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LeMis -> RE: Castro Mobilizing Miltary Against Potential US Invasion (8/19/2006 5:42:12 PM)

Can we still order Cubans pressed?
Uhmmmm sandwich variety, lol.   [:D]



gooddogbenji -> RE: Castro Mobilizing Miltary Against Potential US Invasion (8/19/2006 5:54:41 PM)

I love living in Canada!  I'm sucking on a fat cuban right now! 

And later, I might have a cigar.

Yours,


benji



popeye1250 -> RE: Castro Mobilizing Miltary Against Potential US Invasion (8/19/2006 8:28:01 PM)

Cuckhold, Cuba has always been free to trade with Canada and Europe and they have.
The Cubans misery was brought on by Castro and his communist govt not by the U.S. or anything it did or didn't do.
As for Africa it's really a lost cause.
They need to start helping themselves.
Four hundred Billion dollars poured into Africa over the last 40 years through the "U.N." hasn't done much good has it?
Well, it's been good for property rates on the French Riviera by African "Potentates" who robbed all that money and bought luxury villas in the South of France!
Compliments of the U.S. and European Taxpayers of course!
Even Vladimir Putin has a place there paid for with U.S. Taxpayer dollars!



seeksfemslave -> RE: Castro Mobilizing Miltary Against Potential US Invasion (8/19/2006 11:32:47 PM)

I believe Castro's intentions were good and he replaced a corrupt Batista regime, who I think it is agreed ran Cuba, with the help of criminal US shall we say interests, as a brothel and a gambling den. Now I have nothing against brothels or gambling dens per se but its no way to run a country is it?

Where Castro went wrong was trying to control everthing from the centre and not permitting any dissent. I agree in the early days he had plenty to fear from the US with their messianic anti communist approach to Foreign Policy.
Dont forget in Cuba you would be expected to listen to a 7hour speech from Fidel.Thats enough to ruin the economy by itself.

Just veering over to Africa. Dewy eyed Liberals claim that all that is required is Fair Trade . I ask them, what is stopping African nations trading amongst themselves ?
The answer, they are too busy fighting amongst themselves. Frequently for the wealth created by the despised Colonialists. Cant blame whitey for that !!




Kedicat -> RE: Castro Mobilizing Miltary Against Potential US Invasion (8/20/2006 12:15:07 AM)

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ORIGINAL: SirKenin

Does Cuba have oil??  [:D]


They have offshore oil reserves in the gulf. Several US companies would like to negotiate to explore and drill, but US embargoes do not allow. There have been rumors of some third party scams to get around the embargoes, but it is all too iffy for any party to solidify a deal.
This is one of the main reasons the US is still so hot to get into Cubas pants and rape her.



meatcleaver -> RE: Castro Mobilizing Miltary Against Potential US Invasion (8/20/2006 4:16:23 AM)

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ORIGINAL: seeksfemslave

Just veering over to Africa. Dewy eyed Liberals claim that all that is required is Fair Trade . I ask them, what is stopping African nations trading amongst themselves ?
The answer, they are too busy fighting amongst themselves. Frequently for the wealth created by the despised Colonialists. Cant blame whitey for that !!


Trading agricultural products for agricultural products is a little futile when the costs are pretty evenly matched. African farmers can compete with western farmers but western countries refuse to let them while insisting on a free market for African minerals such as copper and oil and refusing to allow raw materials to be processed in Africa. This amounts to western exploitation and neo-colonialism. Simply saying Africa is a basket case and is full of corruption is simply to ease ones western conscience and not look at the causes of this basket case. ie THE WEST!



mnottertail -> RE: Castro Mobilizing Miltary Against Potential US Invasion (8/20/2006 5:35:16 AM)

We need to get in there and clean that country up, they have alot of old vintage cars running in that country.  I want to call dibs on a '55 chevy.

America has vital interests there.

Ron  



Level -> RE: Castro Mobilizing Miltary Against Potential US Invasion (8/20/2006 5:37:17 AM)

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ORIGINAL: meatcleaver

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ORIGINAL: seeksfemslave

Just veering over to Africa. Dewy eyed Liberals claim that all that is required is Fair Trade . I ask them, what is stopping African nations trading amongst themselves ?
The answer, they are too busy fighting amongst themselves. Frequently for the wealth created by the despised Colonialists. Cant blame whitey for that !!


