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Curiosity here! - 8/24/2006 7:13:48 AM   
Mastersbrat1965


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I like to ask a lot of questions so please bear with me. What is the difference in being submissive and a slave? Where does the collar come in?  Do both get collared? Are both owned?
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RE: Curiosity here! - 8/24/2006 7:30:35 AM   
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I know LA is going to pull up more links, but there are several discussions on this.

Submissive vs slave:
http://www.collarchat.com/m_391230/mpage_1/key_submissive%252Cslave/tm.htm#391302

http://www.collarchat.com/m_300/mpage_1/key_submissive%2Cslave/tm.htm

http://www.collarchat.com/m_480295/mpage_1/key_submissive%2Cslave/tm.htm

http://www.collarchat.com/m_353097/mpage_1/key_submissive%2Cslave/tm.htm

Collaring

http://www.collarchat.com/m_531609/mpage_1/key_collaring/tm.htm#531609

http://www.collarchat.com/m_466865/mpage_1/key_collaring/tm.htm#467371

http://www.collarchat.com/m_297748/mpage_1/key_collars/tm.htm#297983

Collars:
http://www.collarchat.com/m_167264/mpage_1/key_collars/tm.htm#167338

http://www.collarchat.com/m_391917/mpage_1/key_collars/tm.htm#391917

http://www.collarchat.com/m_81449/mpage_1/key_collars/tm.htm#81459

That should be enough links on my part. A submissive can be collared. A slave can also be collared. It is up to the two in the dynamic as to whether or not there is a collaring and whether or not the collar means anything, as in the idea of ownership. Many people will wear collars for fun, or for play scenes without taking on a collar to represent the relationship.

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RE: Curiosity here! - 8/24/2006 7:32:07 AM   
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Both your questions are oft asked on these boards, you could do a search or maybe if you are lucky then LA will be along at some point and provide a fistfull of links to past threads on the subject.

But in short, the diffrence between slave and submissive, is entirely personal to the individual using the lable. Much of the time there is little or no diffrence in the actions or attitude. Some subs seem to think slave=doormat, it doesn't. Some slaves seem to think submissive=someone who plays at it, again it doesn't.

Same for the collar. It means as much or as little as the two people involved place on it. Some seem to have 'velcro' attatched, they are meaningless and I've seen girls on here apparently go through several masters collars in the space of a few weeks. Others have a high degree of importance, they are worked toward slowly and carefully and given/accepted when the relationship is settled and working.


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RE: Curiosity here! - 8/24/2006 7:33:42 AM   
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Ooooh slipstream is after LA's job! 

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RE: Curiosity here! - 8/24/2006 7:36:58 AM   
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I'm soooo predictable :)

Slave/sub links:

http://www.collarchat.com/m_515303/mpage_1/key_slave/tm.htm#515333
What is the difference?

http://www.collarchat.com/m_308296/mpage_1/key_slave%252Csub/tm.htm#309867
sub or slave?

http://www.collarchat.com/m_342405/mpage_1/key_slave%252Csub/tm.htm#342794
~slave vs sub~

http://www.collarchat.com/m_410567/mpage_1/key_slave%252Csub/tm.htm#410982
slave or sub

http://www.collarchat.com/m_497775/mpage_1/key_submissive%252Cslave/tm.htm#497977
I'm new to this but...

http://www.collarchat.com/m_366860/mpage_1/key_slave%252Csub/tm.htm#366893
Difference bet/submission and slave?

http://www.collarchat.com/m_365776/mpage_1/key_sub%252Cslave/tm.htm#366767
slub question

http://www.collarchat.com/m_281198/mpage_1/key_slave%252Csub/tm.htm#281512
difference between slave and submissive

http://www.collarchat.com/m_251014/mpage_1/key_sub%252Cslave/tm.htm#251062
definition of "slave"

What's the difference between slaves and submissives?

Submissive or slave?

