job we can expect to be sexual criminals in their eyes and maybe even legally at some point.
How would you like to be a registered sexual offender based on the things we do between consenting adults?
If we don't do some level of PR with the nillas it can happen.



Ditto.
Even more of a concern when we're trying to set up a major BDSM event like Folsom Fringe this weekend, complete with dungeon in one of the hotel ballrooms. PR is sometimes a necessity, like it or not <shrugs>.

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RE: RACK vs SSC - 9/21/2006 12:32:16 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Archer

Problem with scaring the Vanillas is they outumber us and outvote us and unless we do a reasonable PR job we can expect to be sexual criminals in their eyes and maybe even legally at some point.
How would you like to be a registered sexual offender based on the things we do between consenting adults?
If we don't do some level of PR with the nillas it can happen.


Exactly right, it can happen.. just look at whats going on in the uk  

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RE: RACK vs SSC - 9/21/2006 7:23:07 PM   
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ORIGINAL: gooddogbenji

Before this evolves into 20 pages of BS, let me ask one quick question.

Who gives a fuck?

Do what you do, be careful, and remember, if you need to discuss shit like this, ask for a gag.

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benji


LOL excellent post!  Those accronyms have never been uttered by Master or I in any conversation.  I either trust him or I don't.  Simple as that.

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RE: RACK vs SSC - 9/21/2006 7:43:36 PM   
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There are always going to be folks altering and creating their own jargon to describe things in their lives.

For someone who is happily living a BD/SM lifestyle, it makes no difference what terms they use to describe this within the scene.

The big deal is when our scene and our events are studied by those outside the scene, whether they be opponents of the scene or not.

When the media has the terms Safe, Sane and Consensual as a definition of the rules of our scene this is very good. Many opponents have tried to close events down and failed when facing these terms.

The right wing christian groups who opposed some of the major Chicago events were made to look like total fools by the vanilla media as a result. LOL just try to explain to a sarcastic talk show host whether it is sane you object to, or safe, or if you just do not like consensuality. They antis looked totally foolish.

SSC may be buzz words and you may not like using them in negotiations, but this slogan has been very good indeed for our public image.

vield

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RE: RACK vs SSC - 9/21/2006 8:05:55 PM   
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Yes it was set up as pr, and has worked extremely well since then.

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RE: RACK vs SSC - 9/23/2006 5:09:25 AM   
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ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross

SSC= safe, sane, consensual

RACK= risk aware consensual kink

Personally, both are pointless and I certainly don't base my behaviors on some acronym. 

I sort of agree, but with all due respect, pointless might be a bit extreme. One, the other, or both are often used to describe play to someone new to the scene. Granted, after an individual is accustomed to the workings of BDSM, it is more common sense than anything else, but some folks simply need that stucture and an acronym or catch phrase to remind them of the ground rules. I'd rather have them, than not have them.

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RE: RACK vs SSC - 9/23/2006 5:53:13 AM   
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The biggest difference between SSC and RACK, to me, are with SSC, I am relying on someone else to do what's "right." With RACK, I'm saying that given all the information I have right at this moment, I am making a decision as to what is right for me. I am assuming my own risk, I am NOT abdicating the responsibility of my decision.

With SSC, there is the claim "That's not safe, sane or consensual!!" flying around as an accusation in the event of an "oops."

With RACK, when there's an "oops," I'm  in charge of my decisions. No accusations, not recriminations, just an "ok, what do we have to do to fix this."

I like the sense of responsibility - personal responsibility - that exists with RACK...

Then again, perhaps it's all just an illusion and how I care to approach this life in the first place.

juliet

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RE: RACK vs SSC - 9/23/2006 6:09:51 AM   
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Precisely why I would prefer to see them stated as a blend where both were valid, not independently.

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RE: RACK vs SSC - 9/23/2006 6:18:13 AM   
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I can understand that. However, I'm one of those weird people that don't place trust of someone else real high on a list of requirements. I place trust in myself to make good decisions - and the responsibility on myself to deal with the consequences when I'm wrong, at the top of the list.

Yes, it'd be nice to presume that the other person is going to be smart enough, compassionate enough, etc, to choose to do things that are safe sane and consensual, and being in a relationship for a long period of time helps in the presumption of this, but for me, I'd rather leave him to his own decisions, make my own and find out where his and mine match.

But then, I'm a very strong proponent for having the right environment where dominants DO choose their own paths - even if they don't mesh with mine. That way, I get to make my decision as to what I want.

lol...it's a very dominant (self-assertive) kind of submission I have... I guess.

juliet

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RE: RACK vs SSC - 9/23/2006 7:44:45 AM   
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As a submissive, Safe, Sane and Consensual gives me an easy to remember set of rules that can be of help when I'm in trouble.  It works for me in a way that "risk aware consensual kink" doesn't.  I'm sure a lot of this is subjective, and can't imagine that it works for everyone, but, when I'm playing with someone I don't know that well, in a lets get to know each other way, I take a risk when I allow myself to enter subspace, and might find myself needing to come out fast and re-negotiate things when I'm sort of foggyminded.  SSC can be very effective as a crutch in those moments.  If a Top/Dom crosses a limit, I can invoke the consent criteria without having to be too present, mentally.  SSC works precisely because it doesnt require too much thought especially in those situations where I'm not thinking clearly.  RACK is too ambiguous to be effective at these times.

I also use SSC in early negotiations with Dominants.  I expect them to be familiar with the idea and at least have some appreciation of what it means.  This tells me how much exposure they have to some of the debates and controversies within bd/sm and D/s and how aware they are of the wider community.  Discussing SSC also helps me to gage how invested they are in my wellbeing as a sub or bottom.

As I experience it, I move in and out of subspace rather easily and have a lot of little things I do to protect myself against doing stupid things when I find myself in subspace unexpectedly.  Relying on a slogan like SSC is one of these little things.   I know that any agreeement I make while in subspace isn't consensual, using a strict definition.  I know that while I'm in subspace, I'm not exactly sane.  I know that its not safe for me to operate heavy machinery while I'm in subspace.  :)

I think its easy to forget that when we're talking about bd/sm and D/s we're talking about activities that encourage altered states of consciousness and some of us enter an altered state easier than others.  For me, this stuff is as much mental and emotional as it is physical.  My thought processes can be very different depending on what state I'm in.  Sometimes, I can handle, and seek, complexity and ambiguity and other times I need almost mind-numbing simplicity.   In those times when I need simplicity, SSC works, though it has its faults.

I have never used the idea of SSC to judge someone else's play.  Its very much about my own thought processes and taking care of myself in potentially situations.  For example, if something feels nuts, or doesn't feel safe, I hesitate.  If I'm feeling manulated, I back away.  If questioned, I explain in terms of SSC.  But, its always about me and my decisions, and not even about the particular Top/Dom I'm interacting with.  If I take this path of backing away, it just means we aren't compatible.

Those are my thoughts and why I think SSC is a good thing. :)


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