Trading agricultural products for agricultural products is a little futile when the costs are pretty evenly matched. African farmers can compete with western farmers but western countries refuse to let them while insisting on a free market for African minerals such as copper and oil and refusing to allow raw materials to be processed in Africa. This amounts to western exploitation and neo-colonialism. Simply saying Africa is a basket case and is full of corruption is simply to ease ones western conscience and not look at the causes of this basket case. ie THE WEST!


No, it's not just "the west". As has been stated, billions have been sent to Africa and most of it has been wasted or pocketed. Everybody has a hand in it.



meatcleaver -> RE: Castro Mobilizing Miltary Against Potential US Invasion (8/20/2006 5:52:54 AM)

Aid is full of corruption, much of which has to be spent on products and services from donar countries and western companies (with a nod and a wink from their governments) have been more than happy to bribe corrupt African elites. Free and fair trade would circumvent much corruption and allow poorer Africans into markets. The west has espoused free trade for decades as long as the west benefits, it is time the west's evangelical free trade ideology should be allowed to work for the poor.



rabiddogg -> RE: Castro Mobilizing Miltary Against Potential US Invasion (8/20/2006 6:03:36 AM)

You are missing something.

All of the countries in Africa that have object poverty, devestation and starvation all fall in to two categories:

1.  They are Communist or Socialist "utopias" such as Ethiopia.
2.  They are lead by Muslim Fascist extremists such as Chad

Either way it is proof positive that Leftism does not work.



Daddy4UdderSlut -> RE: Castro Mobilizing Miltary Against Potential US Invasion (8/20/2006 6:05:28 AM)

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ORIGINAL: seeksfemslave
Just veering over to Africa. Dewy eyed Liberals claim that all that is required is Fair Trade . I ask them, what is stopping African nations trading amongst themselves ?
The answer, they are too busy fighting amongst themselves. Frequently for the wealth created by the despised Colonialists. Cant blame whitey for that !!

Newsflash - Africa is not wealthy.  Here is a world map, colored by per-capita GDP.  The African continent is clearly the basement:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/e/ea/GDP_nominal_per_capita_world_map_IMF_figures_for_year_2005.png/800px-GDP_nominal_per_capita_world_map_IMF_figures_for_year_2005.png

So let's see, why can't The Congo get rich by trading farm products with Ethiopia as you purport?   Ohhh, I don't know, maybe because between the two of them they don't have two nickles to rub together?  Again, see map.

Africa has no significant industrial or technology development to speak of.  It's unrealistic to think of them getting started on the road to prosperity by competing with Glaxo Smith-Kline or Intel.  What they do have is land and dirt cheap labor.  They could easily compete on fair world markets with their agricultural products.  This would start to bring the money into the country... and if you have farmers who can afford a decent life, they can buy other goods, aiding merchants, textiles, etc.  Agricultural exports into a fair market would prime the economic pump.

Western governments, where the money lies, and where prices for agricultural products are high, have protectionist policies in place to limit the amount and appeal of agricultural products - there is no free market for agricultural products into the west.  These policies, while not directed for the goal of hurting Africa, absolutely keep it from going anywhere.  Agriculture is the only way to get started for them.



mnottertail -> RE: Castro Mobilizing Miltary Against Potential US Invasion (8/20/2006 6:10:10 AM)

Exceptions do not prove the case.  Saudia Arabia, Libya.........

What is left about the rest of these countries?  The stronger always overpower the weaker.  Nothing left about that. 

It is probably more the case that there is not enough coalition amongst the leftists to rise up and strike down these conservative regiemes.

Muslim fundamentalists are pasting posters up all over Africa, in glee at the thought that they are veiwed as leftist.

C'mon man........

Ron



seeksfemslave -> RE: Castro Mobilizing Miltary Against Potential US Invasion (8/20/2006 6:45:02 AM)

I see Daddy is up to his usual tricks of arguing things totally the wrong way round. Will address lack of wealth later.
Time may stop this being posted.