Slaves versus submissive

Submissive or slave? (2)

Submissive vs slave (2)

Collar links:
http://www.collarchat.com/m_498653/mpage_1/key_collar/tm.htm#498670
The Coveted and Legendary Collar

http://www.collarchat.com/m_531609/mpage_1/key_collar/tm.htm#531610
Collaring vs Wearing a collar

http://www.collarchat.com/m_547321/mpage_1/key_collar/tm.htm#547475
The meaning of a collar

http://www.collarchat.com/m_485613/mpage_1/key_collar/tm.htm#485797
Please share with me (what being collared means to you)

http://www.collarchat.com/tm.asp?m=427111&mpage=1&key=collaring&#427257
being collared

http://www.collarchat.com/tm.asp?m=410988&mpage=1&key=collaring&#411019
public collar

http://www.collarchat.com/m_291301/mpage_1/key_collar/tm.htm#291301
Collar vs Wedding Ring

http://www.collarchat.com/m_287566/mpage_1/key_collar/tm.htm#287566
Another Question Regarding the Collar

http://www.collarchat.com/tm.asp?m=323687&mpage=1&key=collaring&#323702
collars (2)

http://www.collarchat.com/m_287140/mpage_1/key_collar/tm.htm#287140
Collar

http://www.collarchat.com/m_264867/mpage_1/key_collar/tm.htm#264867
Sub Thoughts on collars

http://www.collarchat.com/m_248345/mpage_1/key_collar/tm.htm#248345
collar before love

http://www.collarchat.com/m_247668/mpage_1/key_collar/tm.htm#247668
ring or collar, what's the difference?

http://www.collarchat.com/m_219135/mpage_1/key_collar/tm.htm#219135
What does a collar mean?

http://www.collarchat.com/m_190240/mpage_1/key_collar/tm.htm#190240
collar or what else?

http://www.collarchat.com/m_187244/mpage_1/key_collar/tm.htm#187244
Accepting a collar

http://www.collarchat.com/m_184946/mpage_1/key_collar/tm.htm#184946
Timeframe for a Collar?

http://www.collarchat.com/m_177155/mpage_1/key_collar/tm.htm#177155
collar (2)

http://www.collarchat.com/m_165733/mpage_1/key_collar/tm.htm#165733
collars

http://www.collarchat.com/m_151638/mpage_1/key_collar/tm.htm#151638
Collar Ceremony

http://www.collarchat.com/m_150934/mpage_1/key_collar/tm.htm#150934
Losing the Collar

http://www.collarchat.com/m_132702/mpage_1/key_collar/tm.htm#132702
From chat to collar

http://www.collarchat.com/m_124898/mpage_1/key_collar/tm.htm#124898
Wearing training collar in public

http://www.collarchat.com/m_81449/mpage_1/key_collar/tm.htm#81449
What are the collar types/levels please?

http://www.collarchat.com/m_80281/mpage_1/key_collar/tm.htm#80281
When is the right time to collar?

http://www.collarchat.com/m_70392/mpage_1/key_collar/tm.htm#70392
Collars and collaring

http://www.collarchat.com/m_61337/mpage_1/key_collar/tm.htm#61337
Collar conundrum?

http://www.collarchat.com/m_59686/mpage_1/key_collar/tm.htm#59686
Color of collars?

http://www.collarchat.com/m_55592/mpage_1/key_collar/tm.htm#55592
Collars when?

http://www.collarchat.com/m_27368/mpage_1/key_collar/tm.htm#27368
Kind of a collar question?

http://www.collarchat.com/m_11451/mpage_1/key_collar/tm.htm#11451
Collaring a submissive?

http://www.collarchat.com/m_428/mpage_1/key_collar/tm.htm#428
What is your definition of a training collar?

http://www.collarchat.com/m_402/mpage_1/key_collar/tm.htm#402
Multiple collars or single collar?



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RE: Curiosity here! - 8/24/2006 7:45:04 AM   
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I think that's a record.

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RE: Curiosity here! - 8/24/2006 7:48:19 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Aileen68
I think that's a record.

Well she asked for answers on the two most popular topics in the bdsm community. 

