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RACK vs SSC - 9/21/2006 6:17:00 AM   
discreetdesires


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Status: offline 		hello...i am an experienced submissive...but recently have started hearing more and more of the RACK versus SSC.  Can anyone explain the difference of these two?
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RE: RACK vs SSC - 9/21/2006 6:25:28 AM   
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Status: offline 		SSC= safe, sane, consensual

RACK= risk aware consensual kink

People use RACK when they think SSC is too fluffy and want an acronym that gets more specific on what the person is really responsible for.

Interestingly enough this weekend I was teasing someone about bondage in water and breathing and not moving to stay alive, and someone else said "That's definitely RACK and not SSC play."  I'd never heard someone use the terms to describe the types of play itself- as if edgier play needed a different set of responsible behaviors to it than non edgy play.

Personally, both are pointless and I certainly don't base my behaviors on some acronym.  Most often the terms are used to bash people over the head by a jilted ex for NOT being those things.

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RE: RACK vs SSC - 9/21/2006 6:38:43 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: discreetdesires

hello...i am an experienced submissive...but recently have started hearing more and more of the RACK versus SSC.  Can anyone explain the difference of these two?


Hmmm, SSC is often spoken of, far more often than than RACK......Sometimes I don't see a great deal of difference, but RACK is more applicable to me.

My idea of *Safe, Sane and Consentual* is certainly not going to be someone elses. In fact, quite the opposite. It depends WHO decides what's *safe* and *sane*.

RACK just suits my situation better.

In some ways it's sematics............but doing *unsafe* things*  with Risk Awareness* sits better with me.

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RE: RACK vs SSC - 9/21/2006 6:51:32 AM   
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Status: offline 		Everything is a risk when you are a a living breathing person. A person needs to calculate risks and make a decision whether the reward is comisserate with the risk, and that is applicable to everything we do in life, not just BDSM play

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RE: RACK vs SSC - 9/21/2006 7:25:58 AM   
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Status: offline 		The way I see it, the two acronyms have a similar purpose: clearly spelling out that the play people are engaging in is done responsibly and thoughtfully, not recklessly or stupidly.  To me, this is most helpful when explaining what we do to vanillas, who might be fearful at first that we are unaware of the dangers.

The difference, in my thinking, is a slightly different philosophy.  "Safe, sane, consensual" implies there is a responsibility to make sure that risk is minimised.  "Risk aware consensual kink", on the other hand, requires only that each party has knowledge of the risks.  So one person might play SSC and another might play RACK, and they may be doing exactly the same things in practice.  But one sees it as important to maintain safety, the other sees it as important to accept that there is danger involved.

Thats my understanding, anyway....

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RE: RACK vs SSC - 9/21/2006 7:44:11 AM   
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Status: offline 		I have heard people use these acronmyns as though they are mutually exclusive... as though one cannot be RACK and SSC at the same time. That perplexes me because I see them as complimentary worldviews, not mutually exclusive...

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RE: RACK vs SSC - 9/21/2006 7:44:52 AM   
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Status: offline 		For me, SSC is very subjective. What I feel is SSC, someone else might find totally loony. Now, RACK, to me, that says as long as you understand the risks, it's your choice to undergo it...or not. It's informed consent rather than playing off of what other people tell you is OK.

slave david stein, the originator of the SSC slogan, didn't intend for SSC to become what it has. Here is an exerpt of an article he has written.
"MISUSE OF A SLOGAN
The understandable popularity of the slogan has a downside, however. Those with few or no roots in the struggle to bring S/M out of the shadows -- who take for granted today's world of BDSM clubs in every large town and kinky images all over the mass media -- tend to apply the slogan in a simplistic way, even using it as a stick to beat anyone whose style of play offends them for whatever reason. The implication is that whatever is safe, sane, and consensual is good, and whatever isn't is bad, which goes far beyond what we intended back in 1987. In 1987, we were trying to draw a line between what is clearly defensible, in terms of both social structures and personal well-being, and what is either indefensible or at least very questionable. It was a conscious, deliberate attempt to shift the debate onto grounds where we thought we could win, instead of having to keep proving we weren't serial killers, spouse beaters, and child abusers. Of course, the morality of such a strategy depends on who is left out. "

The full article can be found at http://www.albanypowerexchange.com/History/ssc.htm.

