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Termyn8or -> RE: Booze and Christianity (8/2/2006 11:37:49 PM)
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I remember hearing that Martin Luther actually died a good Catholic. He questioned, he did not disobey. the fact that he complied was becuse of what he thought was right.
I see Cristianity that way. Most of the Christians I know are good people. Some of them were not always good people though. I see redemption misused. I will not accept it, but then who am I hurting ?
OK, I have this opinion as to the subject of Christ and alcohol. Christ is reported to actually drink and have a good time. Why shouldn't He ? Thing is, we come to a snag when it comes to turning water into wine.
I think the transformation came from the minds of the "drinkers". I think He convinced them it was wine and they started acting drunk, and actually felt drunk. I derive this from several real life observations. Ever drink or get high ? Ever notice how sometimes it hits you like a ton of bricks but then other times you can knock them down all night ?
Let's face it, there is no need to change the formaula of the water. A Man as charismatic and compelling as Christ, and one you believed to be your Saviour in the afterlife would be heeded. If He said the water is wine, godammit it's wine. Come on, maybe it's been dry and you found water, who knows. He could have people in the crowd "Wow, a nice tart white", the next "no, it's a sweet red", and the next "Wow, this is the sweet cherry wine they're going to write a song about in 2,058 years".
Of course I am not saying this is true, but it is posssible. Many things are possible, including a translation that was JUDGED by man to be incorrect, that psilosibin (sp) was involved. Magic mushrooms. That translator was fired promptly without review.
Also, what about when He cleared the Temple of the moneychangers ? Let's give that a moments thought, just how many people did He throw out of the place ? There were enough Pharises there to take him, or were there ? Or did they all back down ?
I do enjoy reading about Christ's life. Especially the less well known things. This theory about Mary Magdoline, I don't care. You think a fine young strapping carpenter like that isn't going to have some sex somewhere along the line ?
No matter how you view Christ, when he was human, why would he be anything other than human ? Drink some wine, eat some shrooms and say somehing profound. Keep doing it. I am not saying He was not divine even if he was a junkie alcoholic, these standards do not apply. We can't apply our standards.
Booze is as it always was. I think it is good. It allows people to get less inhibited, and I don't even mean sexually. Sometimes confidences are made and friendships strengthen. Then some times marriages, whether they are made in heaven or hell is up to each consumer.
The problem comes with the excessive use of,,,,,,,,,,,anything.
Actually wine has been shown to have beneficial nutrients now. Go figure.
T
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