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RE: Curiosity here! - 8/24/2006 8:32:27 AM   
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Tal and greetings
 
Yes I also think LA set a records for links.  I do agree with Raven on the collar, submissive, slave.  It is a personal choice.  Yes for me a collar has a very important meaning, mine closes with a lock.  But to each their own.
 
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RE: Curiosity here! - 8/24/2006 10:11:44 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Mastersbrat1965

What is the difference in being submissive and a slave?



Submissive: Able to conform to the *authority or will of others; though grammactically an adjective, the BDSM culture uses this term in noun form to mean "one who is submissive".

Compliant, obediant, yielding


Slave: One who is dependent upon or controlled by another; one who works without remuneration or reward.

Bondsman, bondswoman, servant, thrall



[!] It is important to note that some use the two terms synonymously, and see them as interchangeable. This has amounted to a lot of confusion among those in BDSM practice. It is easy enough to say a slave is submissive, but a submissive is not necessarily a slave. The two terms do have seperate and differing levels of meaning, but this does not keep others from confusing or muddling the definitions.


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ORIGINAL: Mastersbrat1965

Where does the collar come in? Do both get collared? Are both owned?



This is the portion of your question that is truly entirely subjective to any passersby. For me, the collar is an instrument or tool, and nothing more. Some turn the collar into a larger version of a matrimonial ring, giving it deep symbolic meaning and ceremonial significance. It is (usually) the submissive or "slave" that is collared. Ownership, again, is a very subjective term in BDSM.




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RE: Curiosity here! - 8/25/2006 10:19:24 AM   
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Dang LA! Way to go!  i love it!  It is almost as if You have a running "link" program in your head! :)

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RE: Curiosity here! - 8/25/2006 10:23:09 AM   
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LA is the best!

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RE: Curiosity here! - 8/25/2006 10:53:56 AM   
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No question seems to get the brawl going quite like the sub verses slave question!  In the end, it's just a term to describe the types of submission that is expected (for the most part.)  Generally, I use the term submissive to describe the inherent personality trait (everyone has a level of submission, it's a necessary aspect of living in a society.)  We obey street signs, price tags, and where to sit on the plane.  We do what our bosses or customers tell us, and pull over if a policeman stops us.  'A' submissive is usually a person who prefers a role of obeying in a relationship or exchange.

A slave, by contrast, is what some submissives become (many say they always felt they were.)  In BDSM and Ds terms, we are NOT referring to the standard 'held prisoner or in bondage against one's will, as property, to be sold or used' that you might find in southeast asia, africa, parts of the middle east, and central and south america.  Human traffiking and the BDSM community are wholly unrelated (though you run the same sort of risks in the BDSM community that you do in the vanilla community of being abducted and sold illegally.) 

A slave in the BDSM context is someone who voluntarily agrees to obey their owner (mostly) without the expectation of a veto.  Their obedience is generally considered to be of a higher degree, though in practice this doesn't usually apply to vanilla aspects, employment, family obligations, and raising of children (i.e. she may be my slave, but she's also the mother of my children, and that makes her Mom no matter what.)  People who enjoy or prefer ritualism in their relationships often prefer the term slave to submissive, but in the end these terms only carry the weight that the two within the relationship give it.  A good distinction is that all slaves are submissive, but not all submissives are slaves.

The collar question is a little more straightforward.  Submissives (often called subs) and slaves can both be given a collar.  Dominants rarely wear a collar, and when they do it is almost always for show.  Some people fall between the term Dominant and submissives.  A 'switch' usually refers to someone who enjoys both domination and submission, though commonly switches have a general preference or tendancy for one or the other, especially in a serious relationship context (not uncommon here, for example, are bisexual women who prefer a submissive role to male partners, but feel dominant towards female partners.)  Such a person, in the submissive capacity might wear the collar of their dominant partner, but will still dominate their submissive partner.  This is one of the rare situations where a dominant would wear a collar.  Of course, a dominant could wear a collar if they wished - that's part and parcel of being the dominant (doing what you want in the relationship!)

I hope this helps.

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