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RE: RACK vs SSC - 9/21/2006 7:49:11 AM   
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Status: offline 		From numerous discussions with local folks who've been involved with BDSM for decades, I've gleaned the following consensus.
Risk Assessed Consensual Kink (RACK) preceeds SSC as a means of generally defining 'what it is that we do' to the vanilla world/contacts, with emphasis on 'consensual'.

Respectfully,
RFJM

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RE: RACK vs SSC - 9/21/2006 7:53:59 AM   
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Status: offline 		Before this evolves into 20 pages of BS, let me ask one quick question.

Who gives a fuck?

Do what you do, be careful, and remember, if you need to discuss shit like this, ask for a gag.

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RE: RACK vs SSC - 9/21/2006 8:02:24 AM   
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If you need to discuss shit like this, ask for a gag.



Or, in this case, bondage mittens.

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RE: RACK vs SSC - 9/21/2006 8:08:36 AM   
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RE: RACK vs SSC - 9/21/2006 8:11:30 AM   
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Status: offline 		"SSC and RACK are the same damn thing. They are nothing more than marketing slogans created to make what we do seem less scarey to the 'nillas."

Who says that?  I say that!
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RE: RACK vs SSC - 9/21/2006 8:16:32 AM   
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Status: offline 		I say fuck 'em.  Scare the shit out 'em, damn pansies.

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RE: RACK vs SSC - 9/21/2006 10:15:47 AM   
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ORIGINAL: gooddogbenji
Before this evolves into 20 pages of BS, let me ask one quick question.
Who gives a fuck?
Do what you do, be careful, and remember, if you need to discuss shit like this, ask for a gag.
Yours,
benji


Leave it to benji to cut to the point.  Who cares?  I've heard the terms mostly thrown around by people who wanted to seem cool or in the know.

Much of what we do is dangerous, DUH, I don't need a damn slogan for that.  We need someone to remind us that things are consensual?  Cause gee if they're not we start crossing into things like kidnapping, false imprisonment, battery, etcc..

Screw the vanillas, I am so far beyond caring what they think or trying to explain it.

When some of us are done debating silly acronyms, we might just notice that some of us are having fun.

K



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RE: RACK vs SSC - 9/21/2006 10:21:46 AM   
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Status: offline 		Even though I'm not a heavy player, a few of the things I've done and want to do in the future might be considered risky, and not entirely sane; so my position is to explain what I plan to do and the risks entailed before he agrees or says "I think you've lost your mind Mistress."  
So I tend to like R.A.C.K. more than safe, sane, since in my opinion the only safe people are the ones sitting on the sidelines miserably watching life pass them by because they're too afraid to live and die.     M

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RE: RACK vs SSC - 9/21/2006 10:35:13 AM   
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ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross

SSC= safe, sane, consensual

RACK= risk aware consensual kink

Personally, both are pointless and I certainly don't base my behaviors on some acronym.


This statement reflects my sentiments on the common watch words quite succinctly.

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RE: RACK vs SSC - 9/21/2006 10:47:28 AM   
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Status: offline 		Problem with scaring the Vanillas is they outumber us and outvote us and unless we do a reasonable PR job we can expect to be sexual criminals in their eyes and maybe even legally at some point.
How would you like to be a registered sexual offender based on the things we do between consenting adults?
If we don't do some level of PR with the nillas it can happen.

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RE: RACK vs SSC - 9/21/2006 11:09:26 AM   
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Status: offline 		well said Archer
 
Anytime we get in to an us and them mentality, we create a war, and war creates hurt pain separtaion and death.
 
And when we take the perspective that it is all US......then we can have compassion, understanding and exploration.
 
I would rather live in a world where folks could be open about thier sexual and sensual explorations, and where love was celibrated in all its many shapes and forms...
 


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RE: RACK vs SSC - 9/21/2006 11:15:40 AM   
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Status: offline 		Yeah, but let's remember that it's us with the whips, cuffs, and electric cattle prods...

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RE: RACK vs SSC - 9/21/2006 11:22:54 AM   
Archer


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Status: offline 		Benji, while we may like to RP cops and prison scenes I doubt many of us would enjoy them for real.
Besides all my prison fantasies have me as the Jailer or Warden not a prisoner and somehow I doubt they'll let me play those roles.

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