CreativeDominant
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In another forum thread i noticed a post that mentioned "female" persuasion.
This got me to thinking ... about how female persuasion has gotten some bad reviews...*smile and i believe that the differences between this and manipulation are seperated by a very fine line. Which often causes the bad reviews...lol
Sometimes, the direct approach doesn't always work with some folks for whatever the reasons, and they may require some persuasion; as for example: In getting them to see a doctor for their health, or paying their bills responsibly, etc.
i tend to view persuasion as being more of an art, when applied correctly and with honrable intentions being the key, to telling the difference. In business, persuasion is often highly valued for the cohesive functioning of organizational structure.
Is it equally valued within a relationship, especially one of M/s dynamic?
On surface thought, i find it is tricky at times, to tell the difference between persuasion and manipulation, without knowing the intentions of the one doing it.
i view manipulation as a means of one person trying to gain a form of control, using less than honorable intentions.
i view persuasion as one person trying to direct another to act upon, or consider certain perspectives other than their own, in a non threatening approach, with the intent that the other person will have a wider range of possibilities to aid them in their final descision.
Does the art of persuasion have a place in your personal relationship?
Are you able to notice or tell the difference between a persuasive (honorable) intention, from what constitutes manipulative intent?
i see nothing wrong with honorable persuasion, because the intent is not to gain control, but rather to direct another's attention to be opento at least consider a different perspective, that may be of some benefit. Just my personal thoughts here. *grin
Thank You in advance *smile
When I have read of "female persuasion" in either critical or joking terms, it is defined as "female persuasion" and not just persuasion because what is actually happening is manipulation and NOT persuasion. If you wanted to get into a semantic argument or a sexist argument, I suppose it could be argued that the term "female persuasion" is, from one side, a light-hearted way of describing the manipulative techniques women use to get men to do what the women want and the men do not even realize it is happening OR a way of twisting a man around your little finger, and he is fairly aware of it, in a nice and seductive way to get what you want.
To get to "persuasion" versus "manipulation". I look at persuasion as bringing your ideas, your evidence, your feelings about a certain issue to the table in an honest manner so as to try to persuade another to your way of thinking. It is open communication about where you are coming from and what you want. The way of doing it can be gentle or harsh, short and to the point or long-winded. But it is honest. "I want to do A...I think we ought to do A...here is why I think we ought to do A...have I convinced you yet with the evidence and my feelings and my thoughts to see why we should do A?". Manipulation, on the other hand, is using underhanded, under the table, as someone else said..."sneaky" means of getting something that you want. It MIGHT be good for the partner or the relationship. But the means of getting it are not. "I want her to do A...she won't be persuaded by any kind of logical argument...I'll get her to do A by sneaking/lying/yelling/"guilting"/etc."
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