When the Belgians left the Congo it was quite a rich well developed country though I agree the Belgians took the Lions share of that wealth. Why not they created it.

On independance what happened.......what I said in an earlier post, they started to fight one another.
Same in Nigeria, Uganda, Rwanda , not sure whether Rwanda was ever a colony, French maybe ?, but the tribal hatreds are present there. So you see Dewey Eyed Liberals, there is a major problem that is NOT of the west's making.

Maybe we need another new subject, who is responsible for the, I nearly said flea pit ,  conditions that exist in  modern Africa.



seeksfemslave -> RE: Castro Mobilizing Miltary Against Potential US Invasion (8/20/2006 7:04:18 AM)

Dewey Eyed Liberals (dels) appear to  think that lack of financial resources is the problem in Africa It is not the root cause.. Money as I expect you know is a token , it has no intrinsic value other than as a medium of exchange. In fact in advanced western societies most money is an entry on a financial institutions ledger.

What was required in Africa on independance was trade IN Africa ,yes of agricultural products if needs be, so that at some time later stable currencies could be issued and the infrastructure, roads buildings etc could be built. Political stability was absolutley essential. Had that have happened Western financial institutions would fall over the selves to lend money to responsible African governments. Hence development would have inexorably occurred, assuming of course that the skill levels could be developed. A BIG assumption in my opinion.

What actually happened was that tribal hatreds rose to the surface,  those regimes that could skimmed off the wealth from mineral extraction, trousered large chunks for themselves, used the rest to support repressive state apparatus designed to maintain the priveliges of the ruling classes.Those that couldn't skimme off the wealth to buy arms just used machetes to maintain control

Then of course along come the dels and blame the West for exploiting Africa.



mnottertail -> RE: Castro Mobilizing Miltary Against Potential US Invasion (8/20/2006 7:15:59 AM)

Dewey was extremely conservative... since this is veering away from content. Don't know about his eyes. 


uMMMMMMMMMM...... western banks and governments are heavily invested in Africa, and even today throw good money after bad. 

There is no impetus to change status quo.....why not keep em barefoot and pregnant down there?  It is apparently in our vital interest to do so.

We hands off people like Mengistu and so on, because we don't want to interfere in internal politics, that is the stated policy.......(then why saddam?) .   Our vital interest is served by not fucking with them, unless they have something we need, like oil.  We ain't the fuckin' red cross out here, there is no idealistic policy ala benificent oversight and assistance. 


Ron 



popeye1250 -> RE: Castro Mobilizing Miltary Against Potential US Invasion (8/20/2006 2:01:44 PM)

The promblem with the "dewey eyed liberals" like "BONO" is that even if Western Big Corporations (did) exploit African countries (You mean they didn't PAY them for their oil?)
their solution is to use Taxpayer Dollars to use as a charity.
The European countries have much more of a history in Africa than the U.S. ever did.
England, Holland, Portugal, Spain, Denmark etc.
I wouldn't open up a Lincoln-Mercury Dealership in Port O Prince, Haiti either.
ANY money (U.S. Taxpayer Dollars) that goes to Africa is *ALWAYS* stolen.
When the Treasury Secretary Paul.......I can't remember his last name, and "BONO" went on a tour of Africa a few years ago he asked "where are all the fresh water wells we payed for?"
"They only cost $2,100 each and village after village doesn't HAVE any!"
I wonder where THAT money went?
This is one of the reasons I am against any "foreign aid". It's just not our government's job description to be giving our money to foreign countries.
What ends up happenning is that U.S. TAXPAYERS end up bailing out Big Banks that made "bad loans" to foreign countries!
Even after all of "BONO'S" "Debt Cancellation" those Big Banks are *right now* making more "bad loans" to these same countries that couldn't pay them back before!!!
It makes me wonder how much stock "BONO" has in Bank of America and other financial institutions.
And I'd be wondering what percentage of  Mercedes Benz's and Gulfstream's sales come from "foreign aid" money.
Once again; Lions 1  Christians